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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
TruBlue
I don't see the formation as the problem, the issue is if you keep getting rid of players and bringing worse ones in, it's always going to be a downward spiral.
This - but Tan has to recoup £200m somehow. Just wondering, does the football club look like it's had £200m of investment on and off the pitch? On second thoughts, I'll save that question for a Swansea thread :-D
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
Over those 40 games, they were averaging more than a point a game. What's Trollope's average?
Trollope has been in charge for 6 games can't compare the 2 yet
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
darran1927
Trollope has been in charge for 6 games can't compare the 2 yet
Exactly
Slades first 6 games in charge of Cardiff yielded a very impressive 13 points, the next 6 games 5 points and the next 6 games just 4 points.
You can't make fair comparisons on 46 game season v a block of 6 games.
If we are still averaging under a point a game after 46 games then we will be relegated.
I don't think we will be relegated and expect the points per game ratio to increase once Trollope gets his full side out and system settled.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
Simply put, City have replaced their average no1 Russell Slade, with an average no2.
Trollope was holding a half decent (not brilliant) reputation as a coach, not a manager.
I'm not in the least surprised to see us failing because promoting a no2 is always a gamble.
It's ironic that the start to the season is actually similar to a big sloppy no2.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
To me, the current crop appear to be an average bunch by Championship standards.
Correction. They are an average bunch. Probably an over-hyped average bunch.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Correction. They are an average bunch. Probably an over-hyped average bunch.
We have only had 6 games, surely we need to get to xmas before we go slating the manager and every player in the team?
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Jimmy the Jock
We have only had 6 games, surely we need to get to xmas before we go slating the manager and every player in the team?
No, 6 games in appear to be the benchmark
at this rate the missing fans will never come back, not till the seats in the new stand are blue, the grass is a lighter shade of green and anything else they can think of
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I was surprised to read on Sky Sports News last night that yesterday's defeat at Norwich means Cardiff City have made their worst start to a league campaign in eleven years, but I've checked the stats this morning and the claim is correct.
The points totals after six league games during the last twelve seasons are as follows (managers in brackets):
2005/06 - 5 points (Dave Jones)
2006/07 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2007/08 - 7 points (Dave Jones)
2008/09 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2009/10 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2010/11 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2011/12 - 11 points (Malky Mackay)
2012/13 - 13 points (Malky Mackay)
2013/14 - 8 points (Malky Mackay)
2014/15 - 8 points (Ole Gunnar Solskjaer)
2015/16 - 12 points (Russell Slade)
2016/17 - 5 points (Paul Trollope)
It's a statement of the obvious, but a total of just five points from the first six games is none too clever after what appeared on paper to be a fairly routine set of fixtures by Championship standards (City have so far played only one side who were ranked in the top ten of the division's pre-season favourites - yesterday's opponents Norwich).
THE GRIM REAPER IS BACK.STATING THE ****ING OBVIOUS
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
This - but Tan has to recoup £200m somehow. Just wondering, does the football club look like it's had £200m of investment on and off the pitch?
Of course. Look at how well we're doing.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Jimmy the Jock
We have only had 6 games, surely we need to get to xmas before we go slating the manager and every player in the team?
Nope, not slating the manager and every player.
It's been my opinion that we've had an average bunch for a few seasons. I'd argue that our best squad in recent times was in 2010/11, the last side Jones had. Best not say too much about that, but in terms of attacking prowess, we've had nothing like it since. If we could have had a manager who could have developed a strategy, midfield and a plan B around that side, we'd now be top 10 in the Premier League.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
No, 6 games in appear to be the benchmark
at this rate the missing fans will never come back, not till the seats in the new stand are blue, the grass is a lighter shade of green and anything else they can think of
And the faithful will be there week in week out rain or shine grumble yes,but we will be there because we support the team.:thumbup:
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
I'm hoping that Huws will add some creativity and steel in midfield that will see the system work.
If the 3-5-2 doesn't gel within the next month, we should revert to type...but I really hope that Harris remains in the XI.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Wash DC Blue
I'm hoping that Huws will add some creativity and steel in midfield that will see the system work.
If the 3-5-2 doesn't gel within the next month, we should revert to type...but I really hope that Harris remains in the XI.
Same here. Something we have been desperately missing for a few seasons. Why he hasn't been starting since he got here beats me.
Spedger
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
dandywarhol
THE GRIM REAPER IS BACK.STATING THE ****ING OBVIOUS
He loves it-and the thread has played right into his hands.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
Players should be able to pass, move and construct attacks whatever formation the line up is.
Endless managerial talk about systems drives me round the twist when the basics are missing.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
GRUMPYS DEN
He loves it-and the thread has played right into his hands.
I think deep down the re-brand was the best thing thats ever happened to him
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
I think deep down the re-brand was the best thing thats ever happened to him
It has proved a major positive, that's for sure.
Somehow, I don't think it's the best thing that's ever happened to CCFC, though.
:thumbup:
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
I think deep down the re-brand was the best thing thats ever happened to him
He'll be back when there is more bad news to smirk about:ayatollah:
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I was surprised to read on Sky Sports News last night that yesterday's defeat at Norwich means Cardiff City have made their worst start to a league campaign in eleven years, but I've checked the stats this morning and the claim is correct.
The points totals after six league games during the last twelve seasons are as follows (managers in brackets):
2005/06 - 5 points (Dave Jones)
2006/07 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2007/08 - 7 points (Dave Jones)
2008/09 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2009/10 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2010/11 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2011/12 - 11 points (Malky Mackay)
2012/13 - 13 points (Malky Mackay)
2013/14 - 8 points (Malky Mackay)
2014/15 - 8 points (Ole Gunnar Solskjaer)
2015/16 - 12 points (Russell Slade)
2016/17 - 5 points (Paul Trollope)
It's a statement of the obvious, but a total of just five points from the first six games is none too clever after what appeared on paper to be a fairly routine set of fixtures by Championship standards (City have so far played only one side who were ranked in the top ten of the division's pre-season favourites - yesterday's opponents Norwich).
Oh for five points after 6 games, but back then lower level teams to start with.
It does seem similar where the Manager finds himself out of his depth.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
tigerbaybluebird
Look it's another negative thread from Mr pejorative himself
There's a surprise
:hehe:
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
Good bounce. Some great comments from my 2016 fan club, most of whom have since disappeared. Much like Trollope, who lasted 11 league games. Will Bulut make it that far?
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
Calm down we've been unlucky. Erol said.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
Imagine being so rattled by someone youve gone back 8 years searching for old posts. :hehe:
What a weapon. :hehe:
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Calm down we've been unlucky. Erol said.
Look Erol is a top manager, it’s simply the point that this slow start has happened because of the
Opponents
Players
Fans
Tea lady
Nothing to do with him, or his tactics, and once Pep retires Man City will be on the lookout for such a visionary coach 🤷*♂️
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
Boy! we’ve suffered some fools at the helm….
…and even bigger fools who repeatedly select, eulogise and then ultimately pay off these idiots.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Calm down we've been unlucky. Erol said.
:hehe:
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Imagine being so rattled by someone youve gone back 8 years searching for old posts. :hehe:
What a weapon. :hehe:
Took 10 seconds butt, I used a computer :hehe:
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Good bounce. Some great comments from my 2016 fan club, most of whom have since disappeared. Much like Trollope, who lasted 11 league games. Will Bulut make it that far?
I doubt it, I fear tomorrow will be even worse after the press conference.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Good bounce. Some great comments from my 2016 fan club, most of whom have since disappeared. Much like Trollope, who lasted 11 league games. Will Bulut make it that far?
To continue your list, if I may:
2005/06 - 5 points (Dave Jones)
2006/07 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2007/08 - 7 points (Dave Jones)
2008/09 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2009/10 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2010/11 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2011/12 - 11 points (Malky Mackay)
2012/13 - 13 points (Malky Mackay)
2013/14 - 8 points (Malky Mackay)
2014/15 - 8 points (Ole Gunnar Solskjaer)
2015/16 - 12 points (Russell Slade)
2016/17 - 5 points (Paul Trollope)
2017/18 - 16 points (Neil Warnock)
2018/19 - 2 points (Neil Warnock)
2019/20 - 8 points (Neil Warnock)
2020/21 - 8 points (Neil Harris)
2021/22 - 11 points (Mick McCarthy)
2022/23 - 8 points (Steve Morison)
2023/24 - 7 points (Erol Bulut)
2024/25 - 1 point (Erol Bulut) *after 5 games
Our worst start ever to a season was back in 1921/22, when we lost all 6 matches. We finished 4th in the First Division, so maybe all hope isn't lost yet!
4 points is the most we can get this season after 6 games. These are the seasons we've managed 4 points or fewer after the opening 6 fixtures. There are 12 in all and we were relegated in half of those seasons. There have only been 2 out of 7 seasons where we've managed 3 points or fewer where we've stayed up. Of the 7 seasons we've failed to win any of our first 6 games, we've been relegated 4 times.
1921/22 - 0 points. Finished 4th in Division One.
1930/31 - 1 point. Finished 22nd in Division Two. Relegated.
1989/90 - 2 points. Finished 21st in Division Three. Relegated.
2018/19 - 2 points. Finished 18th in the Premier League. Relegated.
1971/72 - 3 points (0 wins). Finished 19th in Division Two. Avoided relegation by 1 point and a better goal average.
1984/85 - 3 points (1 win). Finished 21st in Division Two. Relegated.
1994/95 - 3 points (0 wins). Finished 22nd in Division Two (third tier). Relegated.
1952/53 - 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 3 points in old money). Finished 12th in Division One.
1964/65 - 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 3 points in old money). Finished 13th in Division Two.
1974/75 - 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 3 points in old money). Finished 21st in Division Two. Relegated.
1978/79 - 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 3 points in old money). Finished 9th in Division Two.
1964/65 - 4 points (0 wins). Finished 13th in Division Two.
2004/05 - 4 points. Finished 16th in the Championship.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
To continue your list, if I may:
2005/06 - 5 points (Dave Jones)
2006/07 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2007/08 - 7 points (Dave Jones)
2008/09 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2009/10 - 10 points (Dave Jones)
2010/11 - 13 points (Dave Jones)
2011/12 - 11 points (Malky Mackay)
2012/13 - 13 points (Malky Mackay)
2013/14 - 8 points (Malky Mackay)
2014/15 - 8 points (Ole Gunnar Solskjaer)
2015/16 - 12 points (Russell Slade)
2016/17 - 5 points (Paul Trollope)
2017/18 - 16 points (Neil Warnock)
2018/19 - 2 points (Neil Warnock)
2019/20 - 8 points (Neil Warnock)
2020/21 - 8 points (Neil Harris)
2021/22 - 11 points (Mick McCarthy)
2022/23 - 8 points (Steve Morison)
2023/24 - 7 points (Erol Bulut)
2024/25 - 1 point (Erol Bulut) *after 5 games
Our worst start ever to a season was back in 1921/22, when we lost all 6 matches. We finished 4th in the First Division, so maybe all hope isn't lost yet!
4 points is the most we can get this season after 6 games. These are the seasons we've managed 4 points or fewer after the opening 6 fixtures. There are 12 in all and we were relegated in half of those seasons. There have only been 2 out of 7 seasons where we've managed 3 points or fewer where we've stayed up. Of the 7 seasons we've failed to win any of our first 6 games, we've been relegated 4 times.
1921/22 - 0 points. Finished 4th in Division One.
1930/31 - 1 point. Finished 22nd in Division Two. Relegated.
1989/90 - 2 points. Finished 21st in Division Three. Relegated.
2018/19 - 2 points. Finished 18th in the Premier League. Relegated.
1971/72 - 3 points (0 wins). Finished 19th in Division Two. Avoided relegation by 1 point and a better goal average.
1984/85 - 3 points (1 win). Finished 21st in Division Two. Relegated.
1994/95 - 3 points (0 wins). Finished 22nd in Division Two (third tier). Relegated.
1952/53 - 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 3 points in old money). Finished 12th in Division One.
1964/65 - 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 3 points in old money). Finished 13th in Division Two.
1974/75 - 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 3 points in old money). Finished 21st in Division Two. Relegated.
1978/79 - 4 points (1 win, 1 draw, 3 points in old money). Finished 9th in Division Two.
1964/65 - 4 points (0 wins). Finished 13th in Division Two.
2004/05 - 4 points. Finished 16th in the Championship.
Bloody threw my season ticket away after those 6 losses in 1921, championship winning form from then on……..anyone want to catch mine after tomorrow’s match?
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
No No, dont criticise him, you will be on his " hit list " and he will come back with a witty retort ( or not, as is often the case )
:wave:
Aye nothings changed :hehe:
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
Jimmy the Jock
We have only had 6 games, surely we need to get to xmas before we go slating the manager and every player in the team?
Two this season, it has been worse mind.
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Re: Worst start to a season for more than a decade
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Bloody threw my season ticket away after those 6 losses in 1921, championship winning form from then on……..anyone want to catch mine after tomorrow’s match?
Nearly. We won 19 and drew 10 of the last 36 fixtures. Only Liverpool managed 1 draw more over that period. That season Spurs had a slighty dodgy start yet also won 19 of their last 36 fixtures, drawing 8. They leapt from 16th to 2nd.
On the opposite side of the scale, Bradford were 6th after 6 games and were relegated.
