Manager rumours..

[Elwood Blues]

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Romeo has been good this season, Kipre is better than bottom of the Championship level, Rinomhota has been playing well lately and has played all of his career in the Championship and Philogene definitely has ability which has hinted at being a match winner at this level - for example at Sunderland.

So much of football is played in the head and it seems to me that our confidence levels have fallen off a cliff since the Blackpool match.

As I mentioned in another thread Sawyers played almost every game for Walsall,Brentford and West Brom between 2013 and 2019. Dean Smith praised his attitude and work rate' at Walsall then took him to Brentford and Thomas Frank made him captain at Brentford. He is still only 31 so perhaps the right manager can get more out of him.

[bigjoe]

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The betting odds have Warnock 1-2 and we know hes not coming. Ismael is now 4-1. .

Maybe the odds are actually how the board makes its decision

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Romeo has been good this season, Kipre is better than bottom of the Championship level, Rinomhota has been playing well lately and has played all of his career in the Championship and Philogene definitely has ability which has hinted at being a match winner at this level - for example at Sunderland.

So much of football is played in the head and it seems to me that our confidence levels have fallen off a cliff since the Blackpool match.

While some of that is true, when people list our players that are good enough at this level they usually end on about number 8 or 9. Another issue is, we include Philogene and Kipre who aren’t our players! At least it looks like we might be out of the FIFA embargo? Perhaps. God the club is terrible at communication.

I don’t think our players have ever believed they are capable of scoring goals, or implementing the style of play that Morison asked for. I think they’ve been bereft of confidence for a lot longer than the Blackpool game. I think deep down, they know they can’t really score many goals the way we are planning and once one goal goes in, it often sucks the life out of us. Hopefully we appoint the right manager that can come in, shake things up and pick the squad up

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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As I mentioned in another thread Sawyers played almost every game for Walsall,Brentford and West Brom between 2013 and 2019. Dean Smith praised his attitude and work rate' at Walsall then took him to Brentford and Thomas Frank made him captain at Brentford. He is still only 31 so perhaps the right manager can get more out of him.

His legs have gone. WBA fans have said so, Stoke fans have said so, now our fans are saying so. I’d be amazed if we see a resurgence in his form as he can’t cover the ground

[City123]

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Romeo has been good this season, Kipre is better than bottom of the Championship level, Rinomhota has been playing well lately and has played all of his career in the Championship and Philogene definitely has ability which has hinted at being a match winner at this level - for example at Sunderland.

So much of football is played in the head and it seems to me that our confidence levels have fallen off a cliff since the Blackpool match.

The point was that we're underachieving, much like the side Warnock took over, I just don't agree. Looking at our players I can't see many that I'd say are genuinely underperforming, most of them are playing to the level they've always played and those who have played at a higher level (Ralls and Sawyers mainly) are declining.

[the other bob wilson]

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While some of that is true, when people list our players that are good enough at this level they usually end on about number 8 or 9. Another issue is, we include Philogene and Kipre who aren’t our players! At least it looks like we might be out of the FIFA embargo? Perhaps. God the club is terrible at communication.

I don’t think our players have ever believed they are capable of scoring goals, or implementing the style of play that Morison asked for. I think they’ve been bereft of confidence for a lot longer than the Blackpool game. I think deep down, they know they can’t really score many goals the way we are planning and once one goal goes in, it often sucks the life out of us. Hopefully we appoint the right manager that can come in, shake things up and pick the squad up

Forest were promoted with a teamful of loan players last season and I was expecting us to have a lot more of them this season - I don’t think whether a player is on loan or not makes any difference when you’re comparing our squad with others because I’m guessing each of the other twenty three teams have at least one loan player (can’t think of one for the jacks mind).

I think I’ve tended to be more upbeat about our team than most supporters -I never considered us as a relegation team before the break for the World Cup and I thought we played well at Stoke in the first game back. We also played well up to a point against Blackpool the following week, but at the final whistle I found myself thinking that if we can’t win a game after dominating it as much as that, we’re in trouble.

I can well imagine the players coming off the pitch thinking something similar and I feel performances have got a lot worse since then. We’ve looked like a relegation side in our last four league games and while we had some shockers in the previous twenty three, there was usually something in the next game or two to restore some faith - there’s been nothing in the last four though.

[Hilts]

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What worries me is it seems we are not close to appointing anyone and we desperately need players. Are clubs going to want to loan to a club with no manager and no idea what style we will play and how we will use their player.

Talented youngsters from PL clubs I just cant see us getting at the moment.

Its all well and good taking time but meanwhile the window will be closing.

[WJ99mobile]

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Maybe the odds are actually how the board makes its decision

If only we could put £5m on the 4/1 shot

[2b2bdoo]

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Zohore played very little prior to Warnock's arrival in 2016, he started maybe 3 league games in a year? The one I remember missing open goals and being a laughing stock was Gounongbe

What suggests this side are under achieving? Of our signings very few have shown themselves to be good at this level, on both occasions he's been a regular at this level Alsopp was relegated, Romeo was in mid-table League 1 last season, Kipre as a Championship regular has always been toward the bottom, O'Dowda's best Championship season was 4 goals, Sawyers is on the decline, Ojo is worse than he was when he came on loan. Robinson is a proper player at this level and it's a shame Collins was injured as he looked good, but those two aside I don't see much from the summer transfers that I'd be considering them to be under achieving, in fact I'd say O'Dowda is playing the best he has for some time. The nature of our summer means there's no past form with this squad to point to as evidence that they're under achieving, I'd say they're probably doing about what most expected

We certainly have plenty of players, but we don't have enough good ones. I'd say I'm usually fairly optimistic about City, but I don't really see this squad pushing much further up the table. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it

I dont think the players have played that badly individually. But tactically we are way way way off it, a new manager can bring new confidence and surprisingly some tactics (we hope). Alllsop was relegated you’re right but I certainly don’t think he’s been a bad signing, from memory we signed Marshall (and I think Hudson) after they were relegated from the championship.

Romeo is a more than capable right back at this level.

I think you’re underestimating how important having a manager with some tactics actually is. If we went down I don’t think we would struggle to move on a lot of these players.

I don’t think it matters either that Kipre and Philogene are loans, we have them for the season, they are our players for the issues ahead this season. Come the summer more loans and more players will become available to replace them.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Forest were promoted with a teamful of loan players last season and I was expecting us to have a lot more of them this season - I don’t think whether a player is on loan or not makes any difference when you’re comparing our squad with others because I’m guessing each of the other twenty three teams have at least one loan player (can’t think of one for the jacks mind).

I think I’ve tended to be more upbeat about our team than most supporters -I never considered us as a relegation team before the break for the World Cup and I thought we played well at Stoke in the first game back. We also played well up to a point against Blackpool the following week, but at the final whistle I found myself thinking that if we can’t win a game after dominating it as much as that, we’re in trouble.

I can well imagine the players coming off the pitch thinking something similar and I feel performances have got a lot worse since then. We’ve looked like a relegation side in our last four league games and while we had some shockers in the previous twenty three, there was usually something in the next game or two to restore some faith - there’s been nothing in the last four though.

More to say, while Kipre is and JPB probably is, we might not be able replace them in the summer. I think we’ve looked like a relegation side for months. We didn’t score in 5 of Morison’s last 7 games, and one of them was a 20 yarder in the dying minutes and we still lost. We haven’t been able to score all season, Hudson certainly hasn’t managed to fix the problem, and teams that can’t score are always in big trouble.

The PNE game at home was a prime example. We completely dominated the game and yet, did bugger all really. We had 2 shots on target out of 22. We have to play really, really well to win and that’s a problem. We definitely could have lost that game as well. Same as Blackpool, we completely dominated and you could say we were lucky to get a point by the end.

I think with a good manager we might be OK but there is fundamental issues that they will need to be addressed. It doesn’t look a happy camp.

Oh well, I’m still dumb enough to freeze myself half to death at Elland Road tonight. Cmon City

[the other bob wilson]

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More to say, while Kipre is and JPB probably is, we might not be able replace them in the summer. I think we’ve looked like a relegation side for months. We didn’t score in 5 of Morison’s last 7 games, and one of them was a 20 yarder in the dying minutes and we still lost. We haven’t been able to score all season, Hudson certainly hasn’t managed to fix the problem, and teams that can’t score are always in big trouble.

