Emre racially abusing Didier Zokora and getting what was coming to him.

Just done a little research.

The incident in the video happened five years ago.
He was given a suspended prison sentence because of it
He had previously been accused on three separate occasions for racist abuse.

The kick in the bollocks resulted in only a yellow card

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I think anyone who calls someone a nggr deserves everything they get , I am really not interested in defending them

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Yup. Call someone a ******, get your house burned down with everyone you love in it, Sludge will come and do his Super Justice dance on the ashes.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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Yeah there are plenty of excuses to give someone the odd punch even if I wouldn't do it myself. Obviously there's a limit.

I don't think there is an excuse to be a racist in this day and age other than being ignorant. How can someone in Emre's privaledged postion and who has black team mates think someone deserves abuse based on the colour of their skin?

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Yup. Call someone a ******, get your house burned down with everyone you love in it, Sludge will come and do his Super Justice dance on the ashes.

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Equating a couple of kicks to burning someone house down is the same as equating someone being called fat to being called a n*gger.

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Originally Posted by TH63

Just done a little research.

The incident in the video happened five years ago.
He was given a suspended prison sentence because of it
He had previously been accused on three separate occasions for racist abuse.

The kick in the bollocks resulted in only a yellow card

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I'm not saying he's a nice guy, he's clearly an arsehole. But maybe, juuuust maybe kicking him around for a whole match isn't strictly necessary.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Wales and Welsh people have suffered subjugation at the hands of England and the English. Actually, much of the world has.

By the way, there's no distinction in British law; it's all equally bad.

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Yes we have suffered subjugation, but I’ve never had to sit in the “welsh” part of a bus, or use different toilets to English people. I’ve never been dragged out of my home and shipped off to work for nothing for some rich English landowner.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Yeah there are plenty of excuses to give someone the odd punch even if I wouldn't do it myself. Obviously there's a limit.

I don't think there is an excuse to be a racist in this day and age other than being ignorant. How can someone in Emre's privaledged postion and who has black team mates think someone deserves abuse based on the colour of their skin?

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I could say the exact same thing to you, how can people think someone deserve a kicking based on words they've said?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I know , I really shouldn't bother

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Again, good.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Yeah OK Sludge, you've said on a few occasions how much he "deserved it", your White Guilt Card is valid for another year.

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You said we couldn't be reasoned with but you want take anything onboard other than it's just words.

Surely you can see the black people still don't have an equal footing today even in this country and many people do think of them as lesser humans due to the colour of their skin. By calling someone a n*gger youre agreeing with that world view. It isn't a word that just comes out by accident or mistake either.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I think anyone who calls someone a nggr deserves everything they get , I am really not interested in defending them

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C'mon, you're not using your noodle. It's only a word for crying out loud.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Equating a couple of kicks to burning someone house down is the same as equating someone being called fat to being called a n*gger.

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Oh ffs. That's not what I was doing, I was reacting to Sludge's preposterous statement that the man "deserves everything he gets".

Stop being such a snowflake for 5 seconds. Yeah, I said snowflake.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

You said we couldn't be reasoned with but you want take anything onboard other than it's just words.

Surely you can see the black people still don't have an equal footing today even in this country and many people do think of them as lesser humans due to the colour of their skin. By calling someone a n*gger youre agreeing with that world view. It isn't a word that just comes out by accident or mistake either.

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Look, the bottom line is, someone doesn't get to physically assault someone because of things they've said. The law even backs that up, thankfully, considering the insane opinions in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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To any idiot who thinks it's just name calling , why don't you put your money where your mouth is and go down to butetown and if you see a group of black guys , call them nggrs ?

You can argue that's it's just name calling and that they are very nasty chaps and they shouldn't be horrible to you

Good luck with that

Goodnight

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I could say the exact same thing to you, how can people think someone deserve a kicking based on words they've said?

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It isn't just words though is it it's the implication behind those words based on hundreds of years of slavery, slaughtering and abuse and the fact that black people are less likely to get a job and more likely to be stopped by police simply because of the colour of their skin.

By calling someone that you are basically reinforcing all that. It's difficult for us to understand, I've never had to put up with anything like that but you need to understand it isn't just a word that's way too black and white a way to look at it, it's far more complicated than that.

I can completely see where you're coming from though, but I don't understand why anyone would ever say that word either. Even if it's in a temper the person must have that in the front of their mind already.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Look, the bottom line is, someone doesn't get to physically assault someone because of things they've said. The law even backs that up, thankfully, considering the insane opinions in this thread.

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Again with the physical assault faux outrage.
It was a football match, he got a yellow card ffs
It happened five years ago.

Methinks you’re a little bit bored and lloking for an argument for the sake of it tbh

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Look, the bottom line is, someone doesn't get to physically assault someone because of things they've said. The law even backs that up, thankfully, considering the insane opinions in this thread.

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The law also backs up that racial abuse is a lot more than just words too though.

"You are a snowflake for thinking ****** is any more than just a word" - man who calls a few small kicks on a football pitch assault.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

To any idiot who thinks it's just name calling , why don't you put your money where your mouth is and go down to butetown and if you see a group of black guys , call them nggrs ?

You can argue that's it's just name calling and that they are very nasty chaps and they shouldn't be horrible to you

Good luck with that

Goodnight

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I won't be doing that, Sludge, because I'm not a racist. Does it matter to you at all that you've offended me by suggesting as much? No, didn't think so, my feelings don't matter do they?

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Originally Posted by TH63

Again with the physical assault faux outrage.
It was a football match, he got a yellow card ffs
It happened five years ago.

Methinks you’re a little bit bored and lloking for an argument for the sake of it tbh

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You need to look up the definition of outrage and assault because I'm not sure you know what either means.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The law also backs up that racial abuse is a lot more than just words too though.

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They are just words. Sure they're words with weight behind them but they are just words.

Assault (or battery, to more accurate for you and TH63) is not an acceptable response to words.

Having your feelings hurt does not give you carte blanche to hurt someone physically and anyone that says otherwise is an idiot, frankly.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

I won't be doing that, Sludge, because I'm not a racist. Does it matter to you at all that you've offended me by suggesting as much? No, didn't think so, my feelings don't matter do they?

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I have no idea if you are a racist or not but you think the use of the word nggr is just name calling

If you think that , then go down to butetown or grangetown and test out your theory

Do you think black people's feelings are hurt by the use of the word nggr ?

Go and find out

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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Originally Posted by TH63

Again with the physical assault faux outrage.
It was a football match, he got a yellow card ffs
It happened five years ago.

Methinks you’re a little bit bored and lloking for an argument for the sake of it tbh

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Isn't he just

I can't see much wrong with the tackle. A boot up the balls on a football pitch for something you wouldn't say to him in the pub seems about right. Better than a pool ball in the mush.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I have no idea if you are a racist or not but you think the use of the word nggr is just name calling

If you think that , then go down to butetown or grangetown and test out your theory

Do you think black people's feelings are hurt by the use of the word nggr ?

Go and find out

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OK Sludge, I think I see where you're having trouble understanding what's happening here so I'll help you out.

I am aware that words have different meanings attached to them, it's what allows us as human to communicate with each other.

I'm also aware that some words have unsavoury meanings to them.

I'm also aware that some people wrongly think that it's OK to hurt someone physically if certain words are said to them.

Obviously I'm someone that has a different opinion to you so you're trying your best to get me to do something that would see me physically harmed because that's how people like you like to treat people with differing opinions.

Emre probably learned more from that match than from his three game ban.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Isn't he just

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You and TH63 cannot believe that someone would have a different opinion to you to the point where you just pass me off as "looking for an argument" :hehe:

Bear in mind it's you two who are of the opinion that physically harming someone is justifiable if they say certain words :hehe: You could not make it up.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

OK Sludge, I think I see where you're having trouble understanding what's happening here so I'll help you out.

I am aware that words have different meanings attached to them, it's what allows us as human to communicate with each other.

I'm also aware that some words have unsavoury meanings to them.

I'm also aware that some people wrongly think that it's OK to hurt someone physically if certain words are said to them.

Obviously I'm someone that has a different opinion to you so you're trying your best to get me to do something that would see me physically harmed because that's how people like you like to treat people with differing opinions.

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That's an incredible conclusion , you are off your head

As I say if you think it's just name calling , test out your theory

I am not really interested

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Emre probably learned more from that match than from his three game ban.

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Aye , act like a racist fecker and face the consequences

No sympathy for him at all

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Aye , act like a racist fecker and face the consequences

No sympathy for him at all

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The consequences being legal action rather than a kicking, at least for those of us in the grown up world.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's an incredible conclusion , you are off your head

As I say if you think it's just name calling , test out your theory

I am not really interested

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Yeah, you keep saying you're not interested Sludge...

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

You and TH63 cannot believe that someone would have a different opinion to you to the point where you just pass me off as "looking for an argument" :hehe:

Bear in mind it's you two who are of the opinion that physically harming someone is justifiable if they say certain words :hehe: You could not make it up.

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You are entitled to your opinion

I just think having watched that video you are talking nonsense

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Yeah, you keep saying you're not interested Sludge...

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It's difficult as you are behaving like a child

Now go to bed and watch out for the monsters in the cupboard

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

So in your book there's no excuse for racism in the form of name calling but you can easily justify kicking the shit out of someone? That's some messed up logic son.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

The consequences being legal action rather than a kicking, at least for those of us in the grown up world.

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The old bill are often given a bad rap but if some idiots approached a black guy in Cardiff , racially abused him and ended up getting a slap , I don't think they would launch a major operation to send the offender to prison

That's just a theory but one I tend to agree with

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are entitled to your opinion

I just think having watched that video you are talking nonsense

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No, he just "got what was coming to him" didn't he Sludge? Such an insidious opinion, unfortunately a lot of people seem to agree with you.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's difficult as you are behaving like a child

Now go to bed and watch out for the monsters in the cupboard

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You're the one advocating giving someone a beating for saying bad words and I'm the child? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The old bill are often given a bad rap but if some idiots approached a black guy in Cardiff , racially abused him and ended up getting a slap , I don't think they would launch a major operation to send the offender to prison

That's just a theory but one I tend to agree with

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You've got it wrong there, again.

I was saying that if some idiots approached a black guy then the black guy, thankfully, has more recourse than to just immediately resort to violence, which is what you're advocating.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

What a pisstake. If someone calls you names you don't get to physically assault them over and over ffs. What sort of idiotic shit are we teaching people here?

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Oh I don't know. If someone called me a 'Fenian bastard' I'd thank them, then kick them for not understanding what Fenian meant.

I was trying to think of a plausible equivalent for a white player - major leagues tend to be pretty white. So maybe Japan, which is pretty resistant to foreigners.

If a Japanese player made a racist comment to a white opponent and the authorities were lenient to him, would I think the ends justified the means if he got a bit of a kicking the next time he played that team? I'd be happy enough that he got what was coming to him.

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I was trying to think of a plausible equivalent for a white player - major leagues tend to be pretty white. So maybe Japan, which is pretty resistant to foreigners.

If a Japanese player made a racist comment to a white opponent and the authorities were lenient to him, would I think the ends justified the means if he got a bit of a kicking the next time he played that team? I'd be happy enough that he got what was coming to him.

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My rule of thumb is would I say it to him in the pub. If I wouldn't then it's probably a good thing I never said it. I would most likely regret it next morning anyway and feel like a plum. If I did and would expect him to smack me in the the chops then that's my choice and would stand by it. Imperious logic. Has served me well nearly all the time. I don't reckon Emre would say that to Zakiora in the pub unless he was pissed. Zakiora within his rights to give him a clout.

What if a woman racially abuses him? I assume she would be fair game for a good kicking too?