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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Rishi Sunak was the chancellor who approved absolutely unprecedented government spending on the greatest welfare scheme in British history that kept literally millions in work during the pandemic.
Lazy tropes are deployed by both left and right, as you have handily demonstrated above.
He had no choice , same with the energy bills although they cocked that up
The Tories don't do welfare because they care they do it because if they didn't there would be rioting
It's not a character trait of the Tories to be kind
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
Canton Kev
You say it as if his hand wasn't forced. The furlough scheme would've been implemented whether it was Churchill, Thatcher, Corbyn, Truss or Ozzy Osbourne in charge.
Course it would have been
The Tories havnt suddenly developed a social conscience
They are snakes
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Rishi Sunak was the chancellor who approved absolutely unprecedented government spending on the greatest welfare scheme in British history that kept literally millions in work during the pandemic.
Lazy tropes are deployed by both left and right, as you have handily demonstrated above.
Yes he was,but weren't the UK one of the last countries to implement such a scheme. It was also open to huge fraud of about £6bn. A bit more planning and tighter controls over the scheme and the bounceback loans and the current dilemmas he faces now wouldn't be as bad as they currently are.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
Last few responses are incredible.
First you speak as if it didn't happen.
Then you say he only did it cos he was forced
Then it's the case that every politician would have done it.
Instead of all your mental gymnastics, why not just accept the reality: Politics isn't as black and white as you wish it was. Not all of the people who belong to the party you don't vote for are animals, they are all capable of good and bad.
There's plenty of reasons to criticise the Tories, but when you do it for every single thing, even made up things that exist in your own heads, it just exposes your motivation.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
Oh calm down with your faux outrage. Do you think Sunak implemented the furlough scheme because he wanted to help the working class or needed to to avoid chaos?
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Last few responses are incredible.
First you speak as if it didn't happen.
Then you say he only did it cos he was forced
Then it's the case that every politician would have done it.
Instead of all your mental gymnastics, why not just accept the reality: Politics isn't as black and white as you wish it was. Not all of the people who belong to the party you don't vote for are animals, they are all capable of good and bad.
There's plenty of reasons to criticise the Tories, but when you do it for every single thing, even made up things that exist in your own heads, it just exposes your motivation.
James if you have nothing useful to reply with, you don't need to turn on the condescending machine.
What I will say is I don't specifically remember anybody on here arguing against the scope/size of the furlough scheme at the time on here except me. I still hold the same view, that some kind of support scheme was necessary but that ours made little sense the more it unravelled. It felt a bit like Corbyn's manifesto where more and more imaginary money came leaking up through the floorboards as time went on. We are all paying for lack of measured response and scrutiny now and will be for the rest of our lives.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Rishi Sunak was the chancellor who approved absolutely unprecedented government spending on the greatest welfare scheme in British history that kept literally millions in work during the pandemic.
Lazy tropes are deployed by both left and right, as you have handily demonstrated above.
Lest we forget.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqQvrqunp8
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Says it all. A Tory member.
I wonder if he voted Brexit.😂😂😂
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
Canton Kev
Oh calm down with your faux outrage. Do you think Sunak implemented the furlough scheme because he wanted to help the working class or needed to to avoid chaos?
You are presupposing.
When Labour help the working class its because they are moral and its the right thing to do. When the Tories do it it is to avoid rioting in the streets.
Do any of you actually read what you write and consider it objectively?
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
The Bloop
Yes he was,but weren't the UK one of the last countries to implement such a scheme. It was also open to huge fraud of about £6bn. A bit more planning and tighter controls over the scheme and the bounceback loans and the current dilemmas he faces now wouldn't be as bad as they currently are.
The issue with controls is that you need to get the money into the economy fast and to do that you have to ensure that applications are processed quickly. It was a trade off and it was expected that there would be fraud.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
You are presupposing.
When Labour help the working class its because they are moral and its the right thing to do. When the Tories do it it is to avoid rioting in the streets.
Do any of you actually read what you write and consider it objectively?
You are presupposing.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
James if you have nothing useful to reply with, you don't need to turn on the condescending machine.
What I will say is I don't specifically remember anybody on here arguing against the scope/size of the furlough scheme at the time on here except me. I still hold the same view, that some kind of support scheme was necessary but that ours made little sense the more it unravelled. It felt a bit like Corbyn's manifesto where more and more imaginary money came leaking up through the floorboards as time went on. We are all paying for lack of measured response and scrutiny now and will be for the rest of our lives.
