The Two-faced, hypocritical Buffoon and his Party set for a Mauling at PMQ's Today..

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Originally Posted by delmbox

The Netherlands is more densely populated than England, your wiki source is wrong. You can even tell it's wrong because the countries are all in descending population density order apart from The Netherlands.

The dangers of using Wiki as a source.

Here's one from a Professor in Urban Studies and Planning, University of Sheffield

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https://theconversation.com/think-yo...s-europe-90345

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Cheers for posting :thumbup:

Whether England is the most or one of the most densely populated countries in Europe, it is still very densely populated and people are allowed to have an opinion on that and have an issue with it.

I don't subscribe to the 'country is full' argument, but people are allowed to think it, and allowed to think that it impacts on quality of life etc if they so wish.

There will be plenty of things that we all choose as important to use that others will dismiss as folly, but thats life.

It's interesting that somewhere like Denmark actually has a higher % urban population than England (88% v 83% I believe) but is often referred to as having one of the best quality of life scores in the world.

Not trying to hammer home any particular point here (I haven't really read back on this thread) but kind of links into RKJ's point above.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

It's interesting that somewhere like Denmark actually has a higher % urban population than England (88% v 83% I believe) but is often referred to as having one of the best quality of life scores in the world.

Not trying to hammer home any particular point (I haven't really read back on this thread) but kind of links into RKJ's point above.

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Yep, but these things are always summary opinions. Everyone will have a different consideration about what matters most. You'll find in most countries that concerns are often pretty similar.

Quite interesting to click back to pre-covid to see what worried Danes then.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-dk/what-worries-denmark

I'm interested in the different things that concern people anyway. There will be many I disagree with, but thats why I have a vote and they have a vote. Thats kinda the point.

Loads of stuff that Croesy or TOBW or anyone else will list as their main problems facing the country would be ones I would dismiss, and vice versa.

My over-riding point being. Just because you don't think something is an issue, it doesn't mean it isn't an issue for other people. We are all different and all views count.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yep, but these things are always summary opinions. Everyone will have a different consideration about what matters most. You'll find in most countries that concerns are often pretty similar.

Quite interesting to click back to pre-covid to see what worried Danes then.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-dk/what-worries-denmark

I'm interested in the different things that concern people anyway. There will be many I disagree with, but thats why I have a vote and they have a vote. Thats kinda the point.

Loads of stuff that Croesy or TOBW or anyone else will list as their main problems facing the country would be ones I would dismiss, and vice versa.

My over-riding point being. Just because you don't think something is an issue, it doesn't mean it isn't an issue for other people. We are all different and all views count.

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I haven't read the full context of this discussion (and don't really plan to tbh), so just treat it as an observation based on the theme of the last few posts.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

May I suggest that people are allowed to be concerned about what they want. Annoyance at benefit fraud is very common in working class areas as it is at very close proximity to people who are playing it fair.

It's understandable that if someone is cheating the system in Ely, then someone living a few doors down and working etc will be more annoyed by it than someone in Lisvane for whom such things are generally out of sight.

The country isn't "full" but England by itself is the most densely populated major country in Europe, and people are allowed to see over development, the loss of some community assets, house price rises etc and associate the two.

In short, concerns over benefit fraud and population density are perfectly valid concerns for people. The mistake the left has generally made is the same one you are making now. You aren't understanding peoples concerns or offering viable solutions, you are merely mocking them and telling them what to think.

You need to learn to respect the electorate more, and if they have a view different to you, to understand it, not just dismiss it as someone being 'lied to'.

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Out of interest, do you think these people are really experiencing what you write or is their experience second hand, learned from a bloke in the pub or read in the newspaper etc?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Cheers for posting :thumbup:

Whether England is the most or one of the most densely populated countries in Europe, it is still very densely populated and people are allowed to have an opinion on that and have an issue with it.