The PNE game at home was a prime example. We completely dominated the game and yet, did bugger all really. We had 2 shots on target out of 22. We have to play really, really well to win and that’s a problem. We definitely could have lost that game as well. Same as Blackpool, we completely dominated and you could say we were lucky to get a point by the end.

I think with a good manager we might be OK but there is fundamental issues that they will need to be addressed. It doesn’t look a happy camp.

Oh well, I’m still dumb enough to freeze myself half to death at Elland Road tonight. Cmon City

I can’t argue with what you say about our lack of goals- only being able to win 1-0 at home is a habit we have to get out of pretty quick.

Enjoy the game - you never know :ayatollah:

[City123]

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I dont think the players have played that badly individually. But tactically we are way way way off it, a new manager can bring new confidence and surprisingly some tactics (we hope). Alllsop was relegated you’re right but I certainly don’t think he’s been a bad signing, from memory we signed Marshall (and I think Hudson) after they were relegated from the championship.

Romeo is a more than capable right back at this level.

I think you’re underestimating how important having a manager with some tactics actually is. If we went down I don’t think we would struggle to move on a lot of these players.

I don’t think it matters either that Kipre and Philogene are loans, we have them for the season, they are our players for the issues ahead this season. Come the summer more loans and more players will become available to replace them.

Statistically Allsop has been one of the worst keepers in the league this season: https://twitter.com/louorns/status/1...61iSJQVp1u_jSA

You're right we signed Marshall and Hudson after they went down, but they were proven players as opposed to Alsopp who's gone down both times he's been a regular. Hudson had over 100 Championship appearances and Marshall was a full Scottish international who'd played in the Champions League.

I've been pleasantly surprised by some of Romeo's performances, but I do think a lot of people are letting the players off the hook. We're 21st in the league because of more than just the managers.

Do you think we could sell many of them if we went down? The fact that most of these were free transfers would suggest there wouldn't be many looking to pay a fee for them. A lot of them are on 3 year deals.

Obviously managers are important, but if you don't have the players there's not much you can do, you'll more than likely get found out over a 46 game league season unless you have a real top manager.

[Cardiff Ultra]

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As I mentioned in another thread Sawyers played almost every game for Walsall,Brentford and West Brom between 2013 and 2019. Dean Smith praised his attitude and work rate' at Walsall then took him to Brentford and Thomas Frank made him captain at Brentford. He is still only 31 so perhaps the right manager can get more out of him.

Spot on. For all the rubbishing of our squad, we have a lot of players who are performing well below levels that theyve previously attained (and we're not talking about past-their-sell-by-date veterans here). A decent manager will get this lot into mid table.

[2b2bdoo]

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Statistically Allsop has been one of the worst keepers in the league this season: https://twitter.com/louorns/status/1...61iSJQVp1u_jSA

You're right we signed Marshall and Hudson after they went down, but they were proven players as opposed to Alsopp who's gone down both times he's been a regular. Hudson had over 100 Championship appearances and Marshall was a full Scottish international who'd played in the Champions League.

I've been pleasantly surprised by some of Romeo's performances, but I do think a lot of people are letting the players off the hook. We're 21st in the league because of more than just the managers.

Do you think we could sell many of them if we went down? The fact that most of these were free transfers would suggest there wouldn't be many looking to pay a fee for them. A lot of them are on 3 year deals.

Obviously managers are important, but if you don't have the players there's not much you can do, you'll more than likely get found out over a 46 game league season unless you have a real top manager.

Stats are stats, some people like Allsop some don’t, personally think he’s been a good signing in a hard position.

I think our position is mostly down the the manager so we will have to agree to disagree.

I don’t think we would have much problem moving most of them on, depends what we are paying them. Not sure we would get huge fees for any but I think most could get moves and play at this level comfortably.

[LeningradCowboy]

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Spot on. For all the rubbishing of our squad, we have a lot of players who are performing well below levels that theyve previously attained (and we're not talking about past-their-sell-by-date veterans here). A decent manager will get this lot into mid table.

Which players in our squad are those? I can't think of many.