Playing the right way?

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Re: Playing the right way?

Yes, this all day. This is what i was alluding to. The other point i was trying to make is that are these coaches just a bit thick? They look the part, love clip boards and white daps, have invented a new 'Football' language that they seem to think makes them sound articulate and thoughtful, calm and collected, when the reality is that it's straight out of the David Brent school of management.

I'm with you on this and it happens at all levels of the game.

Stick a tight tracksuit on someone who's just passed his online football leaders course and thinks he's Pep.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Playing the right way?

Yes, this all day. This is what i was alluding to. The other point i was trying to make is that are these coaches just a bit thick? They look the part, love clip boards and white daps, have invented a new 'Football' language that they seem to think makes them sound articulate and thoughtful, calm and collected, when the reality is that it's straight out of the David Brent school of management.

Heard my first “in the building” from Whitehead yesterday.

[Tuerto]

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Heard my first “in the building” from Whitehead yesterday.

Jesus! It makes you want to jump into a burning building.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Ideally your team would be able to build from the back and go direct. Keeps the opposition guessing then.

[Tuerto]

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I'm with you on this and it happens at all levels of the game.

Stick a tight tracksuit on someone who's just passed his online football leaders course and thinks he's Pep.

I walk my dogs over Heath Park, every evening. During the spring and summer there's the coaching dads who take the local kids, good on them, it's a commitment, i know, i've done it. I sometimes try and listen in on the way these blokes instruct these kids, and it's like....**** me.... it's straight from the manual, the kids haven't got a clue, they're trying to get them to pass and move when most of them don't even have a touch yet.

[The Lone Gunman]

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I for one would advocate a return to route one, if it kept us up. Needs must.

I don't think this thread was intended to be about Cardiff City - it was about football in general. However, you can advocate a return to route one football as much as you like but it won't make any difference. This team, even with a couple of sturdy additions, wouldn't be remotely capable of playing route one tactics. Thankfully, City just don't have the players for it.

As plenty of others have said, what this side is crying out for is a couple of players who can be a bit more decisive in the final third. It's no more complicated than that. Such players wouldn't suddenly make the team into some sort of a force at this level, not by any means. Let's face it, this a below-average squad by Championship standards. However, I think they would probably be enough to keep the club up if the rest of the side gained a bit more confidence in and around the box due to the presence of the right kind of additions.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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The best teams at this level (and any other level for that matter) manage to find a balance between a possession-based game and doing the basics when necessary, but it seems that some coaches these days are so hell-bent on their players retaining possession that the basics get neglected. Not only does that mean their teams tend to look worse than they probably are, but the football they produce is often sterile as a result of the coach's 'philosophy'.

Bingo. Loads of teams at this level just pass the ball pretty aimlessly around the midfield waiting for a chance to magically open up. There's not much thought as to how it will happen but you can't give the ball away. Unless you're dragging defenders out of shape with your passing and movement, it is quite easy to defend against, especially if you've played 10/15 passes before you pass the ball to an attacking player which just allows the other team to get set.

[LeningradCowboy]

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I don't think this thread was intended to be about Cardiff City - it was about football in general. However, you can advocate a return to route one football as much as you like but it won't make any difference. This team, even with a couple of sturdy additions, wouldn't be remotely capable of playing route one tactics. Thankfully, City just don't have the players for it.

As plenty of others have said, what this side is crying out for is a couple of players who can be a bit more decisive in the final third. It's no more complicated than that. Such players wouldn't suddenly make the team into some sort of a force at this level, not by any means. Let's face it, this a below-average squad by Championship standards. However, I think they would probably be enough to keep the club up if the rest of the side gained a bit more confidence in and around the box due to the presence of the right kind of additions.

I think "below-average" is being kind. It's clearly one of the worst five or six squads in the Championship.

[LeningradCowboy]

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Yes, this all day. This is what i was alluding to. The other point i was trying to make is that are these coaches just a bit thick? They look the part, love clip boards and white daps, have invented a new 'Football' language that they seem to think makes them sound articulate and thoughtful, calm and collected, when the reality is that it's straight out of the David Brent school of management.

Lots of supporters buy into it as well. There are plenty of people on here who think that Morison just needed to be given more time.

[LeningradCowboy]

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Playing Perry Ng at centre-back in a back four because it helps us play out from defence is a good example of this type of nonsense thinking. He got exposed defending high balls when playing as one of three centre-backs last season, but Morison and Hudson didn't care.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We should never have moved on the warriors in the team

[John Buchanan]

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We should never have moved on the warriors in the team

Perhaps younger "modern " managers in tight fitting track suits get a bit intimidated by the warrior types.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Perhaps younger "modern " managers in tight fitting track suits get a bit intimidated by the warrior types.

Those who know what's best for us
Will rise up and save us from ourselves

[blue matt]

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I walk my dogs over Heath Park, every evening. During the spring and summer there's the coaching dads who take the local kids, good on them, it's a commitment, i know, i've done it. I sometimes try and listen in on the way these blokes instruct these kids, and it's like....**** me.... it's straight from the manual, the kids haven't got a clue, they're trying to get them to pass and move when most of them don't even have a touch yet.

speaking from a grassroots football coach point of view, its a strange gig, get the basics right but start in the right way, get it right straight from the start

unlike when I started, which was 4 ( and a 1/2 ) years ago, the girls team had just finished the 1st season, they were playing up a year ( to accommodate the coaches daughter ) and had never played before ( so playing against girls that were 1 year old and had played upto 3 years football ), they were getting beaten with ease, myself and another dad ( ex semi-pro at Bristol Rovers ) took over at the right age group ( as the old coaches daughter quit )

A few were tidy footballers, some had never kicked the ball before, we had a very good keeper ( still the best in the league ) and we were be happy for her to send the ball long and attack with our quickest players ( 1 who had just joined us after playing for a boys team for 3 years ), we had a very good Defence and a very strong centre Mid, we hide our poorer players on the wing, it worked well and we were a very tough team to beat

as time moved on, we moved onto pass and move, had a season of struggling a little with the transition between the long ball and playing the right way :hehe:, now we can get the ball from GK to attack with nice little passes and it looks great, we are now back to being hard to beat and it looks bloody great , its been hard work at times, we train twice per week ( which goes against the norm of only once per week, and our club struggles with that at times, but we give up our time, so its on us, they shouldn't moan )

thinking back, it worked well for us, we have 6 of our original 10 players still playing, we worked out last week, we have have 15 girls come and join us and then leave, some stayed for a season, some for a few months, our squad is now 16 players ( 6 original players ) so we have had 31 girls try football, research tells us that its difficult to keep girls between the age of 13 - 16 in sports ( any sports ) so we aint doing too bad

[the other bob wilson]

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Lots of supporters buy into it as well. There are plenty of people on here who think that Morison just needed to be given more time.

And you can prove them wrong?