I don't subscribe to the 'country is full' argument, but people are allowed to think it, and allowed to think that it impacts on quality of life etc if they so wish.

There will be plenty of things that we all choose as important to use that others will dismiss as folly, but thats life.

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What a weird post, nobody was saying they aren't allowed to think it.

What's politics about anyway if not to change people's perceptions on matters? I'm sure all of us have held irritating, unbalanced and selfish views on times but we are better off for having the intellect and openness to listen to counter arguments.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Out of interest, do you think these people are really experiencing what you write or is their experience second hand, learned from a bloke in the pub or read in the newspaper etc?

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Yeah of course some people are experiencing it, and it annoys them, understandably so.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

What a weird post, nobody was saying they aren't allowed to think it.

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Actually, if you scroll back a page or two you will see that someone was saying the opinion isn't valid.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

You’ll lose your mind when you hear about the rich evading tax and hiding their wealth in offshore bank accounts. Surely your anger is best served on those. Reminds me of that famous cartoon Attachment 4711

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not really, its always happened, its not a issue that has just happened on the Tories watch, pretty sure it was a point of discussion under Blair aswell

so my mind is perfectly safe

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Quite depressing to see people voting for the tories because of “benefit cheats” and for brexit because “country’s full”.

Two things that are never going to be solved by those votes.

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Just for the record ( as it will now already have become fact in some minds ) I DID NOT vote for the conservatives due to my issue with " benefit cheats "

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Appalling in my opinion but in fairness to Matt I have to give him a thumbs up for helping out at food banks ��

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See above

Ref the food banks ( they wouldn't be needed if it wasn't for the tories etc etc ) , I might have told the story before, a few years back I watched a old couple load from the supermarket trolley to the boot of the car, they struggled a little,I asked them if they wanted a hand, they declined, So I popped along to the food bank and said " I can just load the trolley in my van and drop to to you " which I did every week, it then progressed slightly this year during the pandemic, I grabbed a load of trays of the £1 Easter eggs from sain'ers shelf and took them to the food bank and told them if any come in with kids, give them a egg, its progressed slightly more this christmas, I ordered 200 Maltesers and cadburys selection box's from B&M ( they were the cheapest I could find at under a quid each ) dropped them of last week, it wasn't a lot, but might cheer some poor sod up a little

So if you have a spare 20 quid, or dont have your takeaway this week, pop to the supermarket and buy some selection box's and share the goodwill :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Just for the record ( as it will now already have become fact in some minds ) I DID NOT vote for the conservatives due to my issue with " benefit cheats "



See above

Ref the food banks ( they wouldn't be needed if it wasn't for the tories etc etc ) , I might have told the story before, a few years back I watched a old couple load from the supermarket trolley to the boot of the car, they struggled a little,I asked them if they wanted a hand, they declined, So I popped along to the food bank and said " I can just load the trolley in my van and drop to to you " which I did every week, it then progressed slightly this year during the pandemic, I grabbed a load of trays of the £1 Easter eggs from sain'ers shelf and took them to the food bank and told them if any come in with kids, give them a egg, its progressed slightly more this christmas, I ordered 200 Maltesers and cadburys selection box's from B&M ( they were the cheapest I could find at under a quid each ) dropped them of last week, it wasn't a lot, but might cheer some poor sod up a little

So if you have a spare 20 quid, or dont have your takeaway this week, pop to the supermarket and buy some selection box's and share the goodwill :thumbup:

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Can not fault you :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yeah of course some people are experiencing it, and it annoys them, understandably so.

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Some. I reckon that if you put a figure on it it would be less than a quarter. Much less. The rest hear and read stories, some true, but most are utter bullshit and make their minds up from that.

Take, for instance, social media. Every year we get bollocks about people not being allowed to wear poppies, about the word Christmas not being allowed etc. Lots of people believe tripe like this and share it happily.

People often tell me they don't want immigrants coming over here. Each time I ask them how their lives have been negatively affected by immigrants. I rarely get a reply.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Just for the record ( as it will now already have become fact in some minds ) I DID NOT vote for the conservatives due to my issue with " benefit cheats "



See above

Ref the food banks ( they wouldn't be needed if it wasn't for the tories etc etc ) , I might have told the story before, a few years back I watched a old couple load from the supermarket trolley to the boot of the car, they struggled a little,I asked them if they wanted a hand, they declined, So I popped along to the food bank and said " I can just load the trolley in my van and drop to to you " which I did every week, it then progressed slightly this year during the pandemic, I grabbed a load of trays of the £1 Easter eggs from sain'ers shelf and took them to the food bank and told them if any come in with kids, give them a egg, its progressed slightly more this christmas, I ordered 200 Maltesers and cadburys selection box's from B&M ( they were the cheapest I could find at under a quid each ) dropped them of last week, it wasn't a lot, but might cheer some poor sod up a little

So if you have a spare 20 quid, or dont have your takeaway this week, pop to the supermarket and buy some selection box's and share the goodwill :thumbup:

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Again, well done Matt, that puts some of us to shame 👍

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Just for the record ( as it will now already have become fact in some minds ) I DID NOT vote for the conservatives due to my issue with " benefit cheats "



See above

Ref the food banks ( they wouldn't be needed if it wasn't for the tories etc etc ) , I might have told the story before, a few years back I watched a old couple load from the supermarket trolley to the boot of the car, they struggled a little,I asked them if they wanted a hand, they declined, So I popped along to the food bank and said " I can just load the trolley in my van and drop to to you " which I did every week, it then progressed slightly this year during the pandemic, I grabbed a load of trays of the £1 Easter eggs from sain'ers shelf and took them to the food bank and told them if any come in with kids, give them a egg, its progressed slightly more this christmas, I ordered 200 Maltesers and cadburys selection box's from B&M ( they were the cheapest I could find at under a quid each ) dropped them of last week, it wasn't a lot, but might cheer some poor sod up a little

So if you have a spare 20 quid, or dont have your takeaway this week, pop to the supermarket and buy some selection box's and share the goodwill :thumbup:

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Food banks have increased 3,800% under the Tories. And people still vote for them. Instead of giving £20 to a food bank perhaps vote for a party that doesn’t cause this.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Actually, if you scroll back a page or two you will see that someone was saying the opinion isn't valid.

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Those two things aren't the same.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Some. I reckon that if you put a figure on it it would be less than a quarter. Much less. The rest hear and read stories, some true, but most are utter bullshit and make their minds up from that.

Take, for instance, social media. Every year we get bollocks about people not being allowed to wear poppies, about the word Christmas not being allowed etc. Lots of people believe tripe like this and share it happily.

People often tell me they don't want immigrants coming over here. Each time I ask them how their lives have been negatively affected by immigrants. I rarely get a reply.

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Do you work for BT ? Because if you do you would have received an email asking staff to refer to the 'holidays' not 'Christmas', presumably so as to avoid offence to non-Christians.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

May I suggest that people are allowed to be concerned about what they want. Annoyance at benefit fraud is very common in working class areas as it is at very close proximity to people who are playing it fair.

It's understandable that if someone is cheating the system in Ely, then someone living a few doors down and working etc will be more annoyed by it than someone in Lisvane for whom such things are generally out of sight.

The country isn't "full" but England by itself is the most densely populated major country in Europe, and people are allowed to see over development, the loss of some community assets, house price rises etc and associate the two.

In short, concerns over benefit fraud and population density are perfectly valid concerns for people. The mistake the left has generally made is the same one you are making now. You aren't understanding peoples concerns or offering viable solutions, you are merely mocking them and telling them what to think.

You need to learn to respect the electorate more, and if they have a view different to you, to understand it, not just dismiss it as someone being 'lied to'.

