War films at Christmas, I hate xmas

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

So that's a boris Johnson those climate protestors are just a bunch of crusties then ?

Thanks for your expert input on global warming

Your mince pies are ready

Happy xmas

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I’ve told you what I think already, you’re getting in a huff over it.

The planet will be here years after we’re gone.

Don’t forget them starving kids in January.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Lol I have really got you bothered fair play , what an angry man

Tell me , what do you know about global warming ?

The thing is , whilst everyone is getting pissed , scoffing Turkey and or celebrating the birth of some jesus bloke , the experts reckon we are hurtling towards extinction

I would like to challenge the experts view and you sound like the man with the knowledge to challenge them

So let's have it

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This same Jesus “bloke” that you ridicule came to show the world a better way to live i.e. to put your neighbour first but sadly humankind has in the main rejected that idea and gone its own sweet way. For every action (or inaction) there are always consequences and that is how we are where we are at today. Everyone of us is guilty as we become trapped into a world view that is based on “growth” which is what drives the exploitation of others and the devouring of the world’s resources at an accelerating pace which in turn leads to excessive CO2 production/climate change.

We may deny that that is the case but whether we like it or not we are all ensnared, as an example witness the commercialisation of Christmas with folk spending beyond their means on “stuff” that will probably be discarded before next Christmas. Individually we can try to do our bit but it is what we do collectively that will count.

At my time of life, extinction of life on earth can only be of academic interest (as my own personal extinction is getting closer!) but I have five young grandchildren and I do worry for them and their future.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

This same Jesus “bloke” that you ridicule came to show the world a better way to live i.e. to put your neighbour first but sadly humankind has in the main rejected that idea and gone its own sweet way. For every action (or inaction) there are always consequences and that is how we are where we are at today. Everyone of us is guilty as we become trapped into a world view that is based on “growth” which is what drives the exploitation of others and the devouring of the world’s resources at an accelerating pace which in turn leads to excessive CO2 production/climate change.

We may deny that that is the case but whether we like it or not we are all ensnared, as an example witness the commercialisation of Christmas with folk spending beyond their means on “stuff” that will probably be discarded before next Christmas. Individually we can try to do our bit but it is what we do collectively that will count.

At my time of life, extinction of life on earth can only be of academic interest (as my own personal extinction is getting closer!) but I have five young grandchildren and I do worry for them and their future.

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I do put others first but it's got nothing to do with jesus , to me he is as irrelevant as christmas

As for the rest of your post I am in total agreement gofer

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I do put others first but it's got nothing to do with jesus , to me he is as irrelevant as christmas

As for the rest of your post I am in total agreement gofer

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Well obviously the true meaning of Christmas is indeed irrelevant to those who find Jesus irrelevant! To me he is highly relevant and responsible for changing me from a particularly self-centred, only child into the person I am today. Like you I do my "bit". The other day I was working with about 9 other volunteers packing special Christmas food parcels (as opposed to the usual routine stuff) and the majority of the folk there were Christians. Probably no coincidence that the vast majority of food banks are run by churches?

I am very wary of the Jehovah Witnesses but one thing I think they have got more or less right is the way they distance themselves completely from the commercialisation of Christmas. Unfortunately they have taken an extremist view (IMO) in that they reject everything to do with it, to the point where they condemn Christians for even celebrating the birth of Jesus (in fact they are anti-birthdays full stop).

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Well obviously the true meaning of Christmas is indeed irrelevant to those who find Jesus irrelevant! To me he is highly relevant and responsible for changing me from a particularly self-centred, only child into the person I am today. Like you I do my "bit". The other day I was working with about 9 other volunteers packing special Christmas food parcels (as opposed to the usual routine stuff) and the majority of the folk there were Christians. Probably no coincidence that the vast majority of food banks are run by churches?

I am very wary of the Jehovah Witnesses but one thing I think they have got more or less right is the way they distance themselves completely from the commercialisation of Christmas. Unfortunately they have taken an extremist view (IMO) in that they reject everything to do with it, to the point where they condemn Christians for even celebrating the birth of Jesus (in fact they are anti-birthdays full stop).

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You don't have to be a Christian to do good works , the vast majority of people who work for shelter , the samaritans , crisis at christmas , the rotary club etc are not Christians, my local food bank is run by christians but gets most of its donations from outside of the church

I am wary of all Faith's I am afraid gofer but I am in agreement with you that the door knickers are a very odd bunch

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You don't have to be a Christian to do good works , the vast majority of people who work for shelter , the samaritans , crisis at christmas , the rotary club etc are not Christians, my local food bank is run by christians but gets most of its donations from outside of the church

I am wary of all Faith's I am afraid gofer but I am in agreement with you that the door knickers are a very odd bunch

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Door knickers??? Why does it all come back to Benny Hill type smut?

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

Planets been going for billions of years mun and has been through far worse, lets be honest if we had another event which wiped out the current version of the human, it wouldn't really be a bad thing would it.

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It would certainly solve the plight of the homeless ...

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You don't have to be a Christian to do good works , the vast majority of people who work for shelter , the samaritans , crisis at christmas , the rotary club etc are not Christians, my local food bank is run by christians but gets most of its donations from outside of the church

I am wary of all Faith's I am afraid gofer but I am in agreement with you that the door knickers are a very odd bunch

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Agree; but in my case it was the kick start I needed. It has instilled into my heart a strong and non-judgemental compassion which simply was not there before. I am saddened that you are wary of Christianity - perhaps you mean you are wary of some Christians, something I might concur with!

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Agree; but in my case it was the kick start I needed. It has instilled into my heart a strong and non-judgemental compassion which simply was not there before. I am saddened that you are wary of Christianity - perhaps you mean you are wary of some Christians, something I might concur with!

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I am wary of all religion, it’s not something I can trust. Would be silly to say that about all Christians or all Muslims obviously, but there always seems to be an ulterior motive when it comes to religion.

I am happy that you are happy, my mother sounds the same as you and is now encouraging the kids in the family to go with her on sundays!

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I am wary of all religion, it’s not something I can trust. Would be silly to say that about all Christians or all Muslims obviously, but there always seems to be an ulterior motive when it comes to religion.

I am happy that you are happy, my mother sounds the same as you and is now encouraging the kids in the family to go with her on sundays!

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The "ulterior motive" as you describe it is simply that your mother would like you and your children to embrace the faith that she has because it is a great way to live (though not necessarily an easy or pain-free one). Certainly not “gun to the head” or “pie in the sky when you die” religion I would imagine – the choice is yours to accept or reject at the end of the day!

The Christians I see portrayed in the media or TV are nothing like the Christians I know. The latter are among the most selfless, compassionate, caring people you would ever meet, they show the love of Jesus but they also know that they will never be perfect!

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

The "ulterior motive" as you describe it is simply that your mother would like you and your children to embrace the faith that she has because it is a great way to live (though not necessarily an easy or pain-free one). Certainly not “gun to the head” or “pie in the sky when you die” religion I would imagine – the choice is yours to accept or reject at the end of the day!

The Christians I see portrayed in the media or TV are nothing like the Christians I know. The latter are among the most selfless, compassionate, caring people you would ever meet, they show the love of Jesus but they also know that they will never be perfect!

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I don’t think my mother has an ulterior motive, if my daughter wants to go and follow Christianity I support it, just because I don’t believe in it doesn’t mean I’ll hold her back.

I think religion is an easy way to control the masses, I can also find happiness without it so personally I don’t see what it can give me.

My all time favourite is Appocolpse Now

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Originally Posted by life on mars

My all time favourite is Appocolpse Now

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That’s easy for you to say:hehe:

God is half man half God..which half is man?

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

God is half man half God..which half is man?

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Which god?

If you want to watch something grim try Hatred (Its English name or Volhynia its Polish name) about the Polish and Ukrainian atrocities carried out in the second world war - it is a hard view but is much easier to view than Come and See - It's banned in Ukraine as they don't want it all kicking off again but there must be some very deep scars there - The killing of the Polish poet Zygmunt Rumel is particularly brutal and the various slaughters carried out .....anyway you get the picture. It will certainly take your mind off xmas.

also recommend Brotherhood (Taegukgi - in Korean) which is one of the biggest grossing Korean films ever made. Battle scenes that dwarf Saving Private Ryan and when it gets going its unrelentless showing both sides of the Korean war. I've seen it a few times - Flag unit bit is brilliant

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I couldn't give a toss what he does

I would rather listen to that Scandinavian young lass , she talks sense

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She dont know nuffin, Amazon is not in decline, its posted record profits

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Originally Posted by binman

If you want to watch something grim try Hatred (Its English name or Volhynia its Polish name) about the Polish and Ukrainian atrocities carried out in the second world war - it is a hard view but is much easier to view than Come and See - It's banned in Ukraine as they don't want it all kicking off again but there must be some very deep scars there - The killing of the Polish poet Zygmunt Rumel is particularly brutal and the various slaughters carried out .....anyway you get the picture. It will certainly take your mind off xmas.

also recommend Brotherhood (Taegukgi - in Korean) which is one of the biggest grossing Korean films ever made. Battle scenes that dwarf Saving Private Ryan and when it gets going its unrelentless showing both sides of the Korean war. I've seen it a few times - Flag unit bit is brilliant

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Where can I watch both of these films

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Originally Posted by walinoz

Where can I watch both of these films

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I watched Hatred on sky - surprising a film like this was on there

Brotherhood or Taegukgi - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006U2106A

Look at the reviews - its well worth owning - do not buy the dubbed version get the subtitled

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

God is half man half God..which half is man?

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Below the wrist ?

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Originally Posted by binman

If you want to watch something grim try Hatred (Its English name or Volhynia its Polish name) about the Polish and Ukrainian atrocities carried out in the second world war - it is a hard view but is much easier to view than Come and See - It's banned in Ukraine as they don't want it all kicking off again but there must be some very deep scars there - The killing of the Polish poet Zygmunt Rumel is particularly brutal and the various slaughters carried out .....anyway you get the picture. It will certainly take your mind off xmas.

also recommend Brotherhood (Taegukgi - in Korean) which is one of the biggest grossing Korean films ever made. Battle scenes that dwarf Saving Private Ryan and when it gets going its unrelentless showing both sides of the Korean war. I've seen it a few times - Flag unit bit is brilliant

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Are you the fellas who put me on to savage peace , the atrocities carried out on people of German origin by poles , chezck partisans etc in the dying embers of world war two and watched over by the west and stalin ?

Now that was difficult to watch

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Originally Posted by binman

If you want to watch something grim try Hatred (Its English name or Volhynia its Polish name) about the Polish and Ukrainian atrocities carried out in the second world war - it is a hard view but is much easier to view than Come and See - It's banned in Ukraine as they don't want it all kicking off again but there must be some very deep scars there - The killing of the Polish poet Zygmunt Rumel is particularly brutal and the various slaughters carried out .....anyway you get the picture. It will certainly take your mind off xmas.

also recommend Brotherhood (Taegukgi - in Korean) which is one of the biggest grossing Korean films ever made. Battle scenes that dwarf Saving Private Ryan and when it gets going its unrelentless showing both sides of the Korean war. I've seen it a few times - Flag unit bit is brilliant

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Originally Posted by life on mars

She dont know nuffin, Amazon is not in decline, its posted record profits

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She's making a general point on global capitalism and she's right