New Labour Scandal

[Eric Cartman]

Sure, but people were making the claim in late 2022 too.

Here is Labour MP Karl Turner doing it. He was only £36.965bn out.

https://fullfact.org/health/karl-tur...est-trace-app/

This reminds me of my dad watching a cracking 4-4 draw and spending the whole game moaning about the commentators. Why is your main takeaway from the excessive waste, corruption and fraud during COVID, what some guy said? Deflection?

[cyril evans awaydays]

£35 million is also a huge amount for an app with limited functionality like the test and trace app.
Many of my projects involve software in a healthcare setting and several of them involving apps - none have got anywhere near that kind of expense. Although timescales are probably a factor.

My main gripe is after all that money spent it never really worked. I had notifications that I'd been in contact with someone 2 weeks after it happened, so after the quarantine period had already ended.

More incompetence probably than anything else.

It is quite ironic that the revisionists that James often cuddles with are the main perpetrators of the £37 billion myth on here.

That said as numerous contemporaneous posts on this board will attest, this was a crisis made worse by political decision making.

At the outset of the crisis the UK had a (mothballed) contingency plan for epidemics built around a test and trace capability structured around central government hub but driven by local government resources.

Instead of building out from that and drawing in private sector support, the government in its wisdom bypassed this resource, centralised decision making around Dido Harding and made it an almost private sector gig. It would be interesting to see the surge in Serco and Deloitte profits in that period.

The biggest scandal around the app was not that it cost £35 m. Eyewatering but small change in the scheme of things. It was that a decision was made to make it one of Johnson's jingoist projects.

One minute when it was promised it was "world beating", then when it failed and we reverted to tried tested and readily available apple/google technology it became "the cherry on the cake".

It was time, not money that was the crucial waste turning something that could have benefitted our lives by reducing or removing restrictions into an indulgent toy!

[JamesWales]

£35 million is also a huge amount for an app with limited functionality like the test and trace app.
Many of my projects involve software in a healthcare setting and several of them involving apps - none have got anywhere near that kind of expense. Although timescales are probably a factor.

My main gripe is after all that money spent it never really worked. I had notifications that I'd been in contact with someone 2 weeks after it happened, so after the quarantine period had already ended.

More incompetence probably than anything else.

I don't doubt it, COVID was a great time for companies to exploit the public sector!

[JamesWales]

It is quite ironic that the revisionists that James often cuddles with are the main perpetrators of the £37 billion myth on here.

That said as numerous contemporaneous posts on this board will attest, this was a crisis made worse by political decision making.

At the outset of the crisis the UK had a (mothballed) contingency plan for epidemics built around a test and trace capability structured around central government hub but driven by local government resources.

Instead of building out from that and drawing in private sector support, the government in its wisdom bypassed this resource, centralised decision making around Dido Harding and made it an almost private sector gig. It would be interesting to see the surge in Serco and Deloitte profits in that period.

The biggest scandal around the app was not that it cost £35 m. Eyewatering but small change in the scheme of things. It was that a decision was made to make it one of Johnson's jingoist projects.

One minute when it was promised it was "world beating", then when it failed and we reverted to tried tested and readily available apple/google technology it became "the cherry on the cake".

It was time, not money that was the crucial waste turning something that could have benefitted our lives by reducing or removing restrictions into an indulgent toy!

Cuddles with? What are you going on about? I'm saying track and trace, like most of Covid was used as a political football and cited an example of an MP telling a total fabrication, whilst conceding governments still made huge errors.

What issue could you possibly have with that, apart from arguing for the sake of it?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Cuddles with? What are you going on about? I'm saying track and trace, like most of Covid was used as a political football and cited an example of an MP telling a total fabrication, whilst conceding governments still made huge errors.

What issue could you possibly have with that, apart from arguing for the sake of it?

I don't think I was replying to you but I did mention you in dispatches. Basically, the guy(s) who have sounded off about £37b are TWGL1 and Wales-Bales.

Most of the rest of us at the time recognised test and trace as probably the most fundamental element of an epidemic management system. Others saw it retrospectively as a monumental waste of time.

The overwhelming majority of my post was addressed at the points made at the time and the political decisions made that in my view undermined rather than supported the recovery effort. If you want to demur then this is the place to be!

[JamesWales]

I don't think I was replying to you but I did mention you in dispatches. Basically, the guy(s) who have sounded off about £37b are TWGL1 and Wales-Bales.

Most of the rest of us at the time recognised test and trace as probably the most fundamental element of an epidemic management system. Others saw it retrospectively as a monumental waste of time.

The overwhelming majority of my post was addressed at the points made at the time and the political decisions made that in my view undermined rather than supported the recovery effort. If you want to demur then this is the place to be!

Yes you did mention me, and you weren't accurate so it's fair to comment!

I dont think it was a waste of time. I think the restrictions were questionable and I don't think we got value for money across the board.

I'm not sure who moaned the most about the erroneous £37bn cost of it, but the point I was making was illustrated with an elected MP doing it..which carries more weight than whatever a couple of posters on this message board say..not to downplay CCMBs importance to global discourse.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Yes you did mention me, and you weren't accurate so it's fair to comment!

I dont think it was a waste of time. I think the restrictions were questionable and I don't think we got value for money across the board.

I'm not sure who moaned the most about the erroneous £37bn cost of it, but the point I was making was illustrated with an elected MP doing it..which carries more weight than whatever a couple of posters on this message board say..not to downplay CCMBs importance to global discourse.

I had some mistaken idea that in responding you might get over the first sentence and have some contra-view on the rest, given that you think the government's response should be viewed without a political lens.Live and learn!

