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Originally Posted by Dorcus
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James Netanyahu WalesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
No it's not hard to find a solution at all. World governments should stop arming Israel forthwith, stop giving it succour by publicly endorsing it's policies and drag it forthwith to an international summit including the regional powers to put an end to the fighting and ensure a political settlement.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yes Sludge Squealer Factory. Agreeing with the authorities that there were antisemitic attacks clearly makes them Benjamin Netenyahu. Just like acknowledging an asylum seeker hotel was tried to be set on fire makes you Sadam Hussain.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Easy to say. Harder to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I know 2 thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Either when you are presented with a decent moderate article like the Guardian piece posted by Jon1959 you dont read it......yet pretend you have .....and even in the face of clear unbiased reporting you don't read such reports ....and are therefore a fake
Or you do read it and you are an idiot which is beyond doubt
I don't think I have ever conversed with anyone as pig ignorant and stubborn and utterly full of brass neck as you on here
And given I can be a fanny at times , that's no compliment
Please continue making an arse of yourself in this and other mindless twaddle either led by or contributed to by you
This till is now closed
Where there's a will there's a wayQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I think that's part of the problem. The will isn't there as much as we would hope because of Iran's influence and connection to Hamas and a lot of countries in the region being content with Hamas being got rid of once and for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I think the will isn't there between Israel, the USA and the West in particular. It doesn't suit their agenda. I'm not sure about Iran because it will largely be down to what the west might offer. However the longer this atrocity continues there's no doubt normal folk want the authorities, belligerents and vested interests to reach out for a settlement. No matter how difficult it's the only way.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://youtu.be/lwobmhPNu2g?si=qOcQ0pTDcpZAmt1-
Dutch MP in Parliament
Another conspiracy theorist like Owen Jones etc
Ah well
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
But it's always very difficult. Take for instance Ukraine - and I don't suggest the suffering of the Ukrainian people is similar to the Palestinians here btw -but take Ukraine. Everyone wants peace but the most likely scenario is drawing the line where it currently sits, with Russia taking the east. Easy isn't it, but the consequences are significant and wholly difficult to achieve.
I can't see peace with Hamas still as an entity. Tbh I can't see lasting peace with Netenyahu in charge either. They are both plainly a barrier to the solution.
Either way we can find peace but I doubt it will last. You just need one of the neighbouring countries to elect or cede power to a party who don't recognise Israel's right to exist in any capacity and the whole cycle starts again.
I don't agree it's much easier than that. The West must concede mistakes have historically been made and must try to seek peace with Iran by confirming there will be changes to the status quo. As in Ukraine even if borders need to be redrawn it's a better solution than ongoing innocent deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
We could all start by not pretending this is a symmetrical conflict and that it is one that has been building for a century, not 13 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I have come around to agreeing with what Feedback said on this board about 15 years ago - the only solution is a single democratic state with equal rights for Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs.
The two-state solution that most of the world supports and that western governments have recently re-discovered, is unviable. It might have been viable in 1947-8 when the UN put it forward; it might have been viable after Oslo in 1993; but after another 30+ years of settlement building, ethnic cleansing and systematic destruction of Palestinian homes and lands it is no longer viable - even for the less than 22% of Palestine that was under discussion at Oslo. Viable didn't mean right or just, but it might have been doable.
Now the only possible outcomes are a single democratic state or a single Zionist (Jewish supremacist state) built on the final ruins of Palestinian homes and on Palestinian bones. The latter is the direction of travel - a settler-colonial state of Israel from the river to the sea with second class citizens or guest workers supporting the first class citizens defined by an ethno religious label - most of them incomers from Eastern Europe and North America.
The 'one democratic state' vision is rapidly gaining traction and support - not just amongst Palestinians, but also anti-Zionist Jews inside and outside Israel, and major parts of the wider solidarity movement.
The obstacles to any kind of settlement are not Iran or sections of the Palestinian resistance movement - even the violent, autocratic, Islamist elements of it. The obstacles are the western backers and enablers of Israel - primarily the USA, but also Germany (the most pro-Israel state in the EU and the second biggest supplier of arms for the genocide), the UK, France and Canada.
You are right, it has of course been brewing for decades, if not centuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I am pretty sure you need to include violent Islamists as a part of the obstacles to peace though. Especially if you are going to include the likes of Canada and France. You wouldnt even get past the front door of th negotiating room without acknowledging that.
After Amsterdam came Paris....
https://www.thecanary.co/global/worl...ligans-france/
This probably requires a health warning as it is from The Canary and may cause excessive spluttering and frothing in some quarters! :thumbup:
They think they're in GazaQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I would suggest JW bends over and gets readyQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
And indeed , other apologists for the anti semitism crap
Bloody anti semitic pro Palestinian extremists!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
God bless Israel
Thank goodness we've finally put this thread to bed. We move on!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And that's the problem with social media. The website headlines 'preposterous sentences' handed down to three extinction rebellion activists for causing £6,000 of damage. 320 hours of community service between them..Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Are you back to claiming it didn't happen? 😩Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I still reckon you should apologise to Sludge and the other guys that you offended.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
JW is never wrong.:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Reports from local government can be traumatic, that's true. I think most of them are outside the snowflake generation so I'm sure they will survive, just as I will 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Well , well , well
https://youtu.be/4H_ozYgHpoM?si=inKswn91gmyYKXil
He is hereQuote:
Originally Posted by jeepster