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Seems the 81 year old and 78 year old think the American people want to hear them discussing their golf handicaps. I didn’t watch the debate, but it seems it went as badly for Biden as many thoughts it would. There are calls for a special conference to be held where the Democrats can replace him as their candidate following his hesitant and, at times, incoherent performance in the debate.
I've thought since Biden won the Democrat vote to run again it was a silly decision.
His age was always going to be a factor and he seems to be deteriorating in front of the TV cameras.
Trump is an incoherent, lying, sex pest cuunt but actually appears strong where Biden looks weak and vulnerable.
If Biden doesn't step down he'll hand the USA to Trump.
Your final sentence is the big worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
The Democrats must realise that now and do something about it, but it feels like no-one in the party wants to be the one to speak out and make the first move.
Switcheroo incoming, it's as clear as day!
I feel like Biden and the Democrats choosing to nominate him again will go down as one of the great mistakes of American politics.
Sure, it will swing back in four or eight years and I don't buy the argument that Trump is dangerous or anything, but from a Democratic party perspective, and from his personal perspective what the hell were they thinking?
I've always been a bit back and forth with US politics and would likely be a floating voter if I lived there, but there is literally zero chance I would vote for Biden. He clearly i(and sadly) is unfit.
You'd have to believe he was in charge for that to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I thought that whoever is the current president - they have the automatic right to go for a second term un opposed. So if Biden says he wants to go again - there is nothing they can do, apart from go for an amendment where they can go through a process to get him removed. Which is what they really need to do and very quickly.
As it stands Trump will be the next President, the only plus points being - he doesnt have dementia. Kamala Harris was supposed to be the next big thing - purely on the basis she is black and female (dont let David Tennant know - he has a problem with these types of women) , but Harris has not taken the opportunity - mainly perhaps as she is not up to the job of replacing sleepy Joe
Newsom was chosen over two years ago, maybe even longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Apart from when he incited an insurrection attempt against his own government, where there was a gallows erected for his own vice president :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I think this is right. But it does need senior people in the party to do this and quickly, and most of them are also pretty old and have known Biden for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
There is no good outcome from the US election.
There is barely a less bad outcome.
The Democrats had a chance to nominate someone other than Biden - but have left it too late now.
I will be amazed if Trump doesn't win. And that is a sickening thought!
I watched a reaction piece with what I assumed were four Democrats discussing the debate. Three of them were crestfallen and talked of the need to replace Biden, while the fourth, the one who tried to make out it hadn't been too bad, ended up saying that the guy who said I did not have sex with a porn star, when everyone knows he did, won :facepalm:
He's a nice enough old chat, but way too old, he can't remember what he just said or get to the end of the sentence he is trying to say without forgetting what the sentence was about.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
As for golf, I doubt he could bend down to put the ball on the tee, yet alone swing a club.
The fact that the first debate was held so early in the electoral cycle might give the Democrats time to change their candidate and still have two or three months to try to "normalise" things, but I suspect you're right, the damage has already been done.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Trump's rallies have helped him, he could fire out his lines more sharply than Biden could. Apparently Biden spoke a lot better at something (after the debate, but it's too late by then. Like winning the third place playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
This does seem like a win for Trump.
Edit: just searched to see where Biden was, and it was a Waffle House so don't think that counts for much :hehe:
The whole of the US and the best they can come up with is these two, Jesus Christ what is going on!
It looks like luck is on their side :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I had to turn it off after about 30 minutes because of the visceral response it was inducing in me.
Trump is a lying braggart and insurrectionist. How he is not in jail for January 6 and squirreling away classified documents, I have no idea. He will set the mob loose (literally). But last night he dialed it down, was lucid and seemed calmer and even reasoned if you didn't realize he was just lying all the time. I fear for democracy and the free world if he is elected.
Biden has done a half decent job - the economy is strong, he's tried his best at foreign policy. But last night he was lost. He seemed nervous, he looked almost on the verge of sleep at times and he was incoherent. His performance was terrible. He looked like a very aged relative agitatedly rambling in his favourite comfortable chair at Christmas (Thanksgiving here).
Sunak and Starmer?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Aye just as bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
If that’s true and there are all these powers behind the throne really running things, why go through all of the rigmarole of having Biden run in the first place - what does anyone gain from it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I’m very anti Trump and would have voted for Biden with few concerns in 2020, but I couldn’t vote for him this time. I always assumed he would only serve four years and have had concerns about him this time around throughout the last year or so - he seems to have got worse recently, but not as bad as he was with that Medicare answer last night.
Got to say Trump was clever in the way he seemed to notice that Biden was tanking badly and so, in essence, just let him get on with it rather than wade in against him. That said, Trump talked his usual bollox when it was his turn and some of the things I’ve seen from him in the last month or two makes it look to me as if he’s suffered like Biden did last night - once cognitive decline sets in, it’s hardly going to go away in a few days like a cold does.
Are you saying it will be a Trump v Newsom election in 2024?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
If it has all been pre-planned 'they' have made a dogs breakfast of putting 'their' candidate up against Trump. WEF fail?
Or that Newsom is a good bet to be the Democratic candidate in 2028?
In which case you are just parroting what half the US commentariat have been saying for years.
Or maybe it was Biden who was chosen and there is no Swiss Baldrick with a cunning plan - and you are just giving us your latest dose of Gluey bollux? I wonder....
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Originally Posted by JamesWales
Biden is unfit.
Trump is also unfit for very different reasons
Seems that most senior Democrats are rallying behind him. Will be interesting to see if polling changes in the coming days.
One interesting outcome may be a more moderate Trump. If suddenly lots of potential centrist voters come on the scene he will want to sweep them up too. I think we saw that with his Roe v Wade answers of late, where he is saying it's gone to the states to determine and how that is what the US traditionally does etc and that is a pretty sound argument whether you agree with it or not
Timing is everything. It's too late to primary, but just in time to switcheroo.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I see you ignored my question about the need for a switcheroo in the first place - why did the elite who really runeverything want to involve a 81 year old Biden in their machinations, if he stands down in the next month, how has him dimishing the Democrats’ chances of a win suit the master plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-debate-speech
Trouble is, anyone who saw the worst of Biden's debate performance cannot just unremember it. As with the large majority of chronic illnesses and/or conditions, you have good days and bad days and the man who looked so all at sea at 81 wasn't as bad as that at 80, yet he's asking that the people of the USA put their trust in him to do what many still see as the most impeortant job in the world until he's 85 or 86.
It's like the bloke in the crowd shouting the King hasn't got any clothes on !
He's got to be persuaded to step aside now , it's cringeworthy
What brand of cannabis are you smoking?Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
ECONOMICS
Are you just staring at GEE-DEE-PEE and the stock market NasDaq prices, Keynesian-geek? Or just reading the BBC and Guardian referring to GEE-DEE-PEE?
Go and look at what real people are feeling in the US, and some market / economic internals that tell you what is going on under the hood, like
a real economist with thorough education, or a good city trader, would look at. Real economics.
Such as the cost of living which is hurting. Look at debt interest rates, and the debt service
ratio-to-income that ia hurting many people as a result. Look at auto loan defaults. Commercial Real estate crisis in California and New York states. Look at housing problems. Looked the fall in permanent private employment statistics such as layoffs and job openings. Student defaults. Credit card default. 60 mid range range banks with off the book losses, worse than the GFC (Source: May, FDIC) and anticipated to be bailed out? Cyclical sector downturns? And of course the king-sized twin deficits now blowing up US debts due to his Green-obsession. It is all deadly.
Clearly you don’t know where to look, your training in economics is third rate, you’re ignoring it for politics, or as I suspect you are not what you say you are. Quoting “3% inflation” and “GEE-DEE-PEE” is only stuff that academics, political people and wonks care about. This isn’t the language that people or voters care about. It is bubble-talk and you’re one of them.
So connect the dots homie and do your homework. Because opinion polls have been saying for months that the voters are not feeling anything on the economy. It it is because the data points I point out above are what is really happening and what people are really feeling. The only people that ever believed that this old crooner was suitable for the next four years, or even some myth of the economy doing well, are the bearded academics and the Democrat political bubble that props the old codger up.
