Trust Statement

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Why do we need to re register McGuiness when he is already registered as one of our players who is out on loan and he can be recalled under the loan agreement terms, thereby becoming our player again. More scaremongering ?

It sounds stupid doesn't it. The only thing I can think of is that he's on the EFL squad list as a Sheff Wed registered player rather than registered to us, so bringing him back would mean re-registering him to us with the EFL?

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/september/efl-squad-list-season-202223/

It looks like that would be allowed under the EFL embargo rules but not FIFA's.
What happens if he stays with them until the summer and the embargo is still in place though? His loan deal will have expired so he can't play for them, but we can't re-register him so he can't play for us either?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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It sounds stupid doesn't it. The only thing I can think of is that he's on the EFL squad list as a Sheff Wed registered player rather than registered to us, so bringing him back would mean re-registering him to us with the EFL?

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/september/efl-squad-list-season-202223/

It looks like that would be allowed under the EFL embargo rules but not FIFA's.
What happens if he stays with them until the summer and the embargo is still in place though? His loan deal will have expired so he can't play for them, but we can't re-register him so he can't play for us either?

Chelsea could sign Kovacic because he was registered to them, not Real Madrid. It isn't a transfer ban as such, we can still sign players, we can't register them to play. McGuinness will be registered to Wednesday, so we are stuffed.

[blue lewj]

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Just another example of the knowledge at the club.

Loaning out a player we would not be able to re-register with us while knowing we had no intention of paying the Sala money.

Lovely bit of running of a football club again. Hats off to them.

[jon1959]

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It sounds stupid doesn't it. The only thing I can think of is that he's on the EFL squad list as a Sheff Wed registered player rather than registered to us, so bringing him back would mean re-registering him to us with the EFL?

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/september/efl-squad-list-season-202223/

It looks like that would be allowed under the EFL embargo rules but not FIFA's.
What happens if he stays with them until the summer and the embargo is still in place though? His loan deal will have expired so he can't play for them, but we can't re-register him so he can't play for us either?

McGuinness is only a Wednesday player for the season (with a recall option that we apparently can't trigger under the embargo!) and after that surely he reverts to being a Cardiff player once the loan expires.

Eli King was loaned to Crewe until this month and now the loan has expired he is back at Cardiff and is our player.

But the communication about this whole situation has been rubbish. It is confusing because of the FIFA-EFL rules, but no-one has made any attempt to explain it. Hudson seems as confused as anyone. Dalman and Choo are silent. We are left with brief 'third party' notes from the Trust, doing their best to summarise the headlines from a fan reps meeting. The Trust and the supporters clubs should be supplementing information from the club, not substituting for the club because the club is treating the fans with contempt!

[blue lewj]

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McGuinness is only a Wednesday player for the season (with a recall option that we apparently can't trigger under the embargo!) and after that surely he reverts to being a Cardiff player once the loan expires.

Eli King was loaned to Crewe until this month and now the loan has expired he is back at Cardiff and is our player.

But the communication about this whole situation has been rubbish. It is confusing because of the FIFA-EFL rules, but no-one has made any attempt to explain it. Hudson seems as confused as anyone. Dalman and Choo are silent. We are left with brief 'third party' notes from the Trust, doing their best to summarise the headlines from a fan reps meeting. The Trust and the supporters clubs should be supplementing information from the club, not substituting for the club because the club is treating the fans with contempt!

The communication is ridiculously bad but the club seem to be fine with it being that way.

Season tickets will be on sale soon. They won't have any issues with communicating that information.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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The communication is ridiculously bad but the club seem to be fine with it being that way.

Season tickets will be on sale soon. They won't have any issues with communicating that information.

Doesn’t help that people “in the know” are making shit up

[blue lewj]

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Doesn’t help that people “in the know” are making shit up

That's the beauty of communication though isn't it.

If you communicate it doesn't leave room for people to do that. Radio silence from the club actively helps people that want to make things up.

As others have said prior to this, the man who had his Twitter post put on here isn't the sort to make things up. Someone has a crossed wire somewhere though, evidently.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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I may be wrong, but isn't the club faced with a one-off, 1st time ever situation ? I'm not so sure many other clubs would be fully up to speed with the minutia of the whole sage.

[OurManFlint II]

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Kieran Maguire (The Price of Football) was on the Second Tier Podcast this weekend, they talked Cardiff. He said he had no inside knowledge but Cardiff's appeal to whomever seemed pretty fruitless. Interestingly, he said Cardiff were looking to sue somebody for 100mm of lost revenue as Sala goals would have kept them up. Sounded like he was struggling to keep a straight face as he was completely unsure who they were suing :hehe:

He said that mediation between Nantes and Cardiff, for a realistic deal was probably the best route to resolution, but unlikely now!

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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That's the beauty of communication though isn't it.

If you communicate it doesn't leave room for people to do that. Radio silence from the club actively helps people that want to make things up.

As others have said prior to this, the man who had his Twitter post put on here isn't the sort to make things up. Someone has a crossed wire somewhere though, evidently.

Things have been communicated via the trust. We ain’t paying. They’ve said we ain't paying countless times. They’re usually clear as mud but they’ve been concrete on this. Yesterdays lie was not helpful to anyone

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The Trust are doing their best to provide fans with information

If people are prepared to put alleged facts or blatant nonsense on line its not the fault of the trust

The absolute mess we are seeing behind the scenes of Cardiff City are not the fault of the trust and the very reason why as many fans as possible should join because if you are not happy with the way the trust deals with the club ......vote em out and put yourself up for election

[Canton Kev]

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The other site seem to think we're paying up on Wednesday. All apparently said by a 100% right, fully in the loop, never ever wrong, ITKer.

Either the club lied to the Trust yesterday or someone's been telling porkies on the internet :sherlock:

Be interesting to read that thread on Thursday, if it's not been deleted that is.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Things have been communicated via the trust. We ain’t paying. They’ve said we ain't paying countless times. They’re usually clear as mud but they’ve been concrete on this. Yesterdays lie was not helpful to anyone

I don't understand why they are not prepared to pay and get on with it

It seems the internet whisper sucked quite a few of us in

It was looking good

[J R Hartley]

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The Trust are about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The Trust are about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

They had a meeting with the club together with the supporters club

Yesterday on the internet it was said that the club was going to pay the sala bill on Wednesday

Understandably people were relieved

The trust later said that this was not evident in the meeting so it was clear that at present that claim was incorrect

And this was confirmed by the trust

What fault is this of the trust ?