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hope they bang the fecker up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I'd be surprised if anything happens to him. He's on national news right now. Spouting more lies.
Officially a criminal. Officially a fraudster.
He'll probably still get in! 🤦
Surely enough old school republicans will desert him ?
Don't former Presidents get a Secret Service protection for life. How is that going to work in prison?
In the words of the song....there may be trouble ahead. Trump still defiantly playing the victim game - could get very nasty.
He called the judge corrupt. How can you get away with that? Lock the p@@@k up.
There are none of those left. They're all nutters now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Fundamentalist Evangelical NuttersQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Surely this verdict is going to stop him becoming president ?
I can not understand how he gets away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Those housing projects .....tower blocks here .....they are driving through look a bit dodgy
First offence. My prediction is fines, community service or something minor. It will not stop him campaigning. This is the most trivial of cases - paying a tart some cash to stay quiet. The heavier charges, but much harder to prove, are the incidents at the White House and the other stuff. I think those will not land on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy Blue in Berkshire
What makes this entire election fascinating to me is this. We know that 40% either side are die hard Dems and Reps. The 20% meat in the middle (seing voters) now have to weigh up:
1. The corporate sector: Higher business foreclosures, real estate crisis, failing small-mid banks, retail mall destruction and transport companies going under at a rate of knots - all of this due to high interest rates
2. Private company layoffs, partly cushioned by additional government jobs
3. Personal debt situation: Credit card, auto loans and student loan delinquencies sky rocketing to levels not seen in 15 years
4. Home sales volumes crashing at rates not seen for 15-20 years, and with it, house prices. Wealth effect leaving them poorer
5. Immigration at the border becoming a hot topic
6. Inflation still pinching the wallet. Prices are not falling - they are going up less but costs are still a little higher than last two years
7. The political choice: an 80 year old felon, tart-botherer who runs around calling judges corrupt and said injecting bleach would get rid of CoVid versus an even older man who struggles to read from a scripted autocue, who covers up for his criminal son, and under his watch alone, due to his perceived weakness, has allowed Xi Xinping, Putin and Ayatollah of Iran run amok against American / Western interests, resulting in shipping attacks and inflationary spikes.
Seriously, trying to present one as bad and one as good is clinically insane. If people want to get sucked into blue v red, Left v Right, then more fool them for being tribal baboons. This is by some country mile the worst situation for Americans I can ever recall in my lifetime. And with it, the worst set of political options to deal with the problem.
All I can say is that Biden or Trump, if the USA can get to 2028 without triggering World War Three, the collapse of the dollar, a US Government Bonds crisis, a banking crisis or a US civil war, they will be the luckiest country on the planet.
From Andrew Neil
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...DREW-NEIL.html
No 1 I agree with you so dont go ON THE USUALQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
2 - he wont go to jail - any former US president gets 24/7 cover - the FBI wont be in his cell
3 - it doesnt legally stop him from running
4 - it will galvanise his victim status
5 - the only saving grace is that US citizens wont want to vote for a felon - but most of those will be democrats anyway t - i dont think this will make any difference, it just makes the US more divided - which is a bad thing for all of us
so now we have felon vs dementia patient - what a choice
No doubt Andrew Neil and those in this thread telling us what will happen next are falling back on all of those precedents we have of former Presidents who have been found guilty in criminal cases. We are in unchartered territory, it wouldn’t surprise me either way what happens next, I don’t know enough about attitudes in the USA in the mid 2020s to make a judgment, but it seems to me that until the 2016 election, a case like this would have been fatal for anyone running for President.
Seemed madness the first time given ages if nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
The US must have some much younger, more level headed, sane candidates to put forward?
Nothing in constitution to stop a felon being POTUS.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The situation wasn't considered by the Founding Fathers.
Must be a bit outdated, having to pay off pornstars probably wasn't common then. Too busy hanging bear arms on the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
It really is a dreadful choice for American voters.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
I'm not sure Trump's mental state is a lot better than Biden's either.
In this fecked up World the right wing loons will still vote for him.
To be fair it's not just right wing loons that will vote for him. He had 70 odd million votes and probably would again when his opposition is someone like Biden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Just seems bizarre to me that it's these two going again.
The most expensive Trumpy Rumpy Pumpy ever, which could have massive consequences, they are both dangerous and way too old, what a state the World is in.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
As others have said these are the best two candidates the USA can come up with? Somethings not right - what a mess the world is right now and it could get worse!
Bears don't have arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
The obsession with American politics in the UK baffles me
People out in the street protesting because a guy said grab her by the pussy, vs actual regimes that kills people
Truly. Madly. Bigly.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Add Putin, Kin Jong Un, Xi Jinping, Macron and for a while Boris, and Liz Truss, it really makes you wonder!Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
This situation simply reflects the moral decline of the USA. Here is a bloke who cheated on his wife and tried to cover it up by paying off a porn actress to keep stumm using his business account monies to do so. And some people want this man to be their president! For God bless America read God help America.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
I believe that if he were to be imprisoned he couldn't vote himself but can still stand as a presidential candidate. A tad bizarre, methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
He has a 24 hour security detail for life. There's absolutely no way he's going to jail. The worst thing that could happen to him is being placed under house arrest.
Trump will be cleared on appeal. This case was a nonsense. He paid a porn star not to blab about some naughty stuff years ago which spoiler alert is not a criminal offence. Trump has been convicted on the grounds that this payment somehow affected the 2016 election against another potential criminal Hilary Clinton.
How the court could come to that conclusion is unbelievable. Also, that conviction was using Federal Law in a State Law court, so the court has overreached its authority. This conviction won't last 5 minutes in the appeal court and will be thrown out with the rubbish and hopefully the same will happen to the rest of the democratic swamp come November
Wishful thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianKnight
I’ll be voting for RFK Jr.
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianKnight
F off Donald you nutcaseQuote:
Originally Posted by NinianKnight
Not true. The case was all about falsifying accounts, nothing to do with whether it affected the 2016 election. That case is yet to follow, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianKnight
It baffles me how anyone supports that man, let alone outsiders i.e., non-US citizens.
Thats Trump in power then.
41 days to decide on sentencing from a democratic influenced court case ??
Oh hang on 4 days late its the GOP Republican Presedendital Nomination event .
Don't you love democracy..
If folk think that the democratic party is not as bad as Trump are very niave.
$850 billion propsed USA defence budget making its way from White House its only a 1% increase .
Republican Party wants 5% and bigger fireworks.
He was found guilty of offences related to trying to deceive the electorate. I don't think that's trivial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
I value being a citizen of a republic and I think the legal system needs to protect us against those who seek to subvert it.