Tory MP hounded off campus for describing women as adult human females.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

If I have read this correctly, and please correct me if I am wrong, but if a family member or close friend decided to hold a different viewpoint than your own, you would be upset?

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

This is different from what you said earlier. You said, quite clearly, that if anyone voted Tory or UKIP or BNP you'd be upset. There are a myriad of reasons why people vote for The Tories or UKIP (not the BNP of course), and many of those reasons don't fall into the narrative you have provided above. We can all agree that any form of bigotry is wrong, and that includes prejudging a persons entire character based on a party that they support at an election (unless it is the BNP or Social Workers Party or other equally dangerous fringe lunatics).

You also start a post with "you are wrong". That's rarely the mark of an open and tolerant mind.

Let me put it to you another way, what would it take to convince you that someone who votes Tory (or previously UKIP) isn't a racist?

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I was answering your previous opening line where you said ‘I may be wrong….’

I admit to being intolerant of some political views. Proudly intolerant. I do not ever want to be tolerant of reactionary opinion, and especially not the policies and actions that come from that.

I have never said that all Tory or UKIP voters are racist. Some aren’t.

And just to ensure you are fully triggered, I have no problem at all with the SWP. Fine upstanding people even if they are hopelessly wrong about ‘state capitalism’ in the former degenerated and deformed workers states.

Now I’m off to the Tesco clothing thread where the real political debate is raging!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I was answering your previous opening line where you said ‘I may be wrong….’

I admit to being intolerant of some political views. Proudly intolerant. I do not ever want to be tolerant of reactionary opinion, and especially not the policies and actions that come from that.

I have never said that all Tory or UKIP voters are racist. Some aren’t.

And just to ensure you are fully triggered, I have no problem at all with the SWP. Fine upstanding people even if they are hopelessly wrong about ‘state capitalism’ in the former degenerated and deformed workers states.

Now I’m off to the Tesco clothing thread where the real political debate is raging!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

A Labour voter being upset over their child marrying a Tory or UKIP or BNP or similar sounds totally rational to me.

Support for a political party - for their policies, values and culture - is very different from supporting a different football club. When you see hatred or harm to others endorsed by someone your child plans to spend their life with, then a bit of upset is justified!

Not intolerance, just concern for your child and your society.

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Hatred and harm in a country that is recognised as a tolerant and inclusive one .


When does this moaning end ?

There's a far bit of hatred just on this board with" kill the tories" and other vile comments.

It seems to me folk have a lot of hatred spouted from keyboards.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Hatred and harm in a country that is recognised as a tolerant and inclusive one .


When does this moaning end ?

There's a far bit of hatred just on this board with" kill the tories" and other vile comments.

It seems to me folk have a lot of hatred spouted from keyboards.

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It certainly doesn't end at single, male refugees that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Hatred and harm in a country that is recognised as a tolerant and inclusive one .


When does this moaning end ?

There's a far bit of hatred just on this board with" kill the tories" and other vile comments.

It seems to me folk have a lot of hatred spouted from keyboards.

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Who on here says "kill the tories" and means it? I've seen it used by a right wing snowflake (sure there's more of them than there are left wing ones - look how hysterical the Tory right got last week when Tobias Elwood suggested the UK tried to rejoin the single market), presumably in an ironic way, who posts on here, but that's about it as far as I can see - maybe some who hate the tories so much don't recognise your claim that we are a "tolerant and inclusive country"?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Hatred and harm in a country that is recognised as a tolerant and inclusive one .


When does this moaning end ?

There's a far bit of hatred just on this board with" kill the tories" and other vile comments.

It seems to me folk have a lot of hatred spouted from keyboards.

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tolerant isn't the good word you think it is. Tolerance infers a grudging acceptance, rather that an innate desire.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Who on here says "kill the tories" and means it? I've seen it used by a right wing snowflake (sure there's more of them than there are left wing ones - look how hysterical the Tory right got last week when Tobias Elwood suggested the UK tried to rejoin the single market), presumably in an ironic way, who posts on here, but that's about it as far as I can see - maybe some who hate the tories so much don't recognise your claim that we are a "tolerant and inclusive country"?

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Correct me if I am wrong, but what you are saying is that you can't take at face value what anyone posts on this forum, and when they posts are made that are derogatory, the poster doesn't necessarily mean it.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Correct me if I am wrong, but what you are saying is that you can't take at face value what anyone posts on this forum, and when they posts are made that are derogatory, the poster doesn't necessarily mean it.

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What? I don’t understand what your getting at. The only person I can remember posting “kill the Tories” is that poster called native hipster or something like that - a look at his posting history will tell you it is very unlikely that he’s being serious in saying that.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I still think it's different. If Siobhan is quietly practicing her religion then she's not impacting or hurting anybody else, whereas who you vote for can speak to your core values

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A religious belief is also associated with core values. Either way, the problem with bigots is that they typically misinterpret someones core values. So they may fear Catholics because they think they want to impose the pope on them, or they fear muslims because they want to impose sharia law.

Or they fear Labour voters because they want to make the country communist, or, in Jon1959's case; he fears Tories because of his own interpretation of what they represent. But the Tory manifesto advocated gay rights, fulfilling a referendum result, support for jobs, economic growth, liberalism, all the rest of it.

The overwhelming majority of Tory and Labour voters are perfectly reasonable and good people. To hate them for it is not reasonable.

In my opinion, unquestionably Jon 1959 fits the bill of being a bigot. By his own definition he fits the description perfectly. The difference is, he thinks that his bigotry is acceptable, but then that is also a defining characteristic of all bigots.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

In my opinion, unquestionably Jon 1959 fits the bill of being a bigot. By his own definition he fits the description perfectly. The difference is, he thinks that his bigotry is acceptable, but then that is also a defining characteristic of all bigots.

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Thanks for that. As expected a case study in misuse of language and smug posturing for effect. Go on then, I will bite.

To be clear I do not ‘fear’ Tories - I respect a few but dislike their core values and their policies. Some I despise (along with a few in other parties). My dislike comes from what they do and say and my experience of them over a lifetime - not for the place or culture they were born into.

That is not bigotry.

Your position is once again one where you get offended if someone will not follow your twisted version of ‘even handedness’. You know - flat earthers views as valid as astronomers, white supremacists views as valid as anti racists. That nonsense mixed up with knee jerk defence of the government in any thread where they are challenged or ridiculed is your signature response.

To get away from your distortion of terms like bigotry remember the word that started this was ‘upset’. Many things are upsetting - from A&E waiting times to cup final penalty misses, but upset is certainly justified if someone close to me chooses to adopt a set of political beliefs or cultures that I have spent my life campaigning against.

That may make me intolerant of selfish individualism or Little Englander nationalism - I’ll take that happily. Intolerance is not bigotry.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Thanks for that. As expected a case study in misuse of language and smug posturing for effect. Go on then, I will bite.

To be clear I do not ‘fear’ Tories - I respect a few but dislike their core values and their policies. Some I despise (along with a few in other parties). My dislike comes from what they do and say and my experience of them over a lifetime - not for the place or culture they were born into.

That is not bigotry.

Your position is once again one where you get offended if someone will not follow your twisted version of ‘even handedness’. You know - flat earthers views as valid as astronomers, white supremacists views as valid as anti racists. That nonsense mixed up with knee jerk defence of the government in any thread where they are challenged or ridiculed is your signature response.

To get away from your distortion of terms like bigotry remember the word that started this was ‘upset’. Many things are upsetting - from A&E waiting times to cup final penalty misses, but upset is certainly justified if someone close to me chooses to adopt a set of political beliefs or cultures that I have spent my life campaigning against.

That may make me intolerant of selfish individualism or Little Englander nationalism - I’ll take that happily. Intolerance is not bigotry.

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Defend it all you like, but you justified people being upset over who someone marries based on whether they voted for a centre-right or centre-left party and on that characteristic alone. Not on the basis of their character or a thousand other aspects of their personality.

There's no smugness involved, although I sense the smugness in which you paraded that view may have subsided.

I'm just calling you out and saying, based on your own words, you are almost the dictionary definition of a bigot.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Defend it all you like, but you justified people being upset over who someone marries based on whether they voted for a centre-right or centre-left party and on that characteristic alone. Not on the basis of their character or a thousand other aspects of their personality.

There's no smugness involved, although I sense the smugness in which you paraded that view may have subsided.

I'm just calling you out and saying, based on your own words, you are almost the dictionary definition of a bigot.

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So you consider a set of political beliefs to be the equivalent of a thousand ‘other aspects’ of personality? Good grief. That helps to explain the distortions in your dictionary. Have you looked up ‘false equivalence’? Or ‘upset’?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

So you consider a set of political beliefs to be the equivalent of a thousand ‘other aspects’ of personality? Good grief. That helps to explain the distortions in your dictionary. Have you looked up ‘false equivalence’? Or ‘upset’?

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Not everyone who votes for a party sometimes as infrequently as once every five years holds the same fundamental outlook on life as every other of the millions of people who happen to do the same. Not all Labour voters are the same. Not all Lib Dems. Not all Tories. There will be uncaring people, selfish people, stupid people, kind, tolerant, intelligent people amongst them all. Some will be complete arseholes, but most are decent people who just happen to have a different opinion to you.

In the vast majority of cases, that view will be perfectly reasonable and it is YOUR opinion and judgement of them that is entirely distorted. They may vote Tory to lower unemployment or because they like the MP in question. Who are you to judge them for it, least of all cast shame on someone for loving someone merely because of how their partner votes?

A decent open minded person will judge people on their character, not on how they happen to vote or any other identity they may hold. History is littered with people who have been discriminated against and worse for perfectly reasonable political opinions.

Like I said, I think you are a bigot, but your bigotry is acceptable to you, but that is the case with them all.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Not everyone who votes for a party sometimes as infrequently as once every five years holds the same fundamental outlook on life as every other of the millions of people who happen to do the same. Not all Labour voters are the same. Not all Lib Dems. Not all Tories. There will be uncaring people, selfish people, stupid people, kind, tolerant, intelligent people amongst them all. Some will be complete arseholes, but most are decent people who just happen to have a different opinion to you.

In the vast majority of cases, that view will be perfectly reasonable and it is YOUR opinion and judgement of them that is entirely distorted. They may vote Tory to lower unemployment or because they like the MP in question. Who are you to judge them for it, least of all cast shame on someone for loving someone merely because of how their partner votes?

A decent open minded person will judge people on their character, not on how they happen to vote or any other identity they may hold. History is littered with people who have been discriminated against and worse for perfectly reasonable political opinions.

Like I said, I think you are a bigot, but your bigotry is acceptable to you, but that is the case with them all.

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So you would be fine with your kid marrying a white supremacist then? Or an extremist Islamic preacher? You would rather your kid married a bigot than be accused of being one yourself?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

So you would be fine with your kid marrying a white supremacist then? Or an extremist Islamic preacher? You would rather your kid married a bigot than be accused of being one yourself?

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You have got it Eric.

Intolerance of bigotry is bigotry in JamesWorld.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

You have got it Eric.

Intolerance of bigotry is bigotry in JamesWorld.

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If Eric and Jon think a White Supremacist or extremist islamic preacher are comparable to someone who happens to vote for the Labour or Tory party then you are many things as well as being a bigot.

For a start, in almost every circumstance the two things you cite are illegal, whereas little Jonny who loves your daughter but happens to vote Tory cos he thinks they will be better for the economy or something is not.

Such a preposterous example that rather proves my point really, so thanks for that :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

If Eric and Jon think a White Supremacist or extremist islamic preacher are comparable to someone who happens to vote for the Labour or Tory party then you are many things as well as being a bigot.

For a start, in almost every circumstance the two things you cite are illegal, whereas little Jonny who loves your daughter but happens to vote Tory cos he thinks they will be better for the economy or something is not.

Such a preposterous example that rather proves my point really, so thanks for that :thumbup:

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In what circumstances is it illegal to be a white supremacist or to preach a more radical version of Islam in the UK? It might be illegal to join certain groups but I don't remember people being convicted for having a belief or opinion.

It is only a preposterous example to somebody who sees everything in black and white, right or wrong. It is a spectrum and we are just talking about where you draw the line, which is going to be personal preference.

Take Zouma for instance. Some people couldn't give a **** that he booted his cat across the floor, they can hold that view but I don't care what their reason is for thinking that, I won't be their friend. They can be friends with each other and laugh about abusing animals together.

I have a pal who tries his best to defend some of the terrible shit Boris has done, we just don't talk politics. My personal line is somewhere beyond that so he and I can still get on but something doesn't need to be illegal for me to disagree with it enough that I don't want to involve myself with people who agree with it.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

In what circumstances is it illegal to be a white supremacist or to preach a more radical version of Islam in the UK? It might be illegal to join certain groups but I don't remember people being convicted for having a belief or opinion.

It is only a preposterous example to somebody who sees everything in black and white, right or wrong. It is a spectrum and we are just talking about where you draw the line, which is going to be personal preference.

Take Zouma for instance. Some people couldn't give a **** that he booted his cat across the floor, they can hold that view but I don't care what their reason is for thinking that, I won't be their friend. They can be friends with each other and laugh about abusing animals together.

I have a pal who tries his best to defend some of the terrible shit Boris has done, we just don't talk politics. My personal line is somewhere beyond that so he and I can still get on but something doesn't need to be illegal for me to disagree with it enough that I don't want to involve myself with people who agree with it.

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Are you seriously continuing down this line of comparing white supremacy or radical islamic preaching to voting for the Tories or Labour? And you are accusing me of black and white thinking? That is the exact opposite of what I'm doing.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Are you seriously continuing down this line of comparing white supremacy or radical islamic preaching to voting for the Tories or Labour? And you are accusing me of black and white thinking? That is the exact opposite of what I'm doing.

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Either you don't get it or you don't want to get it. I'll try one last time. I'm not comparing it, I am acknowledging that every view exists along a spectrum and different people will draw their line in different places.

It is black/white to suggest that the line is the same for everybody. For instance, somebody could well make the argument that Labour and the Tories have both changed significantly over the past few years and therefore so has their acceptance of people who share common values with each party.

This is painful to be honest James. I don't think you are an idiot so I have to assume you are deliberately misinterpreting what I am saying in order to feel as though you are 'winning'. If that is the case then crack on because it is completely pointless talking to you.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Either you don't get it or you don't want to get it. I'll try one last time. I'm not comparing it, I am acknowledging that every view exists along a spectrum and different people will draw their line in different places.

It is black/white to suggest that the line is the same for everybody. For instance, somebody could well make the argument that Labour and the Tories have both changed significantly over the past few years and therefore so has their acceptance of people who share common values with each party.

This is painful to be honest James. I don't think you are an idiot so I have to assume you are deliberately misinterpreting what I am saying in order to feel as though you are 'winning'. If that is the case then crack on because it is completely pointless talking to you.

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You are crackers Eric. Someone on here saying it's legit to dislike people because of who they vote for I call them out on that, you then ramble on about god knows what.

Of course there are spectrums. Normal people think in spectrums and understand that. Bigots don't. They will use a binary determinant (race, ethnicity, religion, political party) and judge someone on that.

That you have to bring in white supremacy shows how weak the argument you are making is. I fully understand that people draw their line at different places. I get that, but if you draw the line that you would object to your son or daughter marrying a Tory or Labour voter then you are a bigot (and a fool) and bigotry isn't acceptable, end of. It's an arsehole thing to be.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You are crackers Eric. Someone on here saying it's legit to dislike people because of who they vote for I call them out on that, you then ramble on about god knows what.

Of course there are spectrums. Normal people think in spectrums and understand that. Bigots don't. They will use a binary determinant (race, ethnicity, religion, political party) and judge someone on that.

That you have to bring in white supremacy shows how weak the argument you are making is. I fully understand that people draw their line at different places. I get that, but if you draw the line that you would object to your son or daughter marrying a Tory or Labour voter then you are a bigot (and a fool) and bigotry isn't acceptable, end of. It's an arsehole thing to be.

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That is how the world works unfortunately James. How many Jews marry Muslims? How many evangelical Christians marry atheists. Do you consider every religious person who deliberately chooses to marry within their faith a bigot? People divide along ideological lines. It isn't a massive shock to me that Britain has become this politically divided that political views are now as entrenched as religious views.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

That is how the world works unfortunately James. How many Jews marry Muslims? How many evangelical Christians marry atheists. Do you consider every religious person who deliberately chooses to marry within their faith a bigot? People divide along ideological lines. It isn't a massive shock to me that Britain has become this politically divided that political views are now as entrenched as religious views.

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Yes, I know. And it's not a good thing and when it creeps in it should be challenged and called out. There are lots of bad things in the world, that alas is a given. Doing nothing about them is a bad thing.

Britain becoming a more politically sectarian country comes with wholly negative consequences which is why we should push against it. Debate - yes. Disagree - yes. Say you would be upset if your son was in love with and married a Tory or Labour or Remain or Leave voter? No chance!

Looking at the definition of the word “Bigot” posted earlier in the thread, the Biblical term “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” springs to mind. Given the way I bang on about Johnson and his party on here, I’m a bigot based on that definition and, more than that, I’d say that the person who is accusing others of being one in this thread is one as well considering the way he, almost without fail, springs to the Government’s defence whenever they are criticised.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Looking at the definition of the word “Bigot” posted earlier in the thread, the Biblical term “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” springs to mind. Given the way I bang on about Johnson and his party on here, I’m a bigot based on that definition and, more than that, I’d say that the person who is accusing others of being one in this thread is one as well considering the way he, almost without fail, springs to the Government’s defence whenever they are criticised.

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Yeah I don't think sometimes defending the government in a debate if I think someone has posted something that is wrong or I disagree with is quite the same as hating on someone for how they happen to vote in elections tbf.

That is a good bible quote though.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yeah I don't think sometimes defending the government in a debate if I think someone has posted something that is wrong or I disagree with is quite the same as hating on someone for how they [B]happen[\b] to vote in elections tbf.

That is a good bible quote though.

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Maybe that is one of the issues here, people attach very different levels of importance to politics. For some people it is life or death, for others it is basically just ticking a box every few years depending on how they feel that day.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Maybe that is one of the issues here, people attach very different levels of importance to politics. For some people it is life or death, for others it is basically just ticking a box every few years depending on how they feel that day.

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Think it also becomes very personal for them , due to their particular circumstances, and we should all consider and respect that I guess

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Maybe that is one of the issues here, people attach very different levels of importance to politics. For some people it is life or death, for others it is basically just ticking a box every few years depending on how they feel that day.

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Of course, and that goes without saying. Although the same goes for religion. That doesn't make judging or discriminating against someone on that basis acceptable, positive or progressive or a nice thing to do.

I love politics, but I respect all opinions and don't judge someones character on how they happen to vote - that's not right or fair.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yeah I don't think sometimes defending the government in a debate if I think someone has posted something that is wrong or I disagree with is quite the same as hating on someone for how they happen to vote in elections tbf.

That is a good bible quote though.

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If I think that definition describes me to an extent, I’m not sure why you should think it doesn’t describe yourself .By that definition, anyone who argues from a preset ideological or political position could be called a bigot - as in so many things, it’s a question of degree, I’d never considered myself, or you, a bigot before and, in truth, I don’t now, but that definition does sound a bit like me.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Of course, and that goes without saying. Although the same goes for religion. That doesn't make judging or discriminating against someone on that basis acceptable, positive or progressive or a nice thing to do.

I love politics, but I respect all opinions and don't judge someones character on how they happen to vote - that's not right or fair.

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I think this is what Eric was getting at with his black and white comment though, if you just say "I respect all opinions" you by definition respect the opinion of a white supremacist no? Or talking in political terms, say the BNP? And in your view if someone doesn't, or dislikes someone purely for their membership of the BNP does that make them a bigot?

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I think this is what Eric was getting at with his black and white comment though, if you just say "I respect all opinions" you by definition respect the opinion of a white supremacist no? Or talking in political terms, say the BNP? And in your view if someone doesn't, or dislikes someone purely for their membership of the BNP does that make them a bigot?

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Yes, I understand that wider point, but we weren't talking about the BNP or white supremacists though. We were talking about a survey that referred to Labour, Tories, Remain and Leave voters, so that was a strawman argument.

The BNP and white supremacists DO discriminate based on peoples characteristics. To oppose that is fair enough (although I still wouldnt go so far as claiming every element of that person is bad) but that isn't the case with the parties or positions being discussed here.

Of course, some will seek to demonise views, as others seek to demonise religions, which is a part of the whole thought process of having bigoted opinions. But that doesn't make it so. If I don't want my son to marry a muslim because she's a muslim, I may well think it, but that doesn't make my opinion right, fair, just, moderate.

My point is that people who do judge on whether someone votes Labour, Tory, Leave, Remain etc are wrong to do so, and that they should be more open minded in their approach. I'm not saying it's as bad as other forms of bigotry but it's cut from the same cloth (in my opinion) and is a cause of just as much discord and hatred in the world as other forms of discrimination

They are free to disagree, but I think in the instances discussed it absolutely counts as bigotry.

And yeah, maybe people should moderate their language a little on all this. That more than anything is the point I am making, and will always make.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yes, I understand that wider point, but we weren't talking about the BNP or white supremacists though. We were talking about a survey that referred to Labour, Tories, Remain and Leave voters, so that was a strawman argument.

The BNP and white supremacists DO discriminate based on peoples characteristics. To oppose that is fair enough (although I still wouldnt go so far as claiming every element of that person is bad) but that isn't the case with the parties or positions being discussed here.

Of course, some will seek to demonise views, as others seek to demonise religions, which is a part of the whole thought process of having bigoted opinions. But that doesn't make it so. If I don't want my son to marry a muslim because she's a muslim, I may well think it, but that doesn't make my opinion right, fair, just, moderate.

My point is that people who do judge on whether someone votes Labour, Tory, Leave, Remain etc are wrong to do so, and that they should be more open minded in their approach. I'm not saying it's as bad as other forms of bigotry but it's cut from the same cloth (in my opinion) and is a cause of just as much discord and hatred in the world as other forms of discrimination

They are free to disagree, but I think in the instances discussed it absolutely counts as bigotry.

And yeah, maybe people should moderate their language a little on all this. That more than anything is the point I am making, and will always make.

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It isn't a straw man at all, I was trying to tease out exactly what delmbox says above. Essentially, do I need to be tolerant of every view along the spectrum to not be a bigot in your eyes or are you only referring to non-acceptance of those with 'moderate' views.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

What? I don’t understand what your getting at. The only person I can remember posting “kill the Tories” is that poster called native hipster or something like that - a look at his posting history will tell you it is very unlikely that he’s being serious in saying that.

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My post is quite clear - when someone posts "kill the tories", you believe they don't really mean it. I agree.

I do wonder if you extend a similar courtesy to those who post similar comments aimed at other groups.

Eric
Do you think it's normal behaviour to ostracise family member based on who they support / the music they listen to / the party they vote for?

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What would it take for you to accept Eric's view is as valid as your own ?

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

My post is quite clear - when someone posts "kill the tories", you believe they don't really mean it. I agree.

I do wonder if you extend a similar courtesy to those who post similar comments aimed at other groups.

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So you think I’d believe someone on here who said “kill the socialists”?

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Eric
Do you think it's normal behaviour to ostracise family member based on who they support / the music they listen to / the party they vote for?

James
What would it take for you to accept Eric's view is as valid as your own ?

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Me? I don't really have a view. It's probably quite normal but not likely to be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Hatred and harm in a country that is recognised as a tolerant and inclusive one .


When does this moaning end ?

There's a far bit of hatred just on this board with" kill the tories" and other vile comments.

It seems to me folk have a lot of hatred spouted from keyboards.

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We await your reaction if your daughter walked into your living room with an unnaturally-born Uk boyfriend with some interest!

It seems one of the alleged trans protest Zahawi faced was the son Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls they chanted transphobe' and 'Tory scum'

He was heckled for his views on trans , he then sits down to cheers from Labour activists , the question was it trans protest , Tory scum protest , an attack on free free speech , one may never know or want to know .

Labour has a real issue with this subject matter and I do think they need tom tread careful as a lot of women do consider themselves as adult human females.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

It seems one of the alleged trans protest Zahawi faced was the son Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls they chanted transphobe' and 'Tory scum'

He was heckled for his views on trans , he then sits down to cheers from Labour activists , the question was it trans protest , Tory scum protest , an attack on free free speech , one may never know or want to know .

Labour has a real issue with this subject matter and I do think they need tom tread careful as a lot of women do consider themselves as adult human females.

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I would think an overwhelming majority of adult human females don't think that prostitutes get the easiest money ever as you did today either. Respect though!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So you think I’d believe someone on here who said “kill the socialists”?

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So we can brush off hate speech if we think it's not really against a group that have traditionally been targeted.

What do you think the families of Jo Cox and David Amess would make of such comments?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

It seems one of the alleged trans protest Zahawi faced was the son Yvette Cooper and Ed Balls they chanted transphobe' and 'Tory scum'

He was heckled for his views on trans , he then sits down to cheers from Labour activists , the question was it trans protest , Tory scum protest , an attack on free free speech , one may never know or want to know .

Labour has a real issue with this subject matter and I do think they need tom tread careful as a lot of women do consider themselves as adult human females.

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I've read this several times and I'm none the wiser on the point you're trying to make.