Apparently Reports of mass disruptions across many supermarkets and retailers ,Banks , airports in Australia and the UK
Are City flying to Austria today ?
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Apparently Reports of mass disruptions across many supermarkets and retailers ,Banks , airports in Australia and the UK
Are City flying to Austria today ?
many European airports are now affected . chesterfield fc too
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� Due to a global IT outage, unfortunately tickets can not be purchased online, in-person or over the phone at this time.<br><br>We apologise for any inconvenience and will update when we can. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spireites?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Spire ites</a> <a href="https://t.co/FDuV6eYemr">pic.twitter.com/FDuV6eYemr</a></p>— Chesterfield FC (@ChesterfieldFC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChesterfieldFC/status/1814210155166240912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Airlines being grounded in USA, Sky News off the air, NHS GP system having issues as are many others.......
yet CCMB still going strong though!! :hehe:
Bloody Starmer.
I'm no IT expert but you only have to look out the window to see that the clouds aren't working today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monster munch
More seriously, a welcome reminder of the need to not be overly reliant on type of technology and the importance of cash 👍
:hehe:I was waiting for lom or ncb to post that.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
100% :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Outage caused by Crowdstrike (?) forcing out an update that had a bad effect on Microsoft Windows.
I worked in Computer support for thirty years, implementing many s/w updates and upgrades.
I'd have been hung, drawn and quartered if I caused a tiny percentage of the problems reported today..
Don't these big tech companies have some form of change control??
Microsoft is notorious for forcing updates on users, to hell with the consequences.
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Booking them in by pen & ink :thumbup:
Cash is king :wave:
No services I use are affected. Apart from my company laptop. That's a result.
Starmer to nationalise cyber security end point software in the uk ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
You struck me as more of a bailiff/bouncerQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Ran a fish and chip shop in Hull until last year when I sold up. Am working as an IT consultant now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dembe
Classic career change!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
1000% :thumbup: CBDC + digital ID could get ugly really fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew
Donald is not having of that that's if the dark forces don't take him out of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">������ “I will NEVER allow the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency”<br><br>Trump goes on record again stating No to CBDC’s<br><br>“I will keep Elizabeth Warren & her goons away from you BitCoin”<br><br>Is it just me or does the way he say BC crack you up? <a href="https://t.co/618AyJNyj9">pic.twitter.com/618AyJNyj9</a></p>— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1814165314944290931?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Oh no, they'll all be demanding it on here now!Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
its OK the BRICS countries got it sussed !Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Same here...30 years....Worked at the likes of Banks/Supermarkets/Insurance companies......There ALWAYS has to be a verifiable roll back option and contingency plan....many companies had 'mirror sites' that stayed on the 'old system' while a new one was rolled out. Problem is by the time I retired companies were bringing in fresh graduates with MBA's but with no experience of the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
What's the best programming language for "Real World" in your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Tims have move on since I retired in 2002...but Assembler was still the most reliable......supported systems written in CICS Macro level assembler in Boots and Lloyds Bank treasury systems. You have complete command of what is happening. Also used Cobol, which was widespread. Can't say I have kept up with more modern languages,and I think many of the 'old' systems have long since been replaced with third party 'packages' that often have to be hacked about (aka modified...) to attempt the correct functionality.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
So when you say in your considered opinion that the symptoms that delivered the global outage were clear because when you retired companies were bringing in fresh graduates with MBA's but with no experience of the real world it was 22 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Bloody Trump, blaming Bidens camp for letting Joe play with the toys in the IT Section
Strange post,again.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Whenever has his posts been otherwise? I mean why has he still got an obsession with biers?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Thats a hell of a career change! I was only pissing about with my reply..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
It was a Crowdstrike update that caused a fault with windows. What backup could companies have in place for this? An entire operating system?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
It's not the user companies that were at fault here - it was the obvious lack of proper testing by Crowdstrike.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
yes....a mirror facility and solid roll back procedures....and Bobh is right...I mean Crowdstrike, not the individual companies...although they too should have contingency plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I'm not following.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Crowdstrike should have had a mirror facility and solid roll back procedures. But the problems were on the user computers, because Windows bluescreened there. What would a Crowdstrike contingency plan look like to solve this?
You'll have to help me out, as I'm not as experienced in IT as you.
In simple terms, the Crowdstrike problem impacted Microsoft interface.....causing MS to show down screens. I hate MS but it was not wholly their fault..although surely somewhere there should be a risk assessment......"what do we do if Crowdstike failed....."Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I don't have room or time or knowledge to give a precise Crowdstrike contingency plan.....unless they choose to hire me!
Users had bluescreens. Windows was impacted and unusable. The only contingency plan users could have would be to have a backup system that doesn't use Windows, just in case Crowdstrike (or something else) fails. That doesn't seem a realistic option to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Having sensible alternatives for when systems go down is key; always accepting cash, staff being trained for the scenarios, not having all the eggs in one basket - even little things like having a ready supply of a couple of flip chart boards for messaging etc.
I'm sure some coped better than others but it does show how exposed we are. That lasts for a few days and you have a potentially serious financial crisis on your hands.
That's a lot easier said than done. The whole world operates on computers and the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Loads of businesses suffered, but let's take airlines. What is the sensible alternative for flight reservations, scheduling, ticketing, boarding passes, baggage, etc? Just imagine the logistics involved in having a hard copy of everything needed for just a single flight, on the off chance that the computers go down - and there's 100,000 flights daily.
I guarantee that an airline would choose the alternative, risking a few days disruption once in a blue moon, to having a backup to all that.
Closed intranet systems that are operationally independent and not internet connected to one or two massive server administrators. Companies running their own systems. It's all very well saying we're locked into what we have but we don't have to be. Big Tech has had a massive influence. Everything, as is, can be hacked. It's an arms race.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Underneath all of this and the big driver to where we are is mass surveillance. Read anything by Snowden and you'll see why we've been pushed down this route by governments. It's not efficiency. It makes no sense and outages like the other day are proof of that. So why the big connect? It's surveillance.
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's going to have to be Lardy otherwise we're f*cked. The writing is on the wall. It was never a good idea to go down the route we have. Nobody's even mentioned the other massive dependency and that is 'power source'. Switch that off......the world goes dark. We have no means of connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Here ya go: CrowdStrike-Microsoft outage: Chinese cybersecurity firms take victory lap https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/a...ke-victory-lap
Sure, no way to completely mitigate for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
We also need digital ID to keep us safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster