Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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11-09-16, 09:39
Badly Ironed Shirt

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by CCFC CASUAL

Slade was getting knocked for his use of the 442 system as I recall

Maybe the players are more suited to Slade's tactics? They had 12 points at this stage last season and were unbeaten.
11-09-16, 09:42
CCFC CASUAL

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Maybe the players are more suited to Slade's tactics? They had 12 points at this stage last season and were unbeaten.

If they were so comfortable using Slade tactics then they didn't show it because after that opening 6 games they then played another 40 league games and averaged 33% less points per game than they did in the opening 6.
So you could argue that it was downhill for Slade after that bright start.
11-09-16, 10:49
Splott David

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

To be honest, this notion of Trollope developing a 'system' based on the Welsh team sounds like utter nonsense, unless he's planning to sign Gareth Bale, of course.

Cardiff City have been a mid-table Championship side for a large portion of my adult life. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Frankly I will be delighted if we scrape a mid-table position by the end of this season.
11-09-16, 11:18
tigerbaybluebird

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

Look it's another negative thread from Mr pejorative himself

There's a surprise
11-09-16, 11:26
jamieccfc

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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird

Look it's another negative thread from Mr pejorative himself

There's a surprise

:thumbup:
11-09-16, 11:28
blue matt

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird

Look it's another negative thread from Mr pejorative himself

There's a surprise

No No, dont criticise him, you will be on his " hit list " and he will come back with a witty retort ( or not, as is often the case )

:wave:
11-09-16, 11:37
The Lone Gunman

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird

Look it's another negative thread from Mr pejorative himself

There's a surprise

I confess it is rather negative, but then so is the worst start to a season in more than a decade.

:thumbup:
11-09-16, 11:45
TruBlue

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

I don't see the formation as the problem, the issue is if you keep getting rid of players and bringing worse ones in, it's always going to be a downward spiral.
11-09-16, 11:47
darran1927

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Maybe the players are more suited to Slade's tactics? They had 12 points at this stage last season and were unbeaten.

Slade also had inherited Kenwynne Jones and Joe Mason both recognised strikers and did score in those opening games , Trollope has just signed Lambert who has played 1 game for us after recognising we need a striker
11-09-16, 11:51
chepstow

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Slade was getting knocked for his 4-4-effing-2 formation, but results seemed more positive. Just wondering if, perhaps, Cardiff don't have the players for 3-5-2?

They dont we sold fabio let turner go for nowt which left us without a left footed centre back sold the best goalie in the league havent got a foward with a current goal scoring record dont have two wing backs good enough to play the role.....it goes on and on
11-09-16, 11:53
chepstow

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I said City have so far played one side who ranked in the top ten of the division's pre-season favourites. I was correct. That side was Norwich.

QPR were ranked 12th based on the bookmakers' average prices.

Your not telling lies are you ccfc casual???
11-09-16, 12:46
CCFC CASUAL

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by chepstow

Your not telling lies are you ccfc casual???

No I'm not QPR were in the top 10 in several bookies before a ball was kicked
11-09-16, 12:47
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by darran1927

Slade also had inherited Kenwynne Jones and Joe Mason both recognised strikers and did score in those opening games , Trollope has just signed Lambert who has played 1 game for us after recognising we need a striker

After recognising we need a striker? We all know we've needed a striker since Bothroyd left!

Also, the current crop of players are completely unsuited to the current formation. Slade got hammered for it but I'd love him back. I don't rate Trollope one bit, his buys and team selections don't make sense to me.
11-09-16, 15:18
Thoth

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Yeah thats fair enough.

Lot of people though seem to think its the system at fault. It comes down to the players in the system and I dont think ours are good enough.

No shit?
11-09-16, 15:28
Badly Ironed Shirt

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by CCFC CASUAL

If they were so comfortable using Slade tactics then they didn't show it because after that opening 6 games they then played another 40 league games and averaged 33% less points per game than they did in the opening 6.
So you could argue that it was downhill for Slade after that bright start.

Over those 40 games, they were averaging more than a point a game. What's Trollope's average?
11-09-16, 15:30
Badly Ironed Shirt

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Originally Posted by TruBlue

I don't see the formation as the problem, the issue is if you keep getting rid of players and bringing worse ones in, it's always going to be a downward spiral.

This - but Tan has to recoup £200m somehow. Just wondering, does the football club look like it's had £200m of investment on and off the pitch? On second thoughts, I'll save that question for a Swansea thread :-D
11-09-16, 15:56
darran1927

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

Over those 40 games, they were averaging more than a point a game. What's Trollope's average?

Trollope has been in charge for 6 games can't compare the 2 yet
11-09-16, 16:01
CCFC CASUAL

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by darran1927

Trollope has been in charge for 6 games can't compare the 2 yet

Exactly

Slades first 6 games in charge of Cardiff yielded a very impressive 13 points, the next 6 games 5 points and the next 6 games just 4 points.

You can't make fair comparisons on 46 game season v a block of 6 games.

If we are still averaging under a point a game after 46 games then we will be relegated.

I don't think we will be relegated and expect the points per game ratio to increase once Trollope gets his full side out and system settled.
11-09-16, 16:12
the leader

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

Simply put, City have replaced their average no1 Russell Slade, with an average no2.
Trollope was holding a half decent (not brilliant) reputation as a coach, not a manager.
I'm not in the least surprised to see us failing because promoting a no2 is always a gamble.
It's ironic that the start to the season is actually similar to a big sloppy no2.
11-09-16, 20:22
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

To me, the current crop appear to be an average bunch by Championship standards.

Correction. They are an average bunch. Probably an over-hyped average bunch.
11-09-16, 20:25
Jimmy the Jock

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Correction. They are an average bunch. Probably an over-hyped average bunch.

We have only had 6 games, surely we need to get to xmas before we go slating the manager and every player in the team?
11-09-16, 20:44
blue matt

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

We have only had 6 games, surely we need to get to xmas before we go slating the manager and every player in the team?

No, 6 games in appear to be the benchmark

at this rate the missing fans will never come back, not till the seats in the new stand are blue, the grass is a lighter shade of green and anything else they can think of
11-09-16, 21:16
dandywarhol

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I was surprised to read on Sky Sports News last night that yesterday's defeat at Norwich means Cardiff City have made their worst start to a league campaign in eleven years, but I've checked the stats this morning and the claim is correct.

The points totals after six league games during the last twelve seasons are as follows (managers in brackets):

2005/06 - 5 points (Dave Jones)
2006/07 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2007/08 - 7 points (Dave Jones)
2008/09 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2009/10 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2010/11 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2011/12 - 11 points (Malky Mackay)
2012/13 - 13 points (Malky Mackay)
2013/14 - 8 points (Malky Mackay)
2014/15 - 8 points (Ole Gunnar Solskjaer)
2015/16 - 12 points (Russell Slade)
2016/17 - 5 points (Paul Trollope)

It's a statement of the obvious, but a total of just five points from the first six games is none too clever after what appeared on paper to be a fairly routine set of fixtures by Championship standards (City have so far played only one side who were ranked in the top ten of the division's pre-season favourites - yesterday's opponents Norwich).

THE GRIM REAPER IS BACK.STATING THE ****ING OBVIOUS
11-09-16, 21:31
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt

This - but Tan has to recoup £200m somehow. Just wondering, does the football club look like it's had £200m of investment on and off the pitch?

Of course. Look at how well we're doing.
11-09-16, 21:33
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

We have only had 6 games, surely we need to get to xmas before we go slating the manager and every player in the team?

Nope, not slating the manager and every player.

It's been my opinion that we've had an average bunch for a few seasons. I'd argue that our best squad in recent times was in 2010/11, the last side Jones had. Best not say too much about that, but in terms of attacking prowess, we've had nothing like it since. If we could have had a manager who could have developed a strategy, midfield and a plan B around that side, we'd now be top 10 in the Premier League.

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