Fao Sludge re: Homeless

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

No idea. But understand from an informed source that the Salvation Army joint is never full. There's another hostel too, Huggard something it's known by.

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You're thinking of Ty Tresilian (Salvation Army) and the Huggard Centre.

Ty Tresilian is a longer-term hostel, the Huggard tends to be for 1 or 2 nights at most and both are full on a regular basis . The street homeless cannot just turn up and expect floor space (the chances of a bed in the Huggard are slim to none as far as I'm aware) in these places. There is a process that needs to be completed before you can even get through the door.

You need to present at Housing Options and make a homeless application - before finding out if there's room for you at a hostel that evening. Become homeless after 4pm or on a weekend? You're f**ked unless you're under 21 as there are no services in Cardiff readily available to help you escape sleeping on the street that evening.

Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

You're thinking of Ty Tresilian (Salvation Army) and the Huggard Centre.

Ty Tresilian is a longer-term hostel, the Huggard tends to be for 1 or 2 nights at most and both are full on a regular basis . The street homeless cannot just turn up and expect floor space (the chances of a bed in the Huggard are slim to none as far as I'm aware) in these places. There is a process that needs to be completed before you can even get through the door.

You need to present at Housing Options and make a homeless application - before finding out if there's room for you at a hostel that evening. Become homeless after 4pm or on a weekend? You're f**ked unless you're under 21 as there are no services in Cardiff readily available to help you escape sleeping on the street that evening.

Hope that helps.

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I doubt it very much mate , you are wasting your time on here with the housing and substance misuse experts

The wallich Clifford community used to have a hostel off Newport road but again access was far from an easy walk in

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

You're thinking of Ty Tresilian (Salvation Army) and the Huggard Centre.

Ty Tresilian is a longer-term hostel, the Huggard tends to be for 1 or 2 nights at most and both are full on a regular basis . The street homeless cannot just turn up and expect floor space (the chances of a bed in the Huggard are slim to none as far as I'm aware) in these places. There is a process that needs to be completed before you can even get through the door.

You need to present at Housing Options and make a homeless application - before finding out if there's room for you at a hostel that evening. Become homeless after 4pm or on a weekend? You're f**ked unless you're under 21 as there are no services in Cardiff readily available to help you escape sleeping on the street that evening.

Hope that helps.

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You may wish to relay your remarks to Labour's Lynda Thorne from Cardiff Council who states unambiguously in the OP link that: “We are determined to help the genuine homeless and end rough sleeping in the city. People ask if we’re doing enough to help these individuals but I want everyone to know that there is no need to sleep outside at night..."

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Originally Posted by life on mars

entry to our country without a prospect of a job and finance to support

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Not sure where you get this from, but this is a common misconception. Freedom of movement doesn't mean anyone from any part of the EU can come into Britain and do what they like. Immigrants that are EU citizens need a promise of work in order to be able to live here - they can't simply turn up and hope to find a job. They are also excluded from receiving benefits for a qualifying period, so they can't come over here and get their hands on money (different rules for asylum seekers, but we're not talking about them).

Also, an EU citizen out of work for 3 months in a country of which they are not a citizen (maybe passport holder too, don't know) can be legally sent back to their own country. Austria is an example of a country which enforces this rule pretty heavily by all accounts.

Basically, if there are issues with immigration of EU citizens in the UK, it's because of failings at our end which our government are in a position to sort out.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You may wish to relay your remarks to Labour's Lynda Thorne from Cardiff Council who states unambiguously in the OP link that: “We are determined to help the genuine homeless and end rough sleeping in the city. People ask if we’re doing enough to help these individuals but I want everyone to know that there is no need to sleep outside at night..."

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When I worked in housing in Cardiff it was exactly the same , the city council would try to paint a nice pretty picture but the charities working on the front line knew the score

In fact the organisation I worked for was a voluntary sector version of the old council run housing help centre on st Mary Street

We were very successful at giving advice and help to the homeless and badly housed

So good in fact that the council housing department put pressure on the council and they shut us down

The one time councillor Kevin Brennan announced we were closing in the echo before we had even been given confirmation as staff that we were losing our jobs

He's an MP now

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Not sure where you get this from, but this is a common misconception. Freedom of movement doesn't mean anyone from any part of the EU can come into Britain and do what they like. Immigrants that are EU citizens need a promise of work in order to be able to live here - they can't simply turn up and hope to find a job. They are also excluded from receiving benefits for a qualifying period, so they can't come over here and get their hands on money (different rules for asylum seekers, but we're not talking about them).

Also, an EU citizen out of work for 3 months in a country of which they are not a citizen (maybe passport holder too, don't know) can be legally sent back to their own country. Austria is an example of a country which enforces this rule pretty heavily by all accounts.

Basically, if there are issues with immigration of EU citizens in the UK, it's because of failings at our end which our government are in a position to sort out.

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I was told bt a Romanian that they get round it by registering as a business, slef employed, then the whole family sells big issues.
What I can't get my head round is if the big issue is for genuinely homeless, why does the nmanagement allow the immigrants to sell it, given what the previous poster stated as fact.where they came from if the are not making a decent contribution to society.
I know a guy that sells it on Queenn St. He is a licenced street trader, isn't homelees and to my knowledge never has been.

Qualification to become a Big Issue seller: https://www.bigissue.org.uk/our-vend...-become-vendor

Homeless or rough sleeping
In temporary accommodation
In danger of losing a home
Unemployed and facing financial crisis

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

You may wish to relay your remarks to Labour's Lynda Thorne from Cardiff Council who states unambiguously in the OP link that: “We are determined to help the genuine homeless and end rough sleeping in the city. People ask if we’re doing enough to help these individuals but I want everyone to know that there is no need to sleep outside at night..."

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I don't need to, the Council are more than aware that not enough is being done to prevent homelessness and there are going to be further cuts to frontline prevention services coming up thanks to the ring-fencing of 'Supporting People' funding ending in the next year or so. Add that to the clusterf**k of Universal Credit coming in... and... it's going to be bleak to say the least.

Just thought I'd add some first hand knowledge and experience to a thread where people (including you) seem to think that all rough sleepers are out on the streets by choice. A small percentage are, in honesty, due to the fact that the homeless hostels you mentioned are not the best, safest, places in the world for vulnerable people - not matter how good the staff are.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I don't need to, the Council are more than aware that not enough is being done to prevent homelessness and there are going to be further cuts to frontline prevention services coming up thanks to the ring-fencing of 'Supporting People' funding ending in the next year or so. Add that to the clusterf**k of Universal Credit coming in... and... it's going to be bleak to say the least.

Just thought I'd add some first hand knowledge and experience to a thread where people (including you) seem to think that all rough sleepers are out on the streets by choice. A small percentage are, in honesty, due to the fact that the homeless hostels you mentioned are not the best, safest, places in the world for vulnerable people - not matter how good the staff are.

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Indeed , very hostile environments

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I don't need to, the Council are more than aware that not enough is being done to prevent homelessness and there are going to be further cuts to frontline prevention services coming up thanks to the ring-fencing of 'Supporting People' funding ending in the next year or so. Add that to the clusterf**k of Universal Credit coming in... and... it's going to be bleak to say the least.

Just thought I'd add some first hand knowledge and experience to a thread where people (including you) seem to think that all rough sleepers are out on the streets by choice. A small percentage are, in honesty, due to the fact that the homeless hostels you mentioned are not the best, safest, places in the world for vulnerable people - not matter how good the staff are.

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So you are implying that a Labour councillor from a Labour led Council is being less than truthful. I interpreted her remarks as meaning there's adequate provision for no-one to have to sleep rough but we can't help those who choose not to help themselves.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

So you are implying that a Labour councillor from a Labour led Council is being less than truthful. I interpreted her remarks as meaning there's adequate provision for no-one to have to sleep rough but we can't help those who choose not to help themselves.

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... I knew I shouldn't have bothered. You had a bone to pick re: party politics and didn't actually care about the topic.

As you were.

I have an equal disregard for all the political parties. That councillor is very active on Twitter. Ride on your high horse over to that platform to challenge her assertions if indeed she's being economical with the truth.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

I have an equal disregard for all the political parties. That councillor is very active on Twitter. Ride on your high horse over to that platform to challenge her assertions if indeed she's being economical with the truth.

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Nah, that's not my job mate, I'm too busy riding my high horse saving people's tenancies so they don't become a burden on people like you.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

... I knew I shouldn't have bothered. You had a bone to pick re: party politics and didn't actually care about the topic.

As you were.

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In all fairness sludge's argments lose some of their force because generally they are tainted with the assertion that all the woes of the world are the cause of the tories and absolutely no one or nothing else.
Perhaps if he wasn't always trying to blame them for whatever the problem is every time, then people might be more inclined to take note!!!

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

In all fairness sludge's argments lose some of their force because generally they are tainted with the assertion that all the woes of the world are the cause of the tories and absolutely no one or nothing else.
Perhaps if he wasn't always trying to blame them for whatever the problem is every time, then people might be more inclined to take note!!!

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I am no fan of Cardiff city council wether it be the previous liberal led or current labour led organisation

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

You talking Pentrebach? I usually buy a copy from her as she's not pushy at all? Are you sure it's not you? You do have a habit from what I read on here in encountering the most difficult of people.

p.s. The big issue seller in Merthyr sports a Liverpool scarf so that's him ****ed.

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Your post inspired me to visit Merthyr a few days back in search of the miscreant. It took two minutes to locate him. He was stood at the entrance of a shopping mall wearing a red Big Issue bib, black bobble hat and, as you said, a fecking Liverpool scarf. "Beeg Eeeshoe" he kept repeating to those passing. "I'll Big Issue you now," I thought. This is how the somewhat one-way conversation went:-

"Beeg Eeeshoe".
"Feck off".
(He gave a confused look.)
"Beeg Eeeshoe".
"Go feck yourself".
(His eyes widened as he glanced at my Cardiff scarf.)
"If you want more sales, try wearing one like this or even a Merthyr one."
(The penny dropped. He removed his scarf and held it out to exchange.)
"You cheeky kent! Who do you think I am, fecking Sludge?!"
(Those remarks confused him further.)

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Your post inspired me to visit Merthyr a few days back in search of the miscreant. It took two minutes to locate him. He was stood at the entrance of a shopping mall wearing a red Big Issue bib, black bobble hat and, as you said, a fecking Liverpool scarf. "Beeg Eeeshoe" he kept repeating to those passing. "I'll Big Issue you now," I thought. This is how the somewhat one-way conversation went:-

"Beeg Eeeshoe".
"Feck off".
(He gave a confused look.)
"Beeg Eeeshoe".
"Go feck yourself".
(His eyes widened as he glanced at my Cardiff scarf.)
"If you want more sales, try wearing one like this or even a Merthyr one."
(The penny dropped. He removed his scarf and held it out to exchange.)
"You cheeky kent! Who do you think I am, fecking Sludge?!"
(Those remarks confused him further.)

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:hehe::hehe: i shouldnt laugh, as they will be jumping up and down in disgust at me, even though i didnt make the post

but fair play, that made me laugh :hehe:

Incidentally, in my opinion, the fella's too well groomed and too healthy looking to be kipping anywhere other than a bed.