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If Martin Luther King was around today, I think he would have backed the Kick It Out campaign (which I agree wholeheartedly with) but not Black Lives Matter.
"I have a dream that one day my four children will live in a nation where they will be judged on the content of their character and not the colour of their skin".
I don't give a sh*t what footballers think - it's a free world [?], but I go to a game to watch football not have political lessons from 22 dimwits before every game. I doubt 'taking the knee' has moved people in any direction on the subject, though perhaps a few stone statues did actually move. I seriously doubt it would have lasted more than a couple of games with crowds in attendance. They look like a load of daft twats when the do it and I reckon would be told so pretty quickly..Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
How you've come to those conclusions, from what I posted, is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by robjohn44
If I ever feel like I have a racist in my circle they are cut off immediately.
i could be wrong, but there seems to have been a rise in racism on Twitter since the prolonged taking of the knee. I think it's having an adverse effect now and it should have been brought to an end with follow up actions in place. Nothing has changed in my eyes.
For what it's worth, my view is Millwall's racist fans won the day by getting it stopped there :shrug:
Fooling nobody still think Brentford are sensible and brave , again all of my 'big boy words' ( your childish name for me ) all set out in the posted article ,how difficult is this for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
About time you used that awful C word and showed your real self , try not pretend you care for others.
On a lighter note, apparently the knee bone (mentioned at 1 min 20 secs) is connected to the thigh bone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6oP1N33dx0
I responded to this post by using the dreaded C word and pointing out all of the times that you've made comments that were racist or bigoted (or outright sick in regards to your views on the victims of grooming and rape) to remind you once again that you cannot take the high ground. If all you can say is that I use foul language then I think I'm winning in the morals stakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
My post was deleted by one of mods. Would have been nice of them to at least tell me why it's been removed. Was it the language or the fact that I reminded LoM of his previously disgusting behaviour?
You have no morality , and the use of language behind a keyboard is a weakness .Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I'm okay with my behaviour, sorry you don't agree with my views 😉
So you stand by your comments about young girls being groomed and raped were asking for it? That non-whites can't be British?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It would take me 5 minutes at most to bump them up the board if you want me to?
I do have morals LoM. Which is why I abhor your lack of them and will keep reminding you about it, you stupid c**t.
There's treatment out there fella .Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Judging from your "young girls were asking for it" comments, I would suggest the treatment be chemical castration.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
There you go. A spot the difference competition on views about the manipulation and abuse of young girls. Clue. They were written by different people is not a correct answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
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There so many things I dislike but only one where I think I'd seriously lose control and that would be coming face to face with something that exoplotes children..
There are dozens of potential names now being linked to Epstein ,yes ,they went to the sex crazed parties ,would they all know the ages of these girls who are carefully selected adult looking teenagers (some of them intelligent enough to know why they were at these events )
I also think the girl was mature enough to know what lifestyle she had chosen.
I know, she was hanging around the rich and wealthy at 15 at Trumps golf resort . I just wonder if she was more willing to engage in the sleazy rich world than we know.
Sadly trafficking is a profitable business .
I know I do pride myself on my nouns , up the purists, I did suggest the poor victims have a choice as do the parents on what they see and allow .
I do get that, but let's be fair some of the (older ) teenager girls do sometimes use thier looks to progress life in the wrong way , and they are aware at that age about right and wrong, those much younger of course are a different matter and that us very sad .
He's happy with his views and it's my morals that are lacking though.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
It's a tough one.
Me thinks this thread should be locked, as this is all about opinions.
There is no right or wrong in either to take or not to take the knee, so there will never be an end result. So technically, this thread could overtake the crisp thread.
Myself, I think it's past it's sell by date.
If threads are going to be locked because they're about opinions - they will all be locked!Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Myself - I think taking the knee should carry on until the end of the season, and then have a proper debate between players, fans, clubs and authorities about how to embed anti-racism in football. It cannot just fade away like all previous anti racism campaigns and initiatives.
You think threads based solely on opinions should be locked?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Let’s be honest anyone who has ever read your posts knows how much of a bigot you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
This one yes, as it's getting repeatedly boring and taking up football chat on a matchday.
Crikey, You'll be saying that once you've aired your opinion on the competence of Mark Drakeford or Cardiff City Council's traffic management plans you should let it rest next!Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Why not just not open the thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Taking up football chat? It isn’t a finite resource :hehe:
I always find people who “don’t want politics” in sport are the ones who’s “politics” are being called into question.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I think taking a knee has raised awareness of the situation quite well. The fact it’s still being discussed shows it’s doing it’s job. It might be time to end it sooner or later but it’s still working now.
Also after your ongoing posts in the coronavirus thread I don’t know how you can call anyone a dimwit.
And since when did not being racist become a political topic?
There seems to be a disingenuous attempt by some to link the political group Black Lives Matter with the tacking a knee.
Plus there seems to be an attempt by some to misinterpret the “defund the police” statement to be something it isn’t either due to ignorance or to want to undermine any anti racist message.
At least I got someone laughing :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I'm with Bluetit: we don't want to get to the end of the internet before kick-off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56117084
Wilfred Zaha sharing his personal perspective. I thought it was powerful
Rumours Brentford will not be taking the knee in the Premiership.
Croatia are saying the same for the Euro's , both refer to the alleged no politics rules in football , and its long-term ineffectiveness , as per Zaha point and decision ?
I don't agree with Zaha and don't think what he says is powerful at all. "Taking the knee" I think began with Colin Kapernick who did it while the US national anthem played. The point being you're supposed to stand reverentially. Not doing so was very, very powerful. Kapernick (partially at least) lost his career for his actions. He is to be lauded for his bravery. Zaha is of course completely entitled to do as he likes. I always feel a sense of optimism when sports people protest racism (in whatever form) and extreme pessimism when people boo.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
Football and politics will always be intertwined, no getting away from the fact. Cheap get out line for them, the far right, who, let’s not kid ourselves are the shit stirrers in this situation, have attempted to peddle their political filth to football fans for years. They’ve been rightly silenced in more recent years, their odious songs, monkey noises and ignorant behaviour being eradicated with the threat of stadium bans, prosecution etc. This booing is in their eyes a legitimate way of showing their true colours, us proper fans, when back in the grounds, should make our feelings known to them if they start their shite. Leopards don’t change their spots, their racism is still bubbling below the surface, we should be on our guard, we can’t go back to the bad old days.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I got into a debate about it on the other board.
Some interesting debates. And some rancid views.
One thing I find absolutely laughable is that
people are claiming that the players are now supporting and implementing a socialist agenda...(oh that it were true!)
Footballers.. socialists... Lol.
Football has become the epitome of capitalism and players probably don't even know what socialism is.
Imagine being allowed to watch live football for the first time in over 18 months and the first thing you do is boo your own players for a gesture which is attempting to unite against racism.. before they have even kicked a ball. what an abysmal thing to do.
Talk about snowflakes..
So what if the players take the knee. Even if fans think it's little more than tokenism, it's the players choice.
If it's more offensive to someone when players take the knee than it is when players receive ongoing aggressive racist abuse and threats, it shows how stupid people are.
Ain't that the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
All lives matter ! ........shut up you daft racist
The problem with your sensible and reasoned approach is that people who fervently support booing the taking of the knee ........something I support but would not object to if it ended .....are fecking stupid racistsQuote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
They can argue its run its course , its bringing politics into football , its Marxist etc as long until they are blue in the face but they are racists and when you hit them in the face with that they either admit it or make all sorts of excuses to try and slip their way out of it .
Educated debate is fine but booing players for taking the knee ? Naaa
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Some people on the other board proved that.
And they are often in denial of the facts... taking the knee, while gained support after George Floyds murder, was started in 2016 by Colin Kaepernick, who is no Marxist activist, just an American Football player who peacefully demonstrated against the continued persecution of black people at the hands of the police - which is demonstrably proven.
Is football becoming more political or is politics becoming more like football?
The absolute certainty applied when Player X is described as a diving cheat and Player Y was travelling at speed so even slightest touch would send them over (depending on whether it's your side or not) is now more obvious in politics and topical debates.
I've nothing against players 'taking the knee'. They have a lot of spare time on their hands which is normally taken up playing video games in their 'games rooms'. So I suggest they do it in parks, go on marches, anywhere else other than in front of football supporters who, in the main, don't want to see it. Not because what it does or doesn't represent, but they don't cough up all that dosh to be preached to by dimwit footballers..Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
One of the inspirations behind taking the knee was Nate Boyer a white former green beret.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Raising issues about racism isn't political.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
But as an aside, music, art and sports have always been political.
Those who call for a separation of music, arts and sports from politics are deluded or at the least selective in their history discourse.
From the slaves in America writing songs of freedom, the Olympics in Nazi Germany, Marlon Brando boycotting the Oscars to protest Hollywood's treatment of Native Americans, the boycotting of apartheid South Africa by musicians and sports teams - to taking the knee... unavoidable and mercifully, necessary and part of a humans expression to highlight and improve things.
Long may it continue.
Lets prey the new football role models of society behaviour in the appropriate for all manner of things not just race .
It does seem to touch a nerve with the daily mail readers.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish