Time for a change - Bye Bye Warnock

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Originally Posted by SgorioFruit

The league double is on

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There's a transfer window before you play us again, so i'd say that it's definitely on.

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Originally Posted by SgorioFruit

The league double is on

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You do realise we have already beat your shithole of a club 4 times in the same season ?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I love the fact Warnock won us promotion and kept us competitive in the Premier League last season. This season has been shit, though. We need a new direction.

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This is something that we both agreed upon at the end of last season, but I think we got shouted down my the overwhelming majority didn't we? The situation was crying out for a new manager to come in and start the rebuilding job in order to take us forward, if our Neil was only going to do one year. What a mess, hey..

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

This is something that we both agreed upon at the end of last season, but I think we got shouted down my the overwhelming majority didn't we? The situation was crying out for a new manager to take us forward if Neil was only going to do one year. What a mess, hey..

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This site was probably split quite evenly at the end of last season on whether Warnock should go. He hasn't had a Majority support on here for some time.

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Originally Posted by Delbert

This football club is run by Neil Warnock for the benefit of Neil Warnock. The board are so hopelessly out of their depth that they that have even abdicated responsibility for deciding Neil Warnock’s future to Neil Warnock!

Neil Warnock’s old friends Ronnie Jepson and Kevin Blackwell get the top coaching jobs, another of his old friends Glyn Chamberlain gets to be Chief Scout and Head of Recruitment. And then we get to the involvement of Neil Warnock’s son James in transfers and contracts, the less said about that the better.

The squandering of £60m on a squad so mediocre that not one player on the pitch today could provide a single moment of quality in 90 minutes is a damming indictment of what has been allowed to happen to our club. Sadly I don’t think anyone on the board either understands the seriousness of the situation or has the capability to take the swift and decisive actions required. Today’s embarrassment has illustrated what an utter shambles we have become.

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Didn't a few players also get nice deals to see out their playing careers with us?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

This site was probably split quite evenly at the end of last season on whether Warnock should go. He hasn't had a Majority support on here for some time.

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We were definitely outgunned, and the general feeling was more upbeat than it is now. I remember Eric being quite vocal and I was right behind him. It just seemed daft having a manager rebuild the squad when he was buggering off at the end of the season. It was a really bizarre decision that made no sense at all, and it was carried along by the sympathy vote.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

We were definitely outgunned, and the general feeling was more upbeat than it is now. I remember Eric being quite vocal and I was right behind him. It just seemed daft having a manager rebuild the squad when he was buggering off at the end of the season. It was a really bizarre decision that made no sense at all, and it was carried along by the sympathy vote.

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Completely agree. Warnock seems to call the shots, lets hope he doesn't have a say on his successor.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Completely agree. Warnock seems to call the shots, lets hope he doesn't have a say on his successor.

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Neil Warnock is one of my favourite managers, but his time with us had run its natural course the moment we got relegated. The best argument made for him to continue, was that he deserved another go for what he had done in the two seasons prior to our promotion to the Premier League. Unfortunately there was no long-term development plan to justify the decision.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Neil Warnock is one of my favourite managers, but his time with us had run its natural course the moment we got relegated. The best argument made for him to continue, was that he deserved another go for what he had done in the two seasons prior to our promotion to the Premier League.

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Spot on

Well it was reasonable to choose him for the job of gaining promotion because he's got a record of success in that endeavour. In fact he might still achieve it this season in a league which no one has yet taken hold of.
On the other hand, it's true to say that this team isn't performing at a point where they've had time to gel if they're going to. Therefore I'm afraid we must now consider a change in direction, but be aware that such a course of action will sacrifice any lingering hopes of success this season.
The main problem I see is that we don't present much threat up front and the current attack seems to have no coordination between its members in the final phase. Add to that the now routine defensive cock ups and it's less than encouraging. I must also add that if Ethridge keeps leaving his area so much he'll inevitably give away one of those embarrassing and perhaps vital long range goals, which he only failed to do today because the opposing player couldn't hit the target.

One thing, if we lose the manager and his particular way of doing things, I don't know what we fall back on because it's not as if we've got a squad full of great individual players or the ability to buy them. Nor is it clear where we might look for a manager of the same quality to replace the current one and that probably means going through several changes until we find one who works at the club.

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Originally Posted by RonnieBird

Well it was reasonable to choose him for the job of gaining promotion because he's got a record of success in that endeavour.

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It might have made sense if Warnock was sticking around for a couple more years, but he's off at the end of the season. What manager would fancy a year in the Premier League with this group of players if we did get promoted? The rebuilding should have started at the end of last season under a new manager, so that he could start introducing his own players into the setup.

DML1954 is going to lose his shit when he sees this thread.

I've come to the conclusion DML is Neil Warnock himself.

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Originally Posted by Delbert

This football club is run by Neil Warnock for the benefit of Neil Warnock. The board are so hopelessly out of their depth that they that have even abdicated responsibility for deciding Neil Warnock’s future to Neil Warnock!

Neil Warnock’s old friends Ronnie Jepson and Kevin Blackwell get the top coaching jobs, another of his old friends Glyn Chamberlain gets to be Chief Scout and Head of Recruitment. And then we get to the involvement of Neil Warnock’s son James in transfers and contracts, the less said about that the better.

The squandering of £60m on a squad so mediocre that not one player on the pitch today could provide a single moment of quality in 90 minutes is a damming indictment of what has been allowed to happen to our club. Sadly I don’t think anyone on the board either understands the seriousness of the situation or has the capability to take the swift and decisive actions required. Today’s embarrassment has illustrated what an utter shambles we have become.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

As always, I agree with much of what you say, but I thought there was one team who were really up for a derby today and another one who wasn't. You're right, there was some very good last ditch defending towards the end, but, although I always feel sorry for the poor.souls picked to play up front for us under this manager, Swansea put us to shame in terms of attacking movement and willingness to show for the ball.

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My big issue with sticking with Warnock isn't about not getting promoted this season, as I don't believe we can anyway, but instead the year after year growing gap between our youth players/team and the first team. I think that we have already lost players because they can't see a way into the first team and even if by a miracle they get there... the football is so bad in the first team that anything they have learnt will hinder them rather than help them. Without a vehicle to the first team youth players and their agents and families will be reluctant to sign or stay with us.

In my amateur view surely there has to be some footballing cohesion between the different structures at the club... youth, u18, u23 and first team etc - the whole footballing ethos throughout the club needs to be looked at. A director of football is desperately needed and I am worried that when Warnock leaves his role as manager he may get that job... a terrifying thought for young players at the club.

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Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird

My big issue with sticking with Warnock isn't about not getting promoted this season, as I don't believe we can anyway, but instead the year after year growing gap between our youth players/team and the first team. I think that we have already lost players because they can't see a way into the first team and even if by a miracle they get there... the football is so bad in the first team that anything they have learnt will hinder them rather than help them. Without a vehicle to the first team youth players and their agents and families will be reluctant to sign or stay with us.

In my amateur view surely there has to be some footballing cohesion between the different structures at the club... youth, u18, u23 and first team etc - the whole footballing ethos throughout the club needs to be looked at. A director of football is desperately needed and I am worried that when Warnock leaves his role as manager he may get that job... a terrifying thought for young players at the club.

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That's a terrifying thought, isn't it!

Warnock has to leave our club lock, stock, and barrel...and take all his backroom staff with him.

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Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird

My big issue with sticking with Warnock isn't about not getting promoted this season, as I don't believe we can anyway, but instead the year after year growing gap between our youth players/team and the first team. I think that we have already lost players because they can't see a way into the first team and even if by a miracle they get there... the football is so bad in the first team that anything they have learnt will hinder them rather than help them. Without a vehicle to the first team youth players and their agents and families will be reluctant to sign or stay with us.

In my amateur view surely there has to be some footballing cohesion between the different structures at the club... youth, u18, u23 and first team etc - the whole footballing ethos throughout the club needs to be looked at. A director of football is desperately needed and I am worried that when Warnock leaves his role as manager he may get that job... a terrifying thought for young players at the club.

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Nice job: Neil Warnock Director of anti-football

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Originally Posted by nilnil

Nice job: Neil Warnock Director of anti-football

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by City123

He should have gone at the end of last season, a 2-0 win over Manchester United at Old Trafford would have been the perfect send off

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That would have been very fitting

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Originally Posted by insider

You do realise we have already beat your shithole of a club 4 times in the same season ?

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Does that include twice in the league?

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Originally Posted by City123

He should have gone at the end of last season, a 2-0 win over Manchester United at Old Trafford would have been the perfect send off

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It would have been a brilliant move for both him and the club, but now he is heading towards a tainted legacy where the positives are no longer outshining the negatives. As with a lot of the big life decisions, timing is everything.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It would have been a brilliant move for both him and the club, but now he is heading towards a tainted legacy where the positives are no longer outshining the negatives. Like most things in life, timing is everything.

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The only positive from it might be it puts less expectation on a new manager. If someone took over after that game then had a shite start to the season we would all have been pining for Warnock.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The only positive from it might be it puts less expectation on a new manager. If someone took over after that game then had a shite start to the season we would all have been pining for Warnock.

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Whilst I agree that is a positive I also think keeping Warnock in charge and letting him loose with more awful signings its going to hamstring the new manager more than if he had a clean slate last summer.

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Originally Posted by surge

At the moment we're heading for a midtable finish and using this year to plan for the next five years is far more important than rushing through a managerial change because our football is weak. Of course, if the club doesn't bring in a structure that does a better job of developing us as a football club then this season will be judged far more harshly in hindsight.

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So let the players go a full season with him and lose confidence each week, then when a new manager comes in in the summer they have a few weeks to impress and possibly carry on with their lack of confidence.

I’d rather see a new manager come in now, even if he doesn’t drag us up the table he gets a few months to put his style across and isn’t just left with a few weeks in the summer to look at 20 odd players who are lacking confidence and deciding who stays and who goes.


**** Warnock off now.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

So let the players go a full season with him and lose confidence each week, then when a new manager comes in in the summer they have a few weeks to impress and possibly carry on with their lack of confidence.

I’d rather see a new manager come in now, even if he doesn’t drag us up the table he gets a few months to put his style across and isn’t just left with a few weeks in the summer to look at 20 odd players who are lacking confidence and deciding who stays and who goes.

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That was exactly the point of replacing him last summer.