[JamesWales]

I had some mistaken idea that in responding you might get over the first sentence and have some contra-view on the rest, given that you think the government's response should be viewed without a political lens.Live and learn!

No, you lost me at the image of me cuddling up to these characters off the internet I don't know!

I couldn't recover from that point.

[cyril evans awaydays]

No, you lost me at the image of me cuddling up to these characters off the internet I don't know!

I couldn't recover from that point.

Fair point, with those personas you never know whether you might rack up to an orgy with A list sporting celebs from their school or some basement flat in Barry!

[JamesWales]

Fair point, with those personas you never know whether you might rack up to an orgy with A list sporting celebs from their school or some basement flat in Barry!

It's a tough pick choosing who to cuddle up with on here tbf. Sludge seems more stable since the election.

[cyril evans awaydays]

It's a tough pick choosing who to cuddle up with on here tbf. Sludge seems more stable since the election.

I heard that Clandestine, Lither, NinianOpinion1927, RedSetter, RonnieBird and a few others went to one of those wild parties and were never seen again. Take care!

[jeepster]

I heard that Clandestine, Lither, NinianOpinion1927, RedSetter, RonnieBird and a few others went to one of those wild parties and were never seen again. Take care!

[JamesWales]

I heard that Clandestine, Lither, NinianOpinion1927, RedSetter, RonnieBird and a few others went to one of those wild parties and were never seen again. Take care!

Exactly! Hence nipping in the bud your visions of cuddling!

[JamesWales]

Mad this is, I've never seen anything like it. No idea what prompted it but I bet he'll be an independent MP before the end of Monday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qdzqjlq2ko

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Mad this is, I've never seen anything like it. No idea what prompted it but I bet he'll be an independent MP before the end of Monday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qdzqjlq2ko

You sure ?

https://youtu.be/WKM6nn8ie2A?si=m4ggLMOdzBZF8ymp

Mullet haired tory farmer boy 0

Socialism 1

[JamesWales]

That is a very fair point..

God that Prescott thing looks mad now. I remember at the time thinking it wasn't a big story

[Heathblue]

Mad this is, I've never seen anything like it. No idea what prompted it but I bet he'll be an independent MP before the end of Monday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qdzqjlq2ko

it's only a Labour MP auditioning to replace TR who'll be locked up shortly,
nothing to see move on.

The videos on X are quite damning, cannot see any mitigation although we do not know what the guy said to him. Now looking to see if two tier kier is as keen to apply swift justice, we all want equal justice dont we ?. Would be a nice combo with TR in a two person cell
Fair play it was a left hook that Iron Mike would have been proud of.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The right wing are full of shit

Spend years moaning about the country going downhill , we want stiffer sentences , we are too soft , give them 5 years , lock em up , bring back capital punishment ....blah blah blah

This MP is apparently threatened on the street , hands out what these keyboard street fighters say they want ......a leathering

And they are all now crying like babies all over the internet .....lefty scum ..lol

What a bunch of poncey hypocrites

They have spent the summer cheering on the rioters , cried when their patriotic heroes end up behind bars .....and now a bloke bangs out a thug and they are acting like social workers......jumping to the defence of the gobby clown who got taught a lesson

🤣

[JamesWales]

The right wing are full of shit

Spend years moaning about the country going downhill , we want stiffer sentences , we are too soft , give them 5 years , lock em up , bring back capital punishment ....blah blah blah

This MP is apparently threatened on the street , hands out what these keyboard street fighters say they want ......a leathering

And they are all now crying like babies all over the internet .....lefty scum ..lol

What a bunch of poncey hypocrites

They have spent the summer cheering on the rioters , cried when their patriotic heroes end up behind bars .....and now a bloke bangs out a thug and they are acting like social workers......jumping to the defence of the gobby clown who got taught a lesson

🤣

Who on earth is saying all that?

I think it's hell of a story and I want to know what the guy said to him. It's plainly completely unacceptable for an MP to be lamping people on the street and then again when he's on the floor though.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Who on earth is saying all that?

I think it's hell of a story and I want to know what the guy said to him. It's plainly completely unacceptable for an MP to be lamping people on the street and then again when he's on the floor though.

I think it's great

And the fact the right wing idiots are crying like babies over an action they normally support to the hilt .....aggro , strong punishment etc etc .....is great

[Heathblue]

Who on earth is saying all that?

I think it's hell of a story and I want to know what the guy said to him. It's plainly completely unacceptable for an MP to be lamping people on the street and then again when he's on the floor though.

In the one video, you can see he's clearly bolloxed.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, just imagine if it was Jacob Rees mogg or one of the reform mob.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

In the one video, you can see he's clearly bolloxed.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, just imagine if it was Jacob Rees mogg or one of the reform mob.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

If it was of those nuts you lot would be pleading for the police to let him go

Fck reform the soppy tarts

[JamesWales]

I think it's great

And the fact the right wing idiots are crying like babies over an action they normally support to the hilt .....aggro , strong punishment etc etc .....is great

Literally no one is crying like a baby. Such a bizarre man!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Who on earth is saying all that?

I think it's hell of a story and I want to know what the guy said to him. It's plainly completely unacceptable for an MP to be lamping people on the street and then again when he's on the floor though.

I am

And I hope the bloke is given a 500 quid holiday if it comes out he was abused and threatened and banged him one

And the prize is given by starmer , on the news , live

Just to really piss off right wingers who for years have been the first to call for an end to soft justice

But following their pals rioting and getting 3 years they are all crying two tier keir

Absolute ponces , don't like it up em

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Literally no one is crying like a baby. Such a bizarre man!

Oh yes they are , all over the internet , right wing poncey press who last year would have been cheering a member of the public defending himself like this

Now crying about it

Tough