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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mario Miethig
The early to mid 80s were pretty scary times, especially with Reagan with his very anti Soviet and Evil Empire rhetoric. Plus I saw a documentary a few years back, about how the Soviets were on the brink of setting their Nuclear Arsenal on us, because their computer systems malfunctioned and they thought they were being attacked by NATO. The fella on duty that day was later fired, because he never pressed the alarm to inform his superiors that NATO were attacking. His gut instinct was that something was not right and he was proved correct.
A big difference between now and the 80s though, is that Putin takes no crap. Back in the 80s the Soviets had very old unwell men, like Brezhnev, Chernenko and Andropov in charge, who probably didn't have a clue what was going on.
God help us. The ignorance and deluded perceptions of the modern young generation are truly astounding. Go and ask a citizen of any former Soviet occupied European country what they thought of Ronald Reagan. They are slightly more qualified to pass comment than some pampered iPhone-addicted airhead which constitute the ranks of modern youth.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
The South China Sea is a huge flashpoint. The Philippines recently won their case in the Hague, but China have stated that they do not recognise the ruling. There are American military in the area, and the Philippines has just elected a new leader who may, very well, decide to side with China anyway - because the recent court case was brought forward by his predecessor.
The new Philippine president is an interesting character to say the least and I recommend that people read up on what has been happening there in the last 3 weeks, particularly their clamp-down on drug lords and drug dealers.
If anything is going to "kick off" it will be in the South China Sea, or the Middle East. The American elections are the key event of the next 6 months.
And it's not beyond the realms of possibility that China could invade Taiwan.
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You can only die once . Be it on the cobbles of coronation street or by Putins henchmen we are all on a countdown to the slab
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Colonel Cærdiffi
Do you also miss the draft and rationing?
No just newsnight clips of statues falling down, and the orange glow of night skys
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Totally agree.
This could be the start of seriously major problems within Turkey, Europe and the Middle East.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
jackrabbit
God help us. The ignorance and deluded perceptions of the modern young generation are truly astounding. Go and ask a citizen of any former Soviet occupied European country what they thought of Ronald Reagan. They are slightly more qualified to pass comment than some pampered iPhone-addicted airhead which constitute the ranks of modern youth.
What Mario said sounds about right to me.
http://www.history.com/news/history-...ar-close-calls
Putin is a very dangerous man indeed.
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Originally Posted by
JDerrida
Totally agree.
This could be the start of seriously major problems within Turkey, Europe and the Middle East.
Let's hope Europe doesn't start poking their noses into the mess that is Turkey at least he's trying to keep the genies in their bottles as did Sadam and Assad until the west's intervention so let him get on with it.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
France doubled up and went for 6.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
JDerrida
Totally agree.
This could be the start of seriously major problems within Turkey, Europe and the Middle East.
That seems to be the plan, eventually all the states of emergency will become one massive state of emergency, like a new world order kinda thing :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
France doubled up and went for 6.
Did they? Sneaky feckers.
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Tony Blair took us into an illegal war on the misconception that Iraq had acquired weapons of mass destruction. The number of troops and Iraqi civilians killed does not bear thinking about. Even today with the war officially over, civilians are being killed on a daily basis by insurgents. A lifelong, Labour voter, I vowed never to vote for Tony Blair or the governments he represents ever again after his scandal-ridden premiership. But when he did that 'am I bovvered' sketch with Catherine Tait on Comic Relief night, I screamed with laughter and thought, well done Tony, you've got my vote back.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Llanedeyrnblue
Let's hope Europe doesn't start poking their noses into the mess that is Turkey at least he's trying to keep the genies in their bottles as did Sadam and Assad until the west's intervention so let him get on with it.
Turkey is in the process of changing from a relatively educated and safe secular state for the last 94 years, after Ataturk changed its constitution.
However, under the dictatorship of Erdogan, Turkey is fast becoming an Islamic state where anyone who says anything other than what Erdogan wants to hear, will be jailed.
Erdogan has suspended the European convention on Human Rights. How far will he go to oppress Turkish people, will he kill his own people for disagreeing with him. How far will he be allowed to go? How far is too far?
Strangely enough, Angela Merkel has let the prosecution go ahead of a German comedian who read out a poem about Erdogan.
What plan has Merkel got, as it seems her journey is very different to many others in Europe.
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
That seems to be the plan, eventually all the states of emergency will become one massive state of emergency, like a new world order kinda thing :hehe:
Did they? Sneaky feckers.
Our new PM looks like she might be up for a bit of ML, any predictions?
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Thank goodness we live in a civilised country. You wouldn't see Britons and Americans going around needlessly killing folk.
Oh hang on.....
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I hate war it makes our life upside down, to stop it!
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
That seems to be the plan, eventually all the states of emergency will become one massive state of emergency, like a new world order kinda thing :hehe:
Did they? Sneaky feckers.
A state of emergency and there were no national police in Nice apparently, somebody must have been telling porkies.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
A state of emergency and there were no national police in Nice apparently, somebody must have been telling porkies.
What are "national police" ?
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
What are "national police" ?
Heavily armed bad mf'ers you don't want to mess with :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
What are "national police" ?
In many countries you get "local" police answerable to the local mayor and a national police.
Like America for example, where at a major crime scene you'll have the Sherriff's dept representing the county, Municipal (City) Police, State Police and the Feds
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Originally Posted by
TH63
In many countries you get "local" police answerable to the local mayor and a national police.
Like America for example, where at a major crime scene you'll have the Sherriff's dept representing the county, Municipal (City) Police, State Police and the Feds
And they've got bigger guns and are better trained in things like anti-terrorism.