I think it's a valid reply to point out to people who dish out the usual tropes about him not caring about poorer people etc that the scale of help given to people in the pandemic was absolutely unprecedented. There's people on CCMB who would have lost jobs, homes and maybe lots more without it.
Yes, any chancellor would have done it, but therefore every chancellor should be praised for it.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
You are presupposing.
Well done. here's a Bunty badge.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I think it's a valid reply to point out to people who dish out the usual tropes about him not caring about poorer people etc that the scale of help given to people in the pandemic was absolutely unprecedented. There's people on CCMB who would have lost jobs, homes and maybe lots more without it.
Yes, any chancellor would have done it, but therefore every chancellor should be praised for it.
What a turncoat you are
Only a few days ago you were voting for starmer
Now you up to your nuts in the Tories again
You were clearly bullshitting all along
Your credibility is down the toilet sonny
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
You are presupposing.
When Labour help the working class its because they are moral and its the right thing to do. When the Tories do it it is to avoid rioting in the streets.
Do any of you actually read what you write and consider it objectively?
A true working class hero…
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25...yorks%29/votes
Voted for reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change
Always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
Consistently voted for reducing capital gains tax
Generally voted against more powers for local councils
Generally voted for reducing central government funding of local government
Generally voted for reducing the rate of corporation tax
Voted against making rental properties fit for human habitation
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
Canton Kev
A true working class hero…
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25...yorks%29/votes
Voted for reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients
Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change
Always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
Consistently voted for reducing capital gains tax
Generally voted against more powers for local councils
Generally voted for reducing central government funding of local government
Generally voted for reducing the rate of corporation tax
Voted against making rental properties fit for human habitation
you may want to check how Rishi voted before posting such nonsense.
for example, Rishi voted against reducing CGT rate
And I never said he was a working class hero. I said he was a centrist.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
Fair enough, I read that one wrong. Doubling checking the others and they're correct however.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
What a turncoat you are
Only a few days ago you were voting for starmer
Now you up to your nuts in the Tories again
You were clearly bullshitting all along
Your credibility is down the toilet sonny
Politics is a Newcastle United shirt to you Sludgey.
The reality for me and for most others is very different.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
You are presupposing.
When Labour help the working class its because they are moral and its the right thing to do. When the Tories do it it is to avoid rioting in the streets.
Do any of you actually read what you write and consider it objectively?
Labour or Tory, there would have been riots if people were told not go to work and not compensated for the money they stood to lose - the furlough scheme, or something like it, had to be introduced.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Labour or Tory, there would have been riots if people were told not go to work and not compensated for the money they stood to lose - the furlough scheme, or something like it, had to be introduced.
This is the same tory govt that reduced the 20 quid increase in universal credit as soon as they could
Utter bastards
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Labour or Tory, there would have been riots if people were told not go to work and not compensated for the money they stood to lose - the furlough scheme, or something like it, had to be introduced.
crisis event > furlough > economic chaos > great reset
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Labour or Tory, there would have been riots if people were told not go to work and not compensated for the money they stood to lose - the furlough scheme, or something like it, had to be introduced.
I domt disagree.
My comment was about the left saying the Tories do it through gritted teeth. There is no evidence for this other than political bluster
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
I domt disagree.
My comment was about the left saying the Tories do it through gritted teeth. There is no evidence for this other than political bluster
Other than their actions over the last 12 years and manifesto pledges.
You cant use public spending decisions during a crisis like COVID or the one we are currently in to determine what a party stands for in normal times.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Other than their actions over the last 12 years and manifesto pledges.
You cant use public spending decisions during a crisis like COVID or the one we are currently in to determine what a party stands for in normal times.
I agree
Thats why it's wrong to say the Tories acted reluctantly. There is no evidence they did.
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Re: Rishi Sunak First Black PM ?? Muslim v Islam Eeek
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Originally Posted by
DryCleaning
I agree
Thats why it's wrong to say the Tories acted reluctantly. There is no evidence they did.
Would the massive reluctance to extend the furlough scheme (which under pressure he eventually did), be an indication that it would have initially been through gritted teeth?
