Parents

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Totally, great call. I was a lot tougher on the older two. There’s 8 years between 2nd & 3rd and the youngest two had a lot more latitude and got away with more.

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Same with me Des, my youngest, who is 17, gets away with a fair bit that the other two couldn't have.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Same with me Des, my youngest, who is 17, gets away with a fair bit that the other two couldn't have.

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Just slightly changing gears but on topic, I hated then and still do, the expectation that the father is the one supposed to be in control of the discipline, "wait till your father gets home" i think this attitude often caused problems for fathers as they would be the ones who were telling the kids no, next time you do that it's bed early for you etc.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Just slightly changing gears but on topic, I hated then and still do, the expectation that the father is the one supposed to be in control of the discipline, "wait till your father gets home" i think this attitude often caused problems for fathers as they would be the ones who were telling the kids no, next time you do that it's bed early for you etc.

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I'm definitely the nice one. Her mother is the bollocking giver.

I remember seeing what you mentioned growing up and still happens now, the mother was always the one you went to when dad said no etc..

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Just slightly changing gears but on topic, I hated then and still do, the expectation that the father is the one supposed to be in control of the discipline, "wait till your father gets home" i think this attitude often caused problems for fathers as they would be the ones who were telling the kids no, next time you do that it's bed early for you etc.

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Yeah, it does sort of paint men as monsters, although i'm sure that it was never meant that way, or maybe it goes back to the days when fathers dished out a leathering. I'm sure that whatever my kids were getting up to, that when i arrived home i would join in with them :hehe:

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I'm definitely the nice one. Her mother is the bollocking giver.

I remember seeing what you mentioned growing up and still happens now, the mother was always the one you went to when dad said no etc..

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I think it was fairly even between me and my wife when it came to discipline, but when it came to "can I have..." I was the soft touch, especially with my daughter, who is the youngest.

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Originally Posted by RichardM

I think it was fairly even between me and my wife when it came to discipline, but when it came to "can I have..." I was the soft touch, especially with my daughter, who is the youngest.

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Mine doesn't ask for a lot, so it's usually me offering to take her to get things :hehe:

I'm happy with the way she's turned out, happy that she's comfortable coming to me with any issues etc and talks openly to me as do I with her. She knows everything about how I grew up and what I got up to.

Like every else in life you reap what you sow. My kids are brilliant with their kids and with us parents.

Mine are grown up and self sufficient, they’re doing ok. I do feel for you younger parents, juggling jobs, money, child care, just keeping food in pantry and a roof over your heads. It’s never been simple juggling family & work etc but, being on the outside looking in, it does seem to be more difficult than ever. I take my hat off to you and hope you’re all managing to cope :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by RichardM

There's nothing wrong with giving yourself a oat on the back occasionally. In fact, it's probably good for your mental health.

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Not to mention the benefits of avenanthramides.

I'm trying to bring mine up to be empathetic, appreciate nuance and above all , not be an opinionated tosser.

Screentime is a big problem for infants clearly.

I'm more concerned with parents who instil values that are based around producing an efficient money-making, career-driven monster.

Not enough focus on culture , the arts, playing, enjoying life, healthy socialising, respecting alternative ways of living and being, respecting animals and looking after your environment etc.

Anyone can "lay down the law". It takes someone with a real interest to bring up a kid that will contribute to the world in ways that will make it better than what it currently is.

The most unusual and disappointing thing I have experienced living here in the north of spain is peoples bemusement when I tell them that my daughter and I communicate in Welsh. I've had comments like "You'll regret that" ,"She'll be pissed off with you when she's older" , "Oh, you have to do things the complicated way" ....even a member of my family said "Maybe you should think more long term".

Most of these people probably consider themselves well-adjusted. Most of them are parents. These types of comments make me worry for their offspring.............and their offspring get hardly any screentime, eat fruit, were taught to self wean, you name it......... they will still be lacking in one fundamental way imo.

I immediately thought of Cardiff's own musical combo 'Budgie' when I saw the title of the thread.
First band I ever saw, entry fee being 50p at Barry Memorial Hall in 1973.

It's mellower in general than the intro.

RIP Burke Shelley. He died last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vJ-cW8h9U

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I immediately thought of Cardiff's own musical combo 'Budgie' when I saw the title of the thread.
First band I ever saw, entry fee being 50p at Barry Memorial Hall in 1973.

It's mellower in general than the intro.

RIP Burke Shelley. He died last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vJ-cW8h9U

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Budgie had some good sounds but Burke shelley slagged off sabbath

Nobody does that

Parents can be crap , middle of the road types or these incredibly annoying MODERN PARENTS they used to take the piss out of in viz

Some people seem to want to bring up their kids in a mirror image of what they are which can be very dodgy

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Budgie had some good sounds but Burke shelley slagged off sabbath

Nobody does that

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Sabbath was my second gig. 75p at the Capitol (and with two support bands).

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Parents can be crap , middle of the road types or these incredibly annoying MODERN PARENTS they used to take the piss out of in viz

Some people seem to want to bring up their kids in a mirror image of what they are which can be very dodgy

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In your case it would have been :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Sabbath was my second gig. 75p at the Capitol (and with two support bands).

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I won't mention that 'Man' was my third gig.....

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Yes. There are lazy parents of course but the whole post smacked of you being holier than thou.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Sabbath was my second gig. 75p at the Capitol (and with two support bands).

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You could have ended your musical journey that night

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

In your case it would have been :hehe:

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It's worrying

I don't understand why some parents take their kids to the supermarket to tell them off.

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Originally Posted by bobh

I don't understand why some parents take their kids to the supermarket to tell them off.

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You are sitting in a pub having some food with some mates , chilling out

A mum , a dad or a mum and dad with a kid or a couple of kids sit on a table next to you and its non stop screaming from the kids and no attempt by the parent or parents to deal with it

It's not the kids fault , it's selfish parents

Some people shouldn't really have children as there is no shape on them at all

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are sitting in a pub having some food with some mates , chilling out

A mum , a dad or a mum and dad with a kid or a couple of kids sit on a table next to you and its non stop screaming from the kids and no attempt by the parent or parents to deal with it

It's not the kids fault , it's selfish parents

Some people shouldn't really have children as there is no shape on them at all

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They would be better off keeping the kids at home and bouncing on a trapezium.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are sitting in a pub having some food with some mates , chilling out

A mum , a dad or a mum and dad with a kid or a couple of kids sit on a table next to you and its non stop screaming from the kids and no attempt by the parent or parents to deal with it

It's not the kids fault , it's selfish parents

Some people shouldn't really have children as there is no shape on them at all

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A sweeping statement, and quite disturbing from you, or maybe not. Who else shouldn't have kids then? People who are poor and have some social problems, and at times they find it difficult to carry out their parental duties, although the kids are loved and they love their parent or parents. You should really think sometimes about what you write on here. Yes, there are selfish parents, but they're selfish individuals before they were parents, should their be a fit to practice test to see if a person is good enough to have kids? You know where we are going with that, don't you?

Truth is, you have no idea what it is like to have kids and everything else that goes with it, although that's not exclusive towards people who don't have kids, i know plenty of people who have never had kids who i'm sure would have been fantastic parents, but for whatever reason, they didn't end up having kids.

Stop being so judgemental sludge, and stop concerning yourself over just your pleasure. If you don't want to hear kids screaming or being loud, then jump of the planet, because it's life.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are sitting in a pub having some food with some mates , chilling out

A mum , a dad or a mum and dad with a kid or a couple of kids sit on a table next to you and its non stop screaming from the kids and no attempt by the parent or parents to deal with it

It's not the kids fault , it's selfish parents

Some people shouldn't really have children as there is no shape on them at all

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on the flip side, Im sat in a pub having some food with my family, chilling out

a group of guys are sat on the table next to us having a few beers, they are swearing / telling a crude story about a exploit last weekend, maybe even nudge nudge, wink wink about my 18 yr old daughter, none of them make any attempt to deal with it

It is the guys fault, they are selfish and rude and really couldnt care

Some people shouldn't be let out of the house and be around decent human beings

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Originally Posted by blue matt

on the flip side, Im sat in a pub having some food with my family, chilling out

a group of guys are sat on the table next to us having a few beers, they are swearing / telling a crude story about a exploit last weekend, maybe even nudge nudge, wink wink about my 18 yr old daughter, none of them make any attempt to deal with it

It is the guys fault, they are selfish and rude and really couldnt care

Some people shouldn't be let out of the house and be around decent human beings

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exactly...sludge was right...some people shouldn't have kids, the screaming nippers grew up to be full blown ass-'oles

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

exactly...sludge was right...some people shouldn't have kids, the screaming nippers grew up to be full blown ass-'oles

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you could well be right :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

A sweeping statement, and quite disturbing from you, or maybe not. Who else shouldn't have kids then? People who are poor and have some social problems, and at times they find it difficult to carry out their parental duties, although the kids are loved and they love their parent or parents. You should really think sometimes about what you write on here. Yes, there are selfish parents, but they're selfish individuals before they were parents, should their be a fit to practice test to see if a person is good enough to have kids? You know where we are going with that, don't you?

Truth is, you have no idea what it is like to have kids and everything else that goes with it, although that's not exclusive towards people who don't have kids, i know plenty of people who have never had kids who i'm sure would have been fantastic parents, but for whatever reason, they didn't end up having kids.

Stop being so judgemental sludge, and stop concerning yourself over just your pleasure. If you don't want to hear kids screaming or being loud, then jump of the planet, because it's life.

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I'm still surprised people fall for his WUM shit

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are sitting in a pub having some food with some mates , chilling out

A mum , a dad or a mum and dad with a kid or a couple of kids sit on a table next to you and its non stop screaming from the kids and no attempt by the parent or parents to deal with it

It's not the kids fault , it's selfish parents

Some people shouldn't really have children as there is no shape on them at all

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So after acknowledging my response to your comment on kids behaviour in a doctors surgery, you've moved on to not understanding or attempting to understand their behaviour in pubs.
If kids are that bad just stick some Sabbath on the pubs jukebox and you'll soon empty the place.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

So after acknowledging my response to your comment on kids behaviour in a doctors surgery, you've moved on to not understanding or attempting to understand their behaviour in pubs.
If kids are that bad just stick some Sabbath on the pubs jukebox and you'll soon empty the place.

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If I am in the pub or an eating place with my friends I don't want to understand or analyse screaming kids

I want their parents to shut them up with firm but fair discipline

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

A sweeping statement, and quite disturbing from you, or maybe not. Who else shouldn't have kids then? People who are poor and have some social problems, and at times they find it difficult to carry out their parental duties, although the kids are loved and they love their parent or parents. You should really think sometimes about what you write on here. Yes, there are selfish parents, but they're selfish individuals before they were parents, should their be a fit to practice test to see if a person is good enough to have kids? You know where we are going with that, don't you?

Truth is, you have no idea what it is like to have kids and everything else that goes with it, although that's not exclusive towards people who don't have kids, i know plenty of people who have never had kids who i'm sure would have been fantastic parents, but for whatever reason, they didn't end up having kids.

Stop being so judgemental sludge, and stop concerning yourself over just your pleasure. If you don't want to hear kids screaming or being loud, then jump of the planet, because it's life.

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I am not here to provide a jungian analysis of modern parents and their annoying kids

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Originally Posted by blue matt

on the flip side, Im sat in a pub having some food with my family, chilling out

a group of guys are sat on the table next to us having a few beers, they are swearing / telling a crude story about a exploit last weekend, maybe even nudge nudge, wink wink about my 18 yr old daughter, none of them make any attempt to deal with it

It is the guys fault, they are selfish and rude and really couldnt care

Some people shouldn't be let out of the house and be around decent human beings

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I can assure you being annoyed by pesky kids is far more common than adults annoying young families when half pissed in the afternoon