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i wouldnt want us to mess with turkey as it would kick off world war 3 i reckon. how about we start with malta and work our way up to bigger countries when we are more confident?
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
TH63
In many countries you get "local" police answerable to the local mayor and a national police.
Like America for example, where at a major crime scene you'll have the Sherriff's dept representing the county, Municipal (City) Police, State Police and the Feds
Cheers. :thumbup:
That being the case it's probably not that strange that there wasn't any located around the Bastille celebrations in Nice that day? Would something like that require more than a small local police presence?
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
A state of emergency and there were no national police in Nice apparently, somebody must have been telling porkies.
Was the police response deficient in Nice?
By my understanding they stopped the guy pretty quickly, it's not as though he went on a 3 day rampage.
If national police had been somewhere in nice would it have been any different?
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
Cheers. :thumbup:
That being the case it's probably not that strange that there wasn't any located around the Bastille celebrations in Nice that day? Would something like that require more than a small local police presence?
Just looked it up, and from the start of the attack to the police shooting him dead was less than 15 minutes.
Unless the national police were literally waiting for him at the place he was going to attack it is difficult to see how their presence would have made much difference
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Just looked it up, and from the start of the attack to the police shooting him dead was less than 15 minutes.
Unless the national police were literally waiting for him at the place he was going to attack it is difficult to see how their presence would have made much difference
The entrance to the promenade should have be blocked off, with a checkpoint established and patrolled by the sufficietly armed national police (there is a state of emergency in force). Instead the entrance was left open with two local officers standing by. To the point, it would have made a massive amount of difference as no vehicle would have entered that area.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The entrance to the promenade should have be blocked off, with a checkpoint established and patrolled by the sufficietly armed national police (there is a state of emergency in force). Instead the entrance was left open with two local officers standing by. To the point, it would have made a massive amount of difference as no vehicle would have entered that area.
I agree, although it must be a nightmare trying to balance freedom and security, plus how far do you go? Take airports for example, we appear to have managed to stop the buggers sneaking stuff through security so instead they target the non-airside parts. Next step is to screen anyone going into the arrivals/departure hall. Then they'll be hitting the car parks, where do you stop, Tescos?
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The entrance to the promenade should have be blocked off, with a checkpoint established and patrolled by the sufficietly armed national police (there is a state of emergency in force). Instead the entrance was left open with two local officers standing by. To the point, it would have made a massive amount of difference as no vehicle would have entered that area.
Promenade des anglais which I think is where it took place is a huge main road, there must be dozens of ways to get onto it.
Unless they specifically knew that this tyoe of attack was planned it's difficult to expect massive security on every junction with the road.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The entrance to the promenade should have be blocked off, with a checkpoint established and patrolled by the sufficietly armed national police (there is a state of emergency in force). Instead the entrance was left open with two local officers standing by. To the point, it would have made a massive amount of difference as no vehicle would have entered that area.
Hindsight with 20:20 vision. It's a quite wonderful thing.
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Re: Shaping up for war in Europe
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Originally Posted by
Elysium
Hindsight with 20:20 vision. It's a quite wonderful thing.
What are you talking about? Every organised outdoor event is a target. It's not as though the people just turned up there randomly. Thank feck you are not in charge of law and order.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
What are you talking about? Every organised outdoor event is a target. It's not as though the people just turned up there randomly. Thank feck you are not in charge of law and order.
Hence why there was Police there. :shrug:
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
Hence why there was Police there. :shrug:
All two of them.
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It is literally meaningless claiming what should have been done in Nice.
The police forces can only do so much.
You cannot have mass forces protecting every celebration on Bastille day.
It is impossible.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
What are you talking about? Every organised outdoor event is a target. It's not as though the people just turned up there randomly. Thank feck you are not in charge of law and order.
It was Bastille day though- celebrations in every town and village in France. The national police cannothave been everywhere.
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Originally Posted by
شهرستان کاردیف
It is literally meaningless claiming what should have been done in Nice.
The police forces can only do so much.
You cannot have mass forces protecting every celebration on Bastille day.
It is impossible.
Exactly, I'm sure they weren't all having the day off
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
All two of them.
It's just not good enough, we must have more security :hehe:
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And the above poster that says the news has been boring wants to switch off the welsh news.
Stories about people stealing traffic cones when hundreds of thousands have died in the middle east in the past 10 years.
If Ukraine is anything go by. Most large nations will do all possible to avoid direct conflict now.
Struggling to see who in europe would fight each other. Or why any european would fight other countries.
The past 10-15 years in the middle east will be talked about in a hundred years time.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
It was Bastille day though- celebrations in every town and village in France. The national police cannothave been everywhere.
Mayaswell cancel the state of emergency then, if they are not up to it.
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Originally Posted by
شهرستان کاردیف
It is literally meaningless claiming what should have been done in Nice.
The police forces can only do so much.
You cannot have mass forces protecting every celebration on Bastille day.
It is impossible.
I hope a war does't break out, if they can t police a few firework displays they'll have feck all chance if another army invades.
FYI they have got 10,000 army and police on stanby to do these kinds of things, plus more in reserve.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Mayaswell cancel the state of emergency then, if they are not up to it.
You can't stop everything. I'm sure even a doom monger like yourself appreciates that?
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
You can't stop everything. I'm sure even a doom monger like yourself appreciates that?
Doom monger :hehe: The way you're going on you make it sound as though Nice is a tiny village in the middle of nowhere.
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
You can't stop everything. I'm sure even a doom monger like yourself appreciates that?
We can stop a nuclear attack though can't we? :biggrin: