Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Why is Sludge absent from this discussion? He's definitely not knelt in silent prayer at Mary Magdalene's church following that unsavoury incident the other week involving Gertrude the organist and a knockwurst sausage, and it's way too cold for a spot of dogging.
I have just awoken after a night of metal
Homelessness is a very complex issue , there are people begging and taking the piss but they are in a minority
My view is give them the benefit of the doubt and lob em a quid , if they are genuine then great , if they are con artists then no doubt one day they will get lifted
As for homeless provision , there is often so much violence , drinking , drug abuse and exploitation going on around the homeless shelters that some people feel safer on the streets and others are so ill mentally they can't cope with the environment
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
That's contrary to what I've been told so many times by those on the front line. They said do not under any circumstances give cash to a beggar... offer to buy them food or drink because that can't be exchanged for drugs or alcohol. Donate to homeless charities instead.
Well I used to work on the frontline of homelessness and I was never told that , ever
If someone gets enough money to get their fix of alcohol or drugs from begging rather than beating someone up outside a cashpoint or breaking into someone's house then I see no real problem , it's just a quid , if you want to walk past , then walk past
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Well I used to work on the frontline of homelessness and I was never told that , ever
If someone gets enough money to get their fix of alcohol or drugs from begging rather than beating someone up outside a cashpoint or breaking into someone's house then I see no real problem , it's just a quid , if you want to walk past , then walk past
Maybe things have changed since then. What I stated re advice from those involved today is accurate and is often repeated by charity bosses. I can - and will if you desire - post plenty of links where their words are quoted.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Maybe things have changed since then. What I stated re advice from those involved today is accurate and is often repeated by charity bosses. I can - and will if you desire - post plenty of links where their words are quoted.
Go ahead , it makes no difference , the charities and the council's can't be seen to condone begging but those who have worked in the sector know the score
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
i allways look at how clean their hands are and the state of their trainers.I never walk past with out giving if they look down.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
jeepster
i allways look at how clean their hands are and the state of their trainers.I never walk past with out giving if they look down.
It's a free country mate , there are aggressive people out there and some can be a pain the arse but compared to street robbery of cash , mobiles etc with knives , which is a growing problem in cities , the issue of who is homeless and who isn't pales into insignificance
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
People sat down with a cup in their hand are a different breed and less of a plague than the mobile scammers who bowl up to people, usually the elderly and others they perceive to be weak, asking for money to make up their bus fare and the like. Sure, if those who aren't intimated choose to give them money then that's their business, but in most cases they may as well give directly to drug dealers 'cos that's where the dough's heading.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Go ahead , it makes no difference , the charities and the council's can't be seen to condone begging but those who have worked in the sector know the score
The following links cover charities: Salvation Army, Changing Lives, St Mungos and Thamesreach https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/...patrickwintour https://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/201...ess-charities/ https://www.ft.com/content/f2e25252-...6-12672483791a http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...backs-10496545
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
Who is and who isn't does make a difference to me. Was talking to my old girl about the homeless before, mentioned that in Manchester there are fakes out there and a large percent in Manchester aren't homeless, some have homes and some do it from sheer desperation for drugs. Spice is a huge issue in Manchester. A couple in a pub told me to not be so naive when dishing out change as I would give to most of them I saw..since then I've been more wary and judgmental and my old girl said I shouldn't be...
Was a girl in ponty town centre the other week not been there before or since..smackhead on the off chance begging for cash.
Eastern European woman with a big issue..
2 eastern Europeans Saturday eother side of town begging..I honestly laughed in the blokes face as I walked past..may seem harsh but people are bottoming on how to deceive the public..gang on smackheads been sat outside M&S all hours..ain't been seen for weeks after a 2 week stint begging for cash...likely people caught on and stopped giving so they ****ed off.
Feel for the genuine ones I do. Was a bloke outside BK in cardoff the other week my daughter suggested buying him some food, went out and he had moved on because some woman told him to get a job. Food in hand we looked and couldn't find him...bet he felt heartbroken..what an evil ****ing ****...
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
Big Issue sellers are the pushiest of the lot. I just tell them I’ve already bought the latest issue.
Don’t get me started on Eastern European big issue sellers. Had to tell one “No” three times in the space of about 2 minutes yesterday outside the Co-Op.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Big Issue sellers are the pushiest of the lot. I just tell them I’ve already bought the latest issue.
Don’t get me started on Eastern European big issue sellers. Had to tell one “No” three times in the space of about 2 minutes yesterday outside the Co-Op.
You talking Pentrebach? I usually buy a copy from her as she's not pushy at all? Are you sure it's not you? You do have a habit from what I read on here in encountering the most difficult of people.
p.s. The big issue seller in Merthyr sports a Liverpool scarf so that's him ****ed.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Of course they haven't got a vested interest in trying to ensure we give their charities our money?
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
A guy in Bath has a great bit of " patter " , he walks upto ladies and says " did you hear what he just said to me "
No is the reply ( he already has them hooked, they have engaged him )
He told me to F off and go and get a job you bum ( is his reply )
Ohhhh is the female reply while fishing around in her purse / bag for some money
I watched he say the same thing 3 times last Wednesday to different people, he was getting decent results, the christmas market means people are coming to Bath from all over
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Of course they haven't got a vested interest in trying to ensure we give their charities our money?
Sure. Some of the 167,000 registered UK charities are huge businesses many of whose CEOs are on £150k per year and above.
I wonder if any of them spend every penny of donations on their chosen cause? What I mean is that every helper is an unpaid volunteer and that they eat the admin costs and other expenses from their own pockets so that they not only invest their time for free but also donate their money too.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Of course he's not going to admit it , he will get a block Grant from the city council , as do the housing charities in Cardiff , they don't want to rock the boat
The big issue was founded by John bird who was an avid supporter of the right to buy council housing , a lot of people in housing don't have a lot of time for him
Anyway I have given £100 to the appeal to fund an emergency helpline for homeless youngsters in Cardiff so my conscience is crystal clear
People can either argue the toss on here or do something about it
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
No idea. But understand from an informed source that the Salvation Army joint is never full. There's another hostel too, Huggard something it's known by.
You're thinking of Ty Tresilian (Salvation Army) and the Huggard Centre.
Ty Tresilian is a longer-term hostel, the Huggard tends to be for 1 or 2 nights at most and both are full on a regular basis . The street homeless cannot just turn up and expect floor space (the chances of a bed in the Huggard are slim to none as far as I'm aware) in these places. There is a process that needs to be completed before you can even get through the door.
You need to present at Housing Options and make a homeless application - before finding out if there's room for you at a hostel that evening. Become homeless after 4pm or on a weekend? You're f**ked unless you're under 21 as there are no services in Cardiff readily available to help you escape sleeping on the street that evening.
Hope that helps.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
You're thinking of Ty Tresilian (Salvation Army) and the Huggard Centre.
Ty Tresilian is a longer-term hostel, the Huggard tends to be for 1 or 2 nights at most and both are full on a regular basis . The street homeless cannot just turn up and expect floor space (the chances of a bed in the Huggard are slim to none as far as I'm aware) in these places. There is a process that needs to be completed before you can even get through the door.
You need to present at Housing Options and make a homeless application - before finding out if there's room for you at a hostel that evening. Become homeless after 4pm or on a weekend? You're f**ked unless you're under 21 as there are no services in Cardiff readily available to help you escape sleeping on the street that evening.
Hope that helps.
I doubt it very much mate , you are wasting your time on here with the housing and substance misuse experts
The wallich Clifford community used to have a hostel off Newport road but again access was far from an easy walk in
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
You're thinking of Ty Tresilian (Salvation Army) and the Huggard Centre.
Ty Tresilian is a longer-term hostel, the Huggard tends to be for 1 or 2 nights at most and both are full on a regular basis . The street homeless cannot just turn up and expect floor space (the chances of a bed in the Huggard are slim to none as far as I'm aware) in these places. There is a process that needs to be completed before you can even get through the door.
You need to present at Housing Options and make a homeless application - before finding out if there's room for you at a hostel that evening. Become homeless after 4pm or on a weekend? You're f**ked unless you're under 21 as there are no services in Cardiff readily available to help you escape sleeping on the street that evening.
Hope that helps.
You may wish to relay your remarks to Labour's Lynda Thorne from Cardiff Council who states unambiguously in the OP link that: “We are determined to help the genuine homeless and end rough sleeping in the city. People ask if we’re doing enough to help these individuals but I want everyone to know that there is no need to sleep outside at night..."
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
entry to our country without a prospect of a job and finance to support
Not sure where you get this from, but this is a common misconception. Freedom of movement doesn't mean anyone from any part of the EU can come into Britain and do what they like. Immigrants that are EU citizens need a promise of work in order to be able to live here - they can't simply turn up and hope to find a job. They are also excluded from receiving benefits for a qualifying period, so they can't come over here and get their hands on money (different rules for asylum seekers, but we're not talking about them).
Also, an EU citizen out of work for 3 months in a country of which they are not a citizen (maybe passport holder too, don't know) can be legally sent back to their own country. Austria is an example of a country which enforces this rule pretty heavily by all accounts.
Basically, if there are issues with immigration of EU citizens in the UK, it's because of failings at our end which our government are in a position to sort out.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
You may wish to relay your remarks to Labour's Lynda Thorne from Cardiff Council who states unambiguously in the OP link that: “We are determined to help the genuine homeless and end rough sleeping in the city. People ask if we’re doing enough to help these individuals but I want everyone to know that there is no need to sleep outside at night..."
When I worked in housing in Cardiff it was exactly the same , the city council would try to paint a nice pretty picture but the charities working on the front line knew the score
In fact the organisation I worked for was a voluntary sector version of the old council run housing help centre on st Mary Street
We were very successful at giving advice and help to the homeless and badly housed
So good in fact that the council housing department put pressure on the council and they shut us down
The one time councillor Kevin Brennan announced we were closing in the echo before we had even been given confirmation as staff that we were losing our jobs
He's an MP now
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Not sure where you get this from, but this is a common misconception. Freedom of movement doesn't mean anyone from any part of the EU can come into Britain and do what they like. Immigrants that are EU citizens need a promise of work in order to be able to live here - they can't simply turn up and hope to find a job. They are also excluded from receiving benefits for a qualifying period, so they can't come over here and get their hands on money (different rules for asylum seekers, but we're not talking about them).
Also, an EU citizen out of work for 3 months in a country of which they are not a citizen (maybe passport holder too, don't know) can be legally sent back to their own country. Austria is an example of a country which enforces this rule pretty heavily by all accounts.
Basically, if there are issues with immigration of EU citizens in the UK, it's because of failings at our end which our government are in a position to sort out.
I was told bt a Romanian that they get round it by registering as a business, slef employed, then the whole family sells big issues.
What I can't get my head round is if the big issue is for genuinely homeless, why does the nmanagement allow the immigrants to sell it, given what the previous poster stated as fact.where they came from if the are not making a decent contribution to society.
I know a guy that sells it on Queenn St. He is a licenced street trader, isn't homelees and to my knowledge never has been.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
Qualification to become a Big Issue seller: https://www.bigissue.org.uk/our-vend...-become-vendor
Homeless or rough sleeping
In temporary accommodation
In danger of losing a home
Unemployed and facing financial crisis
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
You may wish to relay your remarks to Labour's Lynda Thorne from Cardiff Council who states unambiguously in the OP link that: “We are determined to help the genuine homeless and end rough sleeping in the city. People ask if we’re doing enough to help these individuals but I want everyone to know that there is no need to sleep outside at night..."
I don't need to, the Council are more than aware that not enough is being done to prevent homelessness and there are going to be further cuts to frontline prevention services coming up thanks to the ring-fencing of 'Supporting People' funding ending in the next year or so. Add that to the clusterf**k of Universal Credit coming in... and... it's going to be bleak to say the least.
Just thought I'd add some first hand knowledge and experience to a thread where people (including you) seem to think that all rough sleepers are out on the streets by choice. A small percentage are, in honesty, due to the fact that the homeless hostels you mentioned are not the best, safest, places in the world for vulnerable people - not matter how good the staff are.
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
I don't need to, the Council are more than aware that not enough is being done to prevent homelessness and there are going to be further cuts to frontline prevention services coming up thanks to the ring-fencing of 'Supporting People' funding ending in the next year or so. Add that to the clusterf**k of Universal Credit coming in... and... it's going to be bleak to say the least.
Just thought I'd add some first hand knowledge and experience to a thread where people (including you) seem to think that all rough sleepers are out on the streets by choice. A small percentage are, in honesty, due to the fact that the homeless hostels you mentioned are not the best, safest, places in the world for vulnerable people - not matter how good the staff are.
Indeed , very hostile environments
Re: Fao Sludge re: Homeless
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
I don't need to, the Council are more than aware that not enough is being done to prevent homelessness and there are going to be further cuts to frontline prevention services coming up thanks to the ring-fencing of 'Supporting People' funding ending in the next year or so. Add that to the clusterf**k of Universal Credit coming in... and... it's going to be bleak to say the least.
Just thought I'd add some first hand knowledge and experience to a thread where people (including you) seem to think that all rough sleepers are out on the streets by choice. A small percentage are, in honesty, due to the fact that the homeless hostels you mentioned are not the best, safest, places in the world for vulnerable people - not matter how good the staff are.
So you are implying that a Labour councillor from a Labour led Council is being less than truthful. I interpreted her remarks as meaning there's adequate provision for no-one to have to sleep rough but we can't help those who choose not to help themselves.