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Be cautious, Roosevelt said " a man who has never been to school may steal from a freight car, but if he has a university education he may steal the whole railroad"

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Do you work for BT ? Because if you do you would have received an email asking staff to refer to the 'holidays' not 'Christmas', presumably so as to avoid offence to non-Christians.

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I thought refering to Christmas as holidays was an American thing? They've been saying it for decades. This whole thing about not offending non Christians or non whatever is really a load of bunkum.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I thought refering to Christmas as holidays was an American thing? They've been saying it for decades. This whole thing about not offending non Christians or non whatever is really a load of bunkum.

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I thought Xmas was being rebanded as Lockdown !

One of the "gatherings" at 10 Downing Street (source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59665955). I leave it to you to decide if it can be classified as a party!

not at downing Street, but at conservative hq

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I thought refering to Christmas as holidays was an American thing? They've been saying it for decades. This whole thing about not offending non Christians or non whatever is really a load of bunkum.

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Christmas was conveniently grafted on to midsummer holiday festivities such as the Saturnalia and many other pagan ones before that. In my opinion holiday period is the most accurate term.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Some. I reckon that if you put a figure on it it would be less than a quarter. Much less. The rest hear and read stories, some true, but most are utter bullshit and make their minds up from that.

Take, for instance, social media. Every year we get bollocks about people not being allowed to wear poppies, about the word Christmas not being allowed etc. Lots of people believe tripe like this and share it happily.

People often tell me they don't want immigrants coming over here. Each time I ask them how their lives have been negatively affected by immigrants. I rarely get a reply.

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Never thought I’d say it, but I’m almost glad that Johnson’s in charge as opposed to someone from the snowflake, throw my toys out of the pram if I can’t do what I want wing of the Conservative party;-

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...st-state-tweet

Rules is for plebs, latest on party gate https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...wn-say-sources

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Rules is for plebs, latest on party gate https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...wn-say-sources

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PS not sure if this is before or after Johnson nearly died of COVID :hehe:

Does anyone believe he even had it???

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Never thought I’d say it, but I’m almost glad that Johnson’s in charge as opposed to someone from the snowflake, throw my toys out of the pram if I can’t do what I want wing of the Conservative party;-

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...st-state-tweet

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Unbelievable! Yes go on gag the medics and scientists now; not a great look for the Tories.

It will be easier at this rate to list all the forties who didn’t party in lockdown https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...anced-25718548

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Rules is for plebs, latest on party gate https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...wn-say-sources

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This was around 10 days before Cummings provided a media briefing regarding his eye test. So right at the peak over the huge furore over those in power keeping to the rules.

You’ll never believe it, Simon Case the guy the serial liar put in charge of the investigation into party gate only went and had a Christmas party on 17th December 2020 at 5.30 pm in room 103 of the Cabinet Office. The digital calendar invites sent in advance called it "Christmas party!"

Nothing to see here, totally transparent :xmashehe: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...arty-s3c9zxl0t

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-s...street-london/

:xmashehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-s...street-london/

:xmashehe:

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"..crisps were also served.."
This is getting serious.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

"..crisps were also served.."
This is getting serious.

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It sounds rather un.......savoury

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

It sounds rather un.......savoury

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Its getting to crunch time now.

NEW: Simon Case is no longer leading the Whitehall investigation in lockdown rule breaking in Downing Street - sources :xmaswave:

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

NEW: Simon Case is no longer leading the Whitehall investigation in lockdown rule breaking in Downing Street - sources :xmaswave:

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Worcester sources? I prefer cheese ‘n’ onion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y18CrgFdh4

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Unbelievable! Yes go on gag the medics and scientists now; not a great look for the Tories.

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Labour have Richard Burgon. The tories have Joy Morrissey.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

NEW: Simon Case is no longer leading the Whitehall investigation in lockdown rule breaking in Downing Street - sources :xmaswave:

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He's not on the Case then.........