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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'm only going on empirical evidence here, but I failed to see any devastation amongst the jab-shy that I was expecting to see.
    Well no, if you were not in a vulnerable group I doubt it made a damn bit of difference if you had the vaccine or not. My kids havent had it. It didn't prevent you passing it on so thats the big thing.

    I'm pro vaccine though and was one of the first of my age to have it. I didn't feel it protected me, but it got us out of Covid which in some senses was a lifesaver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The lockdown and vaccine are different things though aren't they. I have different opinions on them. Lockdown did huge and long lasting damage to society IMO. The Vaccine, whilst I suspect there wasn't enough research on it did get us out of that hell.
    It's been a couple of years now since the last lockdown, so what damage do you think we're still feeling?

  3. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Well no, if you were not in a vulnerable group I doubt it made a damn bit of difference if you had the vaccine or not. My kids havent had it. It didn't prevent you passing it on so thats the big thing.

    I'm pro vaccine though and was one of the first of my age to have it. I didn't feel it protected me, but it got us out of Covid which in some senses was a lifesaver.
    When I had covid the symptoms lasted for one night, which is less than a cold, so I think it protected me.

  4. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    It's been a couple of years now since the last lockdown, so what damage do you think we're still feeling?
    Massive legacy in terms of mental health, reduced contact and mixing, social interactions etc. Work from home having a big impact still. I think we are a much more paranoid and anxious society now. Huge delays in getting anything done, from passports to hip ops. The Covid period altered nearly every social statistic going and we havent recovered.

    But yeah, it's not what it was during lockdown, but there is still a long lasting legacy IMO.

    You don't think so?

  5. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Massive legacy in terms of mental health, reduced contact and mixing, social interactions etc. Work from home having a big impact still. I think we are a much more paranoid and anxious society now. Huge delays in getting anything done, from passports to hip ops. The Covid period altered nearly every social statistic going and we havent recovered.

    But yeah, it's not what it was during lockdown, but there is still a long lasting legacy IMO.

    You don't think so?
    It also bankrupted the country and the rest of the world, and the effect of that is still coming.

  6. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Massive legacy in terms of mental health, reduced contact and mixing, social interactions etc. Work from home having a big impact still. I think we are a much more paranoid and anxious society now. Huge delays in getting anything done, from passports to hip ops. The Covid period altered nearly every social statistic going and we havent recovered.

    But yeah, it's not what it was during lockdown, but there is still a long lasting legacy IMO.

    You don't think so?
    Not really.

    I never think about the lockdowns. I've not heard anyone discuss them for months. It's anecdotal based on my experience, which is worthless, but I haven't read of any studies that show a massive legacy of mental health problems. Maybe they exist and the research has been done.

    Can we really still blame long delays at the passport office etc on the lockdown? There's probably other more bureaucratic and financial reasons for it. Unless it's a global problem that all countries who locked down are still experiencing. Maybe research exists for that too.

    Working from home seems pretty popular amongst employees.

    I didn't enjoy the lockdowns any more than anyone else. I worried about long term effects, particularly on kids development like my own kids. But humans are pretty resilient, its more of a bad memory and bad memories get better with time.

  7. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Not really.

    I never think about the lockdowns. I've not heard anyone discuss them for months. It's anecdotal based on my experience, which is worthless, but I haven't read of any studies that show a massive legacy of mental health problems. Maybe they exist and the research has been done.

    Can we really still blame long delays at the passport office etc on the lockdown? There's probably other more bureaucratic and financial reasons for it. Unless it's a global problem that all countries who locked down are still experiencing. Maybe research exists for that too.

    Working from home seems pretty popular amongst employees.

    I didn't enjoy the lockdowns any more than anyone else. I worried about long term effects, particularly on kids development like my own kids. But humans are pretty resilient, its more of a bad memory and bad memories get better with time.
    Agree with so much of this. Let's face it, unless you're over, say, eighty five, the pandemic was the most traumatic thing our society has been through in their lifetimes and isn't the truth that it would have had a traumatising effect, lockdown or not? In fact, isn't it a reasonable argument to say that no lockdown would have seen more cases of Covid and more deaths? If that were true then the current backlogs and delays in non Covid health treatment may well have been worse because many staff would have been diverted to treat Covid cases.

    More cases and deaths would have led to more cases of Coved related mental problems wouldn't it or are we supposed to believe that if everyone went about their normal business with no lockdown three years ago, we would have been back to "normal" now?

    That said, my experience is like yours in that people I talk to are largely "over" lockdown now. Interestingly, at 67, I'm a bit on the young side when it comes to fellow dog walkers I meet and talk to - many of them are 70 plus (i.e. the age group most at risk from Covid) and, apart from the odd comment if someone they know has had Covid, the pandemic barely gets a mention these days. I can't remember the last time lockdown was discussed either.

    As you say, people are generally resilient and, if anything, children are even moreso. However, I share your concern about what effect what was, in some respects, a missed school year might have on many kids, although it seems to me that it will be ten to fifteen years before we start to discover if todays seven to twenty year old were seriously affected by lockdowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Agree with so much of this. Let's face it, unless you're over, say, eighty five, the pandemic was the most traumatic thing our society has been through in their lifetimes and isn't the truth that it would have had a traumatising effect, lockdown or not? In fact, isn't it a reasonable argument to say that no lockdown would have seen more cases of Covid and more deaths? If that were true then the current backlogs and delays in non Covid health treatment may well have been worse because many staff would have been diverted to treat Covid cases.

    More cases and deaths would have led to more cases of Coved related mental problems wouldn't it or are we supposed to believe that if everyone went about their normal business with no lockdown three years ago, we would have been back to "normal" now?

    That said, my experience is like yours in that people I talk to are largely "over" lockdown now. Interestingly, at 67, I'm a bit on the young side when it comes to fellow dog walkers I meet and talk to - many of them are 70 plus (i.e. the age group most at risk from Covid) and, apart from the odd comment if someone they know has had Covid, the pandemic barely gets a mention these days. I can't remember the last time lockdown was discussed either.

    As you say, people are generally resilient and, if anything, children are even moreso. However, I share your concern about what effect what was, in some respects, a missed school year might have on many kids, although it seems to me that it will be ten to fifteen years before we start to discover if todays seven to twenty year old were seriously affected by lockdowns.
    We will all have different experiences of it, no question. Mine is wholly negative, aside from the first couple of weeks, which were alright and perhaps even needed by society). Long term, nothing positive has emerged as far as I'm concerned.

    And that's more about the impact of the whole thing, not just lockdowns per se, which were of course the main thrust of it.

  9. #59

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...an-market-data

    Newly released genetic data gathered from a live food market in Wuhan has linked Covid-19 with raccoon dogs, adding weight to the theory that infected animals sold at the site started the coronavirus pandemic, researchers involved in the work say.

    Who'd have thunk it!
    Not me!

    Racoon dogs in Wuhan 'did not spread Covid to humans'

    New in-depth genetic analysis suggests there is barely any Covid-19 intermixed with raccoon dog DNA

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-raccoon-dogs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I work for a Swedish company, and know many Swedes.

    most I've spoken to wish that had locked down sooner than they eventually did.
    Funny that , my ex girlfriend is Swedish and am still in contact with her and she says the opposite as do her friends , family and peers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Funny that , my ex girlfriend is Swedish and am still in contact with her and she says the opposite as do her friends , family and peers.
    I wish we were still locked down until at least 2030, and I'm 5% Swedish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Funny that , my ex girlfriend is Swedish and am still in contact with her and she says the opposite as do her friends , family and peers.
    Ex girlfriend? Swedish you say? Does she like handsome Cardiff City fans with an admiration for Sweden's limited lockdown policies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Funny that , my ex girlfriend is Swedish and am still in contact with her and she says the opposite as do her friends , family and peers.
    You might be pondering just how much this flush is busted when it is just not me, Lardy and TBG taking the piss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    You might be pondering just how much this flush is busted when it is just not me, Lardy and TBG taking the piss!
    Huh ?
    Why do you keep engaging with me , I think you’re weird , so much so , as when you imagine what an internet troll is like you fit the bill exactly.

    Stop craving attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Huh ?
    Why do you keep engaging with me , I think you’re weird , so much as when you imagine what an internet troll is like you fit the bill exactly.
    Be honest you're getting attention, you love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    Be honest you're getting attention, you love it
    Contrary to your statement I think you will find that’s incorrect , but what I don’t like is nerds hiding behind online anonymity orchestrating pile ons to posters with differing opinions. It’s childish and unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    Be honest you're getting attention, you love it
    The thing with narcissists is that they love attention right up to the point they get attention for their own stupidity. Then they decend into denial and hissy fits. This is what you are witnessing at the moment as the internet persona TWGL1 goes the way of RonnieBird.

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    Good one. ( says the guy who announced to everyone he’s leaving the board only to pop up a few weeks later ) I love the fact that you get so wound up over numerous posters who have different opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Good one. ( says the guy who announced to everyone he’s leaving the board only to pop up a few weeks later ) I love the fact that you get so wound up over numerous posters who have different opinions.
    Think you mean the same person as numerous posters with the same opinion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Think you mean the same person as numerous posters with the same opinion!
    Wow so you keep saying …. We have been there and discussed that and you have been offered a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Wow so you keep saying …. We have been there and discussed that and you have been offered a solution.
    This is getting embarrassing now. I mean, any decent parent with a 6 year old on a Friday night should be spending quality family time with his child at this hour. Yet here you are again getting wound up on a football messageboard whilst the poor lad wonders what Papa is doing during the hours of 6pm and his bedtime yet again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    This is getting embarrassing now. I mean, any decent parent with a 6 year old on a Friday night should be spending quality family time with his child at this hour. Yet here you are again getting wound up on a football messageboard whilst the poor lad wonders what Papa is doing during the hours of 6pm and his bedtime yet again!
    I’m not wound up at all my friend and I agree with you with the later part and I’m off soon when he comes home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    I’m not wound up at all my friend and I agree with you with the later part and I’m off soon when he comes home.
    It gets more fantastic by the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    It gets more fantastic by the post.
    What goes through your head , seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    What goes through your head , seriously?
    I sometimes wonder

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