https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckv7ve8k82noThe
I thought they had lost all the Whats app messages :hehe:
Even if he actually did lose them , does that mean the other recipients lost theirs too :hehe:
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckv7ve8k82noThe
I thought they had lost all the Whats app messages :hehe:
Even if he actually did lose them , does that mean the other recipients lost theirs too :hehe:
Plaid have now pulled out of the co-operation agreement with Welsh Government, Labour Senedd group meeting at 5
Looks like we'll be getting a new First Minister...
Blimey. Big news that is
It's all the talk around Cafe Castan in Pontcanna..Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I think they call it plausible deniability, but it doesn't really matter as 80% of the population don't even know what day of the week it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
It’s hilarious that all these messages are deleted from All the recipients in the group chats and All the senders : all in lockstep :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It's what is known in the business as a coincidence theory!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Why do they look like a pair of Bond villains? :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I definitely won't get excited at what might happen if he steps down but it's always nice to watch Welsh Labour **** things up.
What respect I had for Vaughan Gething pretty much evaporates.
What an absolute load of bullshit. How can anyone in their right mind believe that when you look at the routine abuse and scrutiny that all politicians from Johnson, Drakeford, Corbyn, Sunak, Rayner get.
Pathetic.
FM says political attacks "racially driven"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgg0035dd0o
Yeah it's definitely not because he's acted unethically or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Very disappointing that he has played the race card.
People in England have been thinking that of the tories since dinosaurs walked the earthQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
It's not disappointing to me, I won a bet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Whilst I think he's a dead man walking you have said the FM has said the attacks are racially drivenQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Where's that?
He hasn't said the attacks on him are racially driven has he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
The use of the term playing the race card is very dodgyQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Especially as in this case there are no direct links to vg commenting on the situation which might back up this sort of comment
Yes they have and with good reason. I think even a hardened Labour supporter like you would find it hard to argue that Welsh Labour aren't doing the same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
This is all hearsay of course but a MS is quoted as saying that "Vaughan Gething and his supporters made the case that the attacks against him were racially driven". He/she might have been lying of course. Do you think he/she was?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I am not a hardened labour supporter, I won't vote conservative though
But it is clear you are very anti Labour
Well for once we agree because that I most definitely am.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I think people on here are jumping on what as you say is hearsay and talking about the race cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
Very dodgy
Are you asking if this person anonymously quoted as saying VG and his supporters are using the racial background of VG to suggest that his race is an issue .....is lying ?
I have no idea, if that's the question , people do lie
If he wasn't quoted anonymously then there might be a possibility that quote could be verified
Yes it could be be made up. And the fact that neither Gething nor his supporters have tried to deny it doesn't prove anything either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well that's a surpriseQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
I most definitely am totally anti Conservative and the point I am making on here is that if you speak about the last 25 years being a disaster .....that's open to debate .....then my English friends who have known apart from 13 years of labour a tory government all their lives will say they feel even more frustrated
We could both be right of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's possible to be anti Conservative and not a fully paid up member of the far leftQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
That's where I stand
Without wishing to get into another argument I'd say that covers almost the entire labour party.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Very few people who vote Labour or Liberal or whatever belong to either partyQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
If someone tells me they are active in the labour party then that's not my thing but I tell them I vote either labour or liberal
Where has VG played the race card ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Probably when he said he was the first black leader of a European country. I have a mate who is black who says you can’t call yourself black if you have a white welsh father (like VG has)
I think Gething now refers himself as having black heritage rather than just black .
I would say he’s mixed race but who cares ?
he has proven himself to be corrupt though, he’s been found out, but it’s ok as welsh Labour have asked the previous Welsh Labour leader carwyn Jones to do a ‘full investigation’ into it all
Gerhin is not a nice man . Sir Kier is best to distance himself from WAG.
That's not playing the race card though is it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
The term playing the race card is almost exclusively used by white people to describe a black ...or Asian....persons behaviour which in the opinion of the white person is trying to do things like make excuses for doing a crap job , being arrested , being discriminated against , not being good enough to play for England or Wales, not being interviewed, getting bullied etc......on the fact they are black
It's pretty low form
Whilst it appears VG isn't very good it seems that it is others in the labour group who have brought up their opinion that he's being treated badly because of his race
If there's a quote out there from him saying I am under pressure because of my race and a white Welsh Labour or Conservative minister wouldn't get this hassle ......then fair enough
I dont think many people think he's being treated badly because of his race but I also don't think he's responsible for any statements saying he thinks he is
Well that's an opinion but is he guilty of using his race to make excuses or cry discrimination here ?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Because that's what a few on here have suggested
I see the narrative has changed now. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgg0035dd0oQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
This a quote from the article:
Earlier on Saturday, a Labour MS said: "Vaughan Gething and his supporters made the case that the attacks against him were racially driven and that he was being held to a higher standard than others."
The MS added: "His supporters remain loyal but the group is still split."
However, an individual in the Welsh government itself strongly denied that Mr Gething had made such comments, and said they had instead come from Labour Members of Senedd (MSs).
He appears to be distancing himself from the original comment, so who really knows the truth?
The farcical way in which the anonymous complainents ......who are complaining about possible racism and may ...or may not ...include the first minister ....are giving snippets to the press is a mirror of the whole situation since VG was appointedQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Jesus h christ ......if you will pardon the expression GB
How can I pardon that expression when I know, that you know full well that I would find that very offensive? Sadly it says a lot about you of course, but maybe you can ask Jesus' pardon when you meet him?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Dear meQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
If you are offended then be a proper Christian....and forgive me
No-one can forgive someone on behalf of another person! You used Jesus's name as a swear word, not mine. You need him to forgive you. Sorry I can't help on this occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well tell your mate to forgive meQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue