Darts

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Gerwyn Price has apparently won approximately £1.2 million in prize money during the last two years.

The prize money collected by Michael Smith for winning the recent World Championship was £500,000.

I was listening to Paul Nicholson talking about this. The prize money they get and they actually have to spend is very different, once tax and agents fees are taken into account. Apparently agents fees are somewhere in the region of 20%.

[Des Parrot]

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I was listening to Paul Nicholson talking about this. The prize money they get and they actually have to spend is very different, once tax and agents fees are taken into account. Apparently agents fees are somewhere in the region of 20%.

Outside of the seeds/tour card holders they have to pay their own expenses as well. Basically anyone outside of the top 60 is making little or no money

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Outside of the seeds/tour card holders they have to pay their own expenses as well. Basically anyone outside of the top 60 is making little or no money

I've heard of players who are struggling in the rankings going into Players' Championship events needing to do well to pay the mortgage. That's pressure, needing to win games just to keep a roof over your head.

[ToTaL ITK]

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Darts isn't a sport ffs.
Eating a load of food fast isn't a sport.
Juggling isn't a sport

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Darts isn't a sport ffs.
Eating a load of food fast isn't a sport.
Juggling isn't a sport

I don't think it's a sport

What physical conditioning like strength , power , speed and flexibility do these players have ?

It's a pub pastime turned into great TV

And it is great tv

And like snooker it's highly skilled

It's like fishing

But it's not a sport , surely not ?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I don't think it's a sport

What physical conditioning like strength , power , speed and flexibility do these players have ?

It's a pub pastime turned into great TV

And it is great tv

And like snooker it's highly skilled

It's like fishing

But it's not a sport , surely not ?

What about stuff like weightlifting? No skill involved at all, just pure strength.

Before you can debate what constitutes a sport you need to define what a sport is. The Oxford dictionary suggests "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or a team competes against another or others for entertainment". Darts requires a small amount of physical exertion, no less than a weightlifter requires a small amount of skill. I'd argue darts is more entertaining than weightlifting.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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What about stuff like weightlifting? No skill involved at all, just pure strength.

Before you can debate what constitutes a sport you need to define what a sport is. The Oxford dictionary suggests "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or a team competes against another or others for entertainment". Darts requires a small amount of physical exertion, no less than a weightlifter requires a small amount of skill. I'd argue darts is more entertaining than weightlifting.

Whilst weightlifting is incredibly tedious the people involved have strength , power , flexibility etc

Apart from one or two the vast majority of darts players exhibit little in the way of athletic physiques

In fact some of them are obese

From time to time in football , rugby , athletics , cricket , etc you might see an out of shape competitor but it's very rare

The reason why you see overweight darts players , snooker players and fisherman is because you don't have to be very fit , if at all , to compete

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Whilst weightlifting is incredibly tedious the people involved have strength , power , flexibility etc

Apart from one or two the vast majority of darts players exhibit little in the way of athletic physiques

In fact some of them are obese

From time to time in football , rugby , athletics , cricket , etc you might see an out of shape competitor but it's very rare

The reason why you see overweight darts players , snooker players and fisherman is because you don't have to be very fit , if at all , to compete

I'm talking about the OED definition of a sport. Requires physical exertion and skill.

Weightlifting involves very little skill. Darts involves very little physical exertion. I couldn't give a rat's arse about the physical condition of a competitor as that doesn't matter according to the OED. So, using the OED definition, not Sludge's own opinion, what's the difference?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I'm talking about the OED definition of a sport. Requires physical exertion and skill.

Weightlifting involves very little skill. Darts involves very little physical exertion. I couldn't give a rat's arse about the physical condition of a competitor as that doesn't matter according to the OED. So, using the OED definition, not Sludge's own opinion, what's the difference?

There is plenty of skill involved in using ones muscles to lift a heavy barbell

In fact I would argue that weightlifting involves more skill than darts

So it's double top really

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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There is plenty of skill involved in using ones muscles to lift a heavy barbell

In fact I would argue that weightlifting involves more skill than darts

So it's double top really

Rubbish. It's not skill. It's strength.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Rubbish. It's not skill. It's strength.

You have to engage your muscles and bring some into play and not others if you are weightlifting

Do you think it's just chance or luck or genetics that top runners , footballers , swimmers , squash players , rugby players or cricketers have generally good athletic bodies ?

They need them as they are involved in strenuous athletic activity of power , strength , flexibility etc

There's a reason why Andy Fordham , Barney whatever his name is , Filthy Phil Taylor etc etc have poor physiques

It's because darts is not a sport . Those who love darts ....and snooker or fishing ....and other pastimes and hobbies that have a competitive edge will argue that they are but if they are then so is monopoly , bridge , chess , skittles etc

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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You have to engage your muscles and bring some into play and not others if you are weightlifting

Do you think it's just chance or luck or genetics that top runners , footballers , swimmers , squash players , rugby players or cricketers have generally good athletic bodies ?

They need them as they are involved in strenuous athletic activity of power , strength , flexibility etc

There's a reason why Andy Fordham , Barney whatever his name is , Filthy Phil Taylor etc etc have poor physiques

It's because darts is not a sport . Those who love darts ....and snooker or fishing ....and other pastimes and hobbies that have a competitive edge will argue that they are but if they are then so is monopoly , bridge , chess , skittles etc

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what skill is needed in weightlifting.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I'm still waiting for you to tell me what skill is needed in weightlifting.

I have just told you , engaging different muscle groups through a lift

Traps do some of the work , lats , biceps etc

It's just as skillful as throwing a dart

Some would call both a bit brain dead but I couldn't lift heavy weights even when I was younger and stronger

In terms of darts you watch darts regularly enough to realise these guys are often in poor shape

They wouldn't get away with that to the same extent in football , rugby , swimming , athletics etc

[Organ Morgan.]

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Darts related... 22 years later, though likely new news to some.

Following Taylor's sexual assault conviction he proceeded to win a further seven world titles.

Sky/the media/darts did an excellent job of ignoring/suppressing/underplaying that unsavoury incident. I seem to recall reading Taylor would have a difficult time appearing at Scottish events.

Darts champion Phil Taylor guilty of sex attack on women - https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...tack-on-women/