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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Maybe I'm wrong. But who actually votes for Player of the Year? Did you? I didn't. No idea how it's done these days.

I've spoken to plenty of people during the course of this season who are unimpressed with Ng's persistent play-acting and feigning injury. It gets mentioned on here by a number of people too. But maybe we're in small minority. I have no idea.

Plenty of people still idolise Warnock judging by yesterday's embarrassing reaction to a City defeat inside the ground. But that doesn't mean we all do by any means.

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Unfortunately warnock has returned to us twice since leaving. Once for boro when mick had lost 9 in a row and was playing 5 centre backs. And yesterday when we played like that after a season like this.

Both times we have been very very very bad. Applause and chants for him as much to do with frustration at our situations I'd say. Had we kicked on since he left and his side were beaten 4 0 here it wouldn't be the same but we are a long way from that.

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Originally Posted by logic

End of the day, Ng is a shithouse, but he's our shithouse. Lose Ng, and our squad is full of nicey nicey guys. A squad that, if one of ours was hacked down, would go to the ref and say "I say, dear chap, that seems a bit nawty" whereas Ng would get stick in, try to start something then hack the offender down at the next oportunity.

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I wouldn't encourage such action but you'd hope someone would "leave something on them" in retribution and Ng is one of few in our side who would.

The definition of a "shithouse" player for me would be someone like Gary Madine.
Someone who bases his entire game around intimidation and aggression.

I wouldn't be surprised if THAT "tackle" on Ng at ours was followed by 'serves him right' shouts from our own :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Applause and chants for him as much to do with frustration at our situations I'd say.

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Well I don't know about you, but I never thought I'd see the day when hundreds if not thousands of Cardiff City fans were celebrating a City defeat with an opposition manager after a game. I don't care who he is, that was absolutely shocking and plenty of people seemed to feel the same as I was walking out of the ground. But maybe it's another indication of how passive City's fanbase has become in recent years.

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

I wouldn't be surprised if THAT "tackle" on Ng at ours was followed by 'serves him right' shouts from our own

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THAT 'tackle' on Ng followed an incident in the first half where Ng had gone to ground clutching his face after a challenge with Madine where the latter had not connected with the former's face at all. The boy who cries wolf so frequently is his own worst enemy at times.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

THAT 'tackle' on Ng followed an incident in the first half where Ng had gone to ground clutching his face after a challenge with Madine where the latter had not connected with the former's face at all. The boy who cries wolf so frequently is his own worst enemy at times.

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Ngs action was after Madine went in on one of our players, with nothing being given. Swings and roundabouts

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

I doubt many of those who applauded Warnock "idolise" him.

I saw it as an appreciation of an ex-manager who wears his heart on his sleeve, someone who loves the game and everything that goes with it.

You'll enjoy this interview, plenty of the usual catchphrases and superlatives...

https://youtu.be/dMwqqJOyRjg

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He's never seen support like Huddersfield had yesterday. Really?

Never had a harder job. Really?

It's the game I get that but come on.....

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Well I don't know about you, but I never thought I'd see the day when hundreds if not thousands of Cardiff City fans were celebrating a City defeat with an opposition manager after a game. I don't care who he is, that was absolutely shocking and plenty of people seemed to feel the same as I was walking out of the ground. But maybe it's another indication of how passive City's fanbase has become in recent years.

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It's the 2nd part I was getting at. As a general point but specifically the 2 games he has had v us here.

If was a tense 3 2 win with a red card and a late controversial penalty against his team the warnock you're a wanker or sit down and behave yourself chants wouldn't be far away. He'd take it well and would be well meaning but unfortunately we don't even get excitement like that so he's had a free pass and it hasn't been tested.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Well I don't know about you, but I never thought I'd see the day when hundreds if not thousands of Cardiff City fans were celebrating a City defeat with an opposition manager after a game. I don't care who he is, that was absolutely shocking and plenty of people seemed to feel the same as I was walking out of the ground. But maybe it's another indication of how passive City's fanbase has become in recent years.

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Ps I remember earnie scoring for Norwich and some celebrating it at ninian Park if that's relevant.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

It's the 2nd part I was getting at. As a general point but specifically the 2 games he has had v us here.

If was a tense 3 2 win with a red card and a late controversial penalty against his team the warnock you're a wanker or sit down and behave yourself chants wouldn't be far away. He'd take it well and would be well meaning but unfortunately we don't even get excitement like that so he's had a free pass and it hasn't been tested.

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We were safe. Maybe fans appreciate his results if not the long term side of things. Maybe those fans feel we'd have been safe earlier if we'd appointed Warnock till summer.

Who knows or indeed cares.

Following on from your last post, if there were "Warnock, you're a wanker", I doubt there would be any posts on here castigating our fans for focusing on the opposition manager rather than cheering the side on.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Ps I remember earnie scoring for Norwich and some celebrating it at ninian Park if that's relevant.

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I remember people applauding him scoring. I think I remember reading some did the same when Ramsey scored here for Arsenal. I wouldn't class either in the same category as that nauseating nonsense with Warnock after the final whistle yesterday. Polite applause in one thing. Hollering for fist pumps and all that bollocks is another thing altogether.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I remember people applauding him scoring. I think I remember reading some did the same when Ramsey scored here for Arsenal. I wouldn't class either in the same category as that nauseating nonsense with Warnock after the final whistle yesterday. Polite applause in one thing. Hollering for fist pumps and all that bollocks is another thing altogether.

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I applauded Ramsey and earnie scoring. Both with the club from a very young age and very much associated with the club and always will be. Not many players we can say that about but those 2 for sure deserve special treatment.

Re our neil- yeah I get the point but I suppose my point is its more of a reflection of the current circumstances at city and how boring everything is rather than about Neil. I do believe if we were where we were under dave jones or malky and actually pushing for something ourselves then it wouldn't have been the same and would likely even have been "needle" with us.

Still at least we can have the debate about warnock returning to save us next season after sabri is appointed and then sacked in November. Bamba then fails for a few months so maybe end of January we can debate it all again! So that's something to look forward to.....