Aside from economics optics are everything. People have said for 1-2 years now that Biden was senile or incapable. It was branded “Right Wing” or “Conspiracy Theorist” which is laughable. Well no more, as the chickens are now coming home to roost as the truth bubbles to the surface in plain sight for all to see. It was just common sense and a simple eyball check. The debate has smacked a few ignorant people square the face and brought reality home. Even the FT admitted yesterday they got it wrong. A generous serving of humble pie and admission that the attempt by media to manipulate opinion has blown up - just like your credibility.
FOREIGN POLICY
Under Biden, Iran, China and Russia have ran riot in encircling the West in Ukraine, Middle East and increasingly Taiwan. None of this happened Trump. Russia and China were not challenging militarily and Iran brought to his knees. Despite Trump appearing unhinged, none ran amok
under him because he was feared. Nobody fears Biden. He is a wimp. And if there is one thing we know in life, it takes a bully to beat a bully. Bullies run all over wimps, and that is why Xi, Putin and the Ayatollah of Iran have ran rings around Biden.
So let’s recap on four things I have called right, and you have called wrong:
1. Economic arguments on GEE-DEE-PEE don’t sway voters. Get real and look at real economic data that affects real people and tells us what is going on. I have dropped sufficient hints. Now follow up, good boy, and mark it down as education, personal growth” or a reality check.
2. Biden is shocking on foreign policy. The age of peace has gone. The age of the strongman has returned. Europe and the US need strongmen to respond. Hippies will not beat military generals. Wimps will not beat bullies.
3. Optics count more than policy detail. Biden is senile, is too old, and can’t remember things to debate. Trump is an idiot but appears strong, a good communicator, is combative, and knows what makes people tick (even if his empathy is false). He can tell (untruthful) stories which is powerful. He therefore lands better with the public eye and if allowed to run will win. That’s politics. It is game of optics and persuasion, or a game relative to your opponeny, not your ideal world based on truth, fact nor even competence.
4. Trump’s court case will not change the polls. Everyone thought it was “the end”. I said it wasn’t. I’m right. You’re wrong. Handle it like a man.
If Democrats are to return it is the like of Tulsi Gabbard that they need. Newsom, Harris, Whitmer and Kennedy will not cut the mustard. The search for a Democrat with a pair of bollocks
continues. And the idea thay AzCity knows what
is going on is a busted flush. You don’t like my tone? First, check your own.
As Ice Cube said: “Check Yo-self before you wreck Yo-self, big dicks in your mouth is bad for your health”
KS in the house y’all: THE VOICE OF REASON, TEACHER OF TRUTH
Keyser 4-0 AzCity. BOOM!!!!!!! 💣
I see the New York Times has called for Biden to step down. It's the American paper of record and a liberal mouthpiece, something like the Guardian and Times combined and quite a significant call.
I would say it's 50/50 that he ends up standing at the moment
That was a car crashQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
He's going to be dead within a year
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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze
Seems he is determined to carry on. The longer he does the more likely he is to lose and the less time any replacement has to prepare etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I just find it bizarre. His record is very mixed and he's pretty unpopular but had he stood down now I think he would have been regarded fairly well
I think it would be best if he stood aside but he seems determined to carry on. I fear for the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
A pleasure agreeing with you old bean! 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
Now I'm not a conspiracy theorist and don't really subscribe to this new world elite order that can manipulate politics to preserve their status quo and install presidential puppets to ensure their objectives are met.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
But if I was I'm prepared to bet that Biden risking it all due to him not stepping down see's him (Biden) being involved in an accident or someone accidentally pushing him off a podium?
I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm just saying. They shot Kennedy don't you know.
Just saying.
I don't see that happening, but I can only imagine the conversations that go on about him within the govt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I think he is more with it than the edited videos of his bloopers suggest. That scenario will expose his frailties more than anything, but still, he clearly is getting some quite simple things pretty mixed up
I wasn't expecting a reply to my absolute nonsense there but cheers buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Just did one of my periodic checks on the odds and I see that Biden is now not even second favourite to be next US president.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics