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This reminds me of my dad watching a cracking 4-4 draw and spending the whole game moaning about the commentators. Why is your main takeaway from the excessive waste, corruption and fraud during COVID, what some guy said? Deflection?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It is quite ironic that the revisionists that James often cuddles with are the main perpetrators of the £37 billion myth on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
That said as numerous contemporaneous posts on this board will attest, this was a crisis made worse by political decision making.
At the outset of the crisis the UK had a (mothballed) contingency plan for epidemics built around a test and trace capability structured around central government hub but driven by local government resources.
Instead of building out from that and drawing in private sector support, the government in its wisdom bypassed this resource, centralised decision making around Dido Harding and made it an almost private sector gig. It would be interesting to see the surge in Serco and Deloitte profits in that period.
The biggest scandal around the app was not that it cost £35 m. Eyewatering but small change in the scheme of things. It was that a decision was made to make it one of Johnson's jingoist projects.
One minute when it was promised it was "world beating", then when it failed and we reverted to tried tested and readily available apple/google technology it became "the cherry on the cake".
It was time, not money that was the crucial waste turning something that could have benefitted our lives by reducing or removing restrictions into an indulgent toy!
I don't doubt it, COVID was a great time for companies to exploit the public sector!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Cuddles with? What are you going on about? I'm saying track and trace, like most of Covid was used as a political football and cited an example of an MP telling a total fabrication, whilst conceding governments still made huge errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
What issue could you possibly have with that, apart from arguing for the sake of it?
I don't think I was replying to you but I did mention you in dispatches. Basically, the guy(s) who have sounded off about £37b are TWGL1 and Wales-Bales.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Most of the rest of us at the time recognised test and trace as probably the most fundamental element of an epidemic management system. Others saw it retrospectively as a monumental waste of time.
The overwhelming majority of my post was addressed at the points made at the time and the political decisions made that in my view undermined rather than supported the recovery effort. If you want to demur then this is the place to be!
Yes you did mention me, and you weren't accurate so it's fair to comment!Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I dont think it was a waste of time. I think the restrictions were questionable and I don't think we got value for money across the board.
I'm not sure who moaned the most about the erroneous £37bn cost of it, but the point I was making was illustrated with an elected MP doing it..which carries more weight than whatever a couple of posters on this message board say..not to downplay CCMBs importance to global discourse.
I had some mistaken idea that in responding you might get over the first sentence and have some contra-view on the rest, given that you think the government's response should be viewed without a political lens.Live and learn!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
No, you lost me at the image of me cuddling up to these characters off the internet I don't know!Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I couldn't recover from that point.
Fair point, with those personas you never know whether you might rack up to an orgy with A list sporting celebs from their school or some basement flat in Barry!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's a tough pick choosing who to cuddle up with on here tbf. Sludge seems more stable since the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I heard that Clandestine, Lither, NinianOpinion1927, RedSetter, RonnieBird and a few others went to one of those wild parties and were never seen again. Take care!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Exactly! Hence nipping in the bud your visions of cuddling!Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Mad this is, I've never seen anything like it. No idea what prompted it but I bet he'll be an independent MP before the end of Monday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qdzqjlq2ko
You sure ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://youtu.be/WKM6nn8ie2A?si=m4ggLMOdzBZF8ymp
Mullet haired tory farmer boy 0
Socialism 1
That is a very fair point..
God that Prescott thing looks mad now. I remember at the time thinking it wasn't a big story
it's only a Labour MP auditioning to replace TR who'll be locked up shortly,Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
nothing to see move on.
The videos on X are quite damning, cannot see any mitigation although we do not know what the guy said to him. Now looking to see if two tier kier is as keen to apply swift justice, we all want equal justice dont we ?. Would be a nice combo with TR in a two person cell
Fair play it was a left hook that Iron Mike would have been proud of.
The right wing are full of shit
Spend years moaning about the country going downhill , we want stiffer sentences , we are too soft , give them 5 years , lock em up , bring back capital punishment ....blah blah blah
This MP is apparently threatened on the street , hands out what these keyboard street fighters say they want ......a leathering
And they are all now crying like babies all over the internet .....lefty scum ..lol
What a bunch of poncey hypocrites
They have spent the summer cheering on the rioters , cried when their patriotic heroes end up behind bars .....and now a bloke bangs out a thug and they are acting like social workers......jumping to the defence of the gobby clown who got taught a lesson
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Who on earth is saying all that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I think it's hell of a story and I want to know what the guy said to him. It's plainly completely unacceptable for an MP to be lamping people on the street and then again when he's on the floor though.
I think it's greatQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
And the fact the right wing idiots are crying like babies over an action they normally support to the hilt .....aggro , strong punishment etc etc .....is great
In the one video, you can see he's clearly bolloxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, just imagine if it was Jacob Rees mogg or one of the reform mob.
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If it was of those nuts you lot would be pleading for the police to let him goQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Fck reform the soppy tarts
Literally no one is crying like a baby. Such a bizarre man!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I amQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
And I hope the bloke is given a 500 quid holiday if it comes out he was abused and threatened and banged him one
And the prize is given by starmer , on the news , live
Just to really piss off right wingers who for years have been the first to call for an end to soft justice
But following their pals rioting and getting 3 years they are all crying two tier keir
Absolute ponces , don't like it up em
Oh yes they are , all over the internet , right wing poncey press who last year would have been cheering a member of the public defending himself like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Now crying about it
Tough