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Some people are desperate for the Hunter laptop to be fake, others want the Sweden data to be false. I guess some people are too invested in their arguments, and they can't admit to being wrong. Russia collusion anybody? :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Somehow, I didn’t for one second think you would agree with anything that’s against the narrative, that being said it’s clear that the long term effects of lockdown on the healthy population is nothing more than disastrous both in terms of the economy and social / personal development,especially in young children.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I appreciate you are more than likely in the over 60 vulnerable group so you will naturally think differently.
Perhaps this one will help
https://twitter.com/chgefaell/status...LhmySD2aRt-GNg
Nothing to do with narrative. The tweet you posted gave a distorted explanation for the same thing. More Swedes per capita died in the time before lockdowns were imposed there then vaccines were introduced than in comparable countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I don't understand what the second tweet is meant to show? There are a couple of lines on graphs stating covid deaths and excess deaths for a nine month period. Can you explain what it is proving?
Apparently Sweden also had a significant amount of deaths in care homes which may have not actually had anything to do with Covid ( but that’s another debate ) Many people died “with Covid” which would have inflated the figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
What about this one https://reason.com/volokh/2023/01/10...covid-arrived/
Yes I have read the post Covid reports on Sweden. I guess no-one will ever know what death statistics would have looked like if they hadn't locked down before vaccines were made available to save many more lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I still don't get the previous tweet though so happy for you to explain how it fits in the conversation.
I work for a Swedish company, and know many Swedes.
most I've spoken to wish that had locked down sooner than they eventually did.
This SwedenQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Sweden's no-lockdown COVID strategy was broadly correct, commission suggests
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sweden...irus-1.6364154
Why? I know lot's of jab-shy people, and they are all still here wandering around as though nothing happened, except for the odd cough and runny nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The lockdown and vaccine are different things though aren't they. I have different opinions on them. Lockdown did huge and long lasting damage to society IMO. The Vaccine, whilst I suspect there wasn't enough research on it did get us out of that hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I'm only going on empirical evidence here, but I failed to see any devastation amongst the jab-shy that I was expecting to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Well no, if you were not in a vulnerable group I doubt it made a damn bit of difference if you had the vaccine or not. My kids havent had it. It didn't prevent you passing it on so thats the big thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I'm pro vaccine though and was one of the first of my age to have it. I didn't feel it protected me, but it got us out of Covid which in some senses was a lifesaver.
It's been a couple of years now since the last lockdown, so what damage do you think we're still feeling?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
When I had covid the symptoms lasted for one night, which is less than a cold, so I think it protected me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Massive legacy in terms of mental health, reduced contact and mixing, social interactions etc. Work from home having a big impact still. I think we are a much more paranoid and anxious society now. Huge delays in getting anything done, from passports to hip ops. The Covid period altered nearly every social statistic going and we havent recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
But yeah, it's not what it was during lockdown, but there is still a long lasting legacy IMO.
You don't think so?
It also bankrupted the country and the rest of the world, and the effect of that is still coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I never think about the lockdowns. I've not heard anyone discuss them for months. It's anecdotal based on my experience, which is worthless, but I haven't read of any studies that show a massive legacy of mental health problems. Maybe they exist and the research has been done.
Can we really still blame long delays at the passport office etc on the lockdown? There's probably other more bureaucratic and financial reasons for it. Unless it's a global problem that all countries who locked down are still experiencing. Maybe research exists for that too.
Working from home seems pretty popular amongst employees.
I didn't enjoy the lockdowns any more than anyone else. I worried about long term effects, particularly on kids development like my own kids. But humans are pretty resilient, its more of a bad memory and bad memories get better with time.
Agree with so much of this. Let's face it, unless you're over, say, eighty five, the pandemic was the most traumatic thing our society has been through in their lifetimes and isn't the truth that it would have had a traumatising effect, lockdown or not? In fact, isn't it a reasonable argument to say that no lockdown would have seen more cases of Covid and more deaths? If that were true then the current backlogs and delays in non Covid health treatment may well have been worse because many staff would have been diverted to treat Covid cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
More cases and deaths would have led to more cases of Coved related mental problems wouldn't it or are we supposed to believe that if everyone went about their normal business with no lockdown three years ago, we would have been back to "normal" now?
That said, my experience is like yours in that people I talk to are largely "over" lockdown now. Interestingly, at 67, I'm a bit on the young side when it comes to fellow dog walkers I meet and talk to - many of them are 70 plus (i.e. the age group most at risk from Covid) and, apart from the odd comment if someone they know has had Covid, the pandemic barely gets a mention these days. I can't remember the last time lockdown was discussed either.
As you say, people are generally resilient and, if anything, children are even moreso. However, I share your concern about what effect what was, in some respects, a missed school year might have on many kids, although it seems to me that it will be ten to fifteen years before we start to discover if todays seven to twenty year old were seriously affected by lockdowns.
We will all have different experiences of it, no question. Mine is wholly negative, aside from the first couple of weeks, which were alright and perhaps even needed by society). Long term, nothing positive has emerged as far as I'm concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
And that's more about the impact of the whole thing, not just lockdowns per se, which were of course the main thrust of it.
Not me!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Racoon dogs in Wuhan 'did not spread Covid to humans'
New in-depth genetic analysis suggests there is barely any Covid-19 intermixed with raccoon dog DNA
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-raccoon-dogs/
Funny that , my ex girlfriend is Swedish and am still in contact with her and she says the opposite as do her friends , family and peers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I wish we were still locked down until at least 2030, and I'm 5% Swedish.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Ex girlfriend? Swedish you say? Does she like handsome Cardiff City fans with an admiration for Sweden's limited lockdown policies?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
You might be pondering just how much this flush is busted when it is just not me, Lardy and TBG taking the piss!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Huh ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Why do you keep engaging with me , I think you’re weird , so much so , as when you imagine what an internet troll is like you fit the bill exactly.
Stop craving attention.
Be honest you're getting attention, you love itQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Contrary to your statement I think you will find that’s incorrect , but what I don’t like is nerds hiding behind online anonymity orchestrating pile ons to posters with differing opinions. It’s childish and unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
The thing with narcissists is that they love attention right up to the point they get attention for their own stupidity. Then they decend into denial and hissy fits. This is what you are witnessing at the moment as the internet persona TWGL1 goes the way of RonnieBird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
Good one. ( says the guy who announced to everyone he’s leaving the board only to pop up a few weeks later ) I love the fact that you get so wound up over numerous posters who have different opinions.
Think you mean the same person as numerous posters with the same opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Wow so you keep saying …. We have been there and discussed that and you have been offered a solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
This is getting embarrassing now. I mean, any decent parent with a 6 year old on a Friday night should be spending quality family time with his child at this hour. Yet here you are again getting wound up on a football messageboard whilst the poor lad wonders what Papa is doing during the hours of 6pm and his bedtime yet again!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I’m not wound up at all my friend and I agree with you with the later part and I’m off soon when he comes home.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
It gets more fantastic by the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
What goes through your head , seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I sometimes wonderQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Have a good evening anyway and chill
Yeah, sorry for the smiley.....typo!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Out of curiosity why do ask so many personal questions regarding my self and how come you recall personal details I’ve posted ?
The thing is you volunteer this info to create a persona. Trying to maintain it must be exhausting when people have a some time on their hands. Particularly when the charade exploded as hilariously as it did this week. Keep on digging though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
As an example a poster called pipster sent me this completely out of the blue. Obviously before he sought to establish that he had a 14 year old child hell bent on going to Blackpool.
I jumped ship off here a while back mate - it was being hijacked by certain people - who unless they were agreed with went all in - and it became a joke.
So for a laugh I jumped ship to the 'other place' - that was alright for a while - unless you question the leader or said anything about Sam - and then you'd get banned (like i did)
I dont mind chewing the fat over a bit of politics / football / business etc,
I used to work for the council, then left and went to work inthe private sector and then setup my own business - so my leanings these days are towards anyone pro business (as i know how effing hard it is).
The old man used to be a fire brand union rep - so Ive had all the socialist stuff rammed down by throat for years - until I realised it's proper business that makes the world tick compared to being a council jobs worth (like I used to be - haha)
This board is full of silly posters, thing is, you are most of them!