Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You will probably ignore the DNAR notices, the COD including with and not from covid on the death certificates, the increased use of end of life protocols, a lack of early treatment and treating bacterial pneumonia with ventilators instead of antibiotics, plus the official all cause excess mortality figures, etc., so getting into the specifics is a pointless exercise as you are only going to see what you want to see, and you will never question anything that the BBC has ever published.

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Coming from someone who is regularly critical of the Beeb and is dismissive of things you don't believe.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Coming from someone who is regularly critical of the Beeb.

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With good reason it seems!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You will probably ignore the DNAR notices, the COD including with and not from covid on the death certificates, the increased use of end of life protocols, a lack of early treatment and treating bacterial pneumonia with ventilators instead of antibiotics, plus the official all cause excess mortality figures, etc., so getting into the specifics is a pointless exercise as you are only going to see what you want to see, and you will never question anything that the BBC has ever published.

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All wise after the event stuff from someone looking around to find anything to try to justify their original, indefensible, position - I’m interested in what you were saying in early 2020, not mid 2023.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

All wise after the event stuff from someone looking around to find anything to try to justify their original, indefensible, position - I’m interested in what you were saying in early 2020, not mid 2023.

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Well, I took my own advice and I'm still here, so I must have been doing something right :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

T.B.F I think it's all that could have been done at the outset, the disappointment was that, scientists who as the event was progressing were trying to say hold on a min there might be an alternative, and I'm thinking the Barrington declaration and Geert Vanden Bossche were basically told to facking p1ss off and shut the F up, we'll never really know and "it is what it is" (I hate this saying which seems very popular at the moment) Lessons learnt for the next one ? I doubt it, we often read that Lockdowns saved nnnn amount of lives, the linked study from what i believe to be a credible source suggests differently.

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What I found appalling was the opportunity politicians took to score points whilst folk were in need a real national consensus .

I the average death of Covid was and is still 83 .

I also think the government would have not had the lockdown measure they did apply it did if they hadn't worry about the fear whipped up by scientists , social media , TV media/Papers , unions , and opposition parties and the likes of Drakeford and Sturgeon looking for fame ..

There was a better way ( Sweden )

I think Covid lockdown may well kill more in the coming years , anxiety and mental illness on the rise , children never really come to ease with it effecting their long term confidence , human interactions , freedom to play and education ..



"" The latest attendance data from the Department for Education (DfE) revealed that absences in the spring term this year were still 50% higher than before the pandemic, while in 2021-22 more than one in five secondary pupils were “persistently absent” for missing 10% or more of sessions ""

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Originally Posted by life on mars

What I found appalling was the opportunity politicians took to score points whilst folk were in need a real national consensus .

I the average death of Covid was and is still 83 .

I also think the government would have not had the lockdown measure they did apply it did if they hadn't worry about the fear whipped up by scientists , social media , TV media/Papers , unions , and opposition parties and the likes of Drakeford and Sturgeon looking for fame ..

There was a better way ( Sweden )

I think Covid lockdown may well kill more in the coming years , anxiety and mental illness on the rise , children never really come to ease with it effecting their long term confidence , human interactions , freedom to play and education ..



"" The latest attendance data from the Department for Education (DfE) revealed that absences in the spring term this year were still 50% higher than before the pandemic, while in 2021-22 more than one in five secondary pupils were “persistently absent” for missing 10% or more of sessions ""

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Where Gluey goes LOM follows, more wise after the event stuff.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Where Gluey goes LOM follows, more wise after the event stuff.

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I missed the 'wise' bit.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Where Gluey goes LOM follows, more wise after the event stuff.

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Who’s Gluey BTW , a few of the usual faces keep mentioning this user name ?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I missed the 'wise' bit.

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Well you would , its called having another view on life that doesn't correspond to your bitter views , another patronising left wing remark from the same old stable , I notice that you appear to follow certain folk as well .

It is called freedom of speech, something folk fought for best not to insult or shut down it is a weakness , everyone's view is worthwhile in a free decent society however controversial or not agreeable it may sound to your views ..

Up the left revolution and inclusivity .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Well you would , its called having another view on life that doesn't correspond to your bitter views , another patronising left wing remark from the same old stable , I notice that you appear to follow certain folk as well .

It is called freedom of speech, something folk fought for best not to insult or shut down it is a weakness , everyone's view is worthwhile in a free decent society however controversial or not agreeable it may sound to your views ..

Up the left revolution and inclusivity .

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"everyone's view is worthwhile in a free decent society however controversial or not agreeable it may sound to your views"

He says, complaining about something someone said.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Who’s Gluey BTW , a few of the usual faces keep mentioning this user name ?

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I'd love to know , perhaps its a wind up or in house banter joke for the selective friend group that sit on CCMB, I've never type the name in or needed too , it is usually an attempt to shut down a difference of opinion , or get rid of folk form CCMB ??

Sad really from folk who have decent contributions to make in a very educated way, childlike in some ways ?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I missed the 'wise' bit.

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You're very morecambe.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

It is usually an attempt to shut down a difference of opinion, or get rid of folk from CCMB ??

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They should apply for a job in the BBC propaganda division!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Who’s Gluey BTW , a few of the usual faces keep mentioning this user name ?

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I see what you did there :hehe:

I made the mistake of watching the BBC News last night. They ran a 'story' which actually took up more time that either of Johnson or Sturgeon. The gist of it was taking the p*ss out of conspiracy theorists. It was slanted, biased, one-eyed, and the presenter who looked like an 18yr old hooker the way she was dressed, was just using the platform of the BBC to promulgate her own, personal views..

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Who’s Gluey BTW , a few of the usual faces keep mentioning this user name ?

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It’s the name Wales Bales used to post under.

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Originally Posted by Packerman

I see what you did there :hehe:

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I didn’t do anything , I wondered who it was as I’ve not seen the user name.

As someone said I think the multi wind up is to try and discourage/ discredit posters with different opinions, because let’s be honest one person masquerading as another is pathetic. At the same time, it’s pathetic certain users trying their best make out other posters use multiple accounts. Just as juvenile really.

So for balance …I see what you did there :hehe:

No doubt the people on here who should be watching a video like this will ignore it because of who it is, but the latter parts of it capture my feelings exactly.

https://youtu.be/QVahcLFbG5Y

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

No doubt the people on here who should be watching a video like this will ignore it because of who it is, but the latter parts of it capture my feelings exactly.

https://youtu.be/QVahcLFbG5Y

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The video has already lost any credibility due to its label of anyone with a different viewpoint as “far right”. Perhaps you may like to meet me and some of my mates ,none of whom are far right but have almost the identical opinions in this particular subject matter.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The video has already lost any credibility due to its label of anyone with a different viewpoint as “far right”. Perhaps you may like to meet me and some of my mates ,none of whom are far right but have almost the identical opinions in this particular subject matter.

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You use the word “already”, so I presume you did not watch it through to the end? We can argue about labels like far right (I have some sympathy with what you say there), but I think the conclusions he draws are spot on.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Well you would , its called having another view on life that doesn't correspond to your bitter views , another patronising left wing remark from the same old stable , I notice that you appear to follow certain folk as well .

It is called freedom of speech, something folk fought for best not to insult or shut down it is a weakness , everyone's view is worthwhile in a free decent society however controversial or not agreeable it may sound to your views ..

Up the left revolution and inclusivity .

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Not everyone's view is worthwhile. Your posts are constant proof of that.

Some views are racist, misogynistic, fawning, contemptuous of knowledge or experience and sometimes plain incoherent. BINGO!

I would never want to shut down your ability to post your waffle and wind ups, but nothing will persuade me they are worthwhile either.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You use the word “already”, so I presume you did not watch it through to the end? We can argue about labels like far right (I have some sympathy with what you say there), but I think the conclusions he draws are spot on.

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It’s a good piece to be fair

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The video has already lost any credibility due to its label of anyone with a different viewpoint as “far right”. Perhaps you may like to meet me and some of my mates ,none of whom are far right but have almost the identical opinions in this particular subject matter.

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I can't watch Andrew Marr without remembering this this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV85306K64w


Full video here, and worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjENnyQupow

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Who’s Gluey BTW , a few of the usual faces keep mentioning this user name ?

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It was the name WB used when you claimed to be a regular poster on here. Spent weeks pretending it wasn't him. Still if you can't remember your own old name unsurprising that this one slipped your mind!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

It was the name WB used when you claimed to be a regular poster on here. Spent weeks pretending it wasn't him. Still if you can't remember your own old name unsurprising that this one slipped your mind!

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Oh no not this again …why would you be interested in a very old user name of mine, you oddball

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Oh no not this again …why would you be interested in a very old user name of mine, you oddball

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https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5358934

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5389576

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5399580

Few examples of you previously chipping in and sticking up for "Gluey" as soon as his name was mentioned. Hopefully a useful memory jogger and we can all move on from today's little charade!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5358934

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5389576

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5399580

Few examples of you previously chipping in and sticking up for "Gluey" as soon as his name was mentioned. Hopefully a useful memory jogger and we can all move on from today's little charade!

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What was the point in that :hehe:

I do wonder if you’re on the spectrum, no offence like

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

What was the point in that :hehe:

I do wonder if you’re on the spectrum, no offence like

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Five minutes to highlight your stupidity. Probably 25% of the time it takes you to watch a Vernon Coleman or Russel Brand video. Type TWGL1 and Gluey into the search button, anyone can do it! At your service!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Five minutes to highlight your stupidity. Probably 25% of the time it takes you to watch a Vernon Coleman or Russel Brand video. Type TWGL1 and Gluey into the search button, anyone can do it! At your service!

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You just appear to have trouble accepting other posters different opinions so much so that you appear to troll the same posters relentlessly,last night was a case in point.

Take a break or perhaps ignore posters you don’t agree with, it may help with the issues you are displaying. Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You just appear to have trouble accepting other posters different opinions so much so that you appear to troll the same posters relentlessly,last night was a case in point.

Take a break or perhaps ignore posters you don’t agree with, it may help with the issues you are displaying. Hope that helps.

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But this has nothing to do with opinions. It was you appearing bemused about the name Gluey when you had previous knowledge of it and indeed, for some reason, stuck up for it each time it was mentioned. If you don't want your stupidity highlighted perhaps it's best not to post stupid things in the first place!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

But this has nothing to do with opinions. It was you appearing bemused about the name Gluey when you had previous knowledge of it and indeed, for some reason, stuck up for it each time it was mentioned. If you don't want your stupidity highlighted perhaps it's best not to post stupid things in the first place!

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Clearly you can’t see irony either , hence why the I asked the question (the multiple user name is brought up again and again and again ).You appear to be obsessive in a few things ,multiple user names is one of them, and like clockwork you’re like a dog with a bone. It’s hilarious.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

What was the point in that :hehe:

I do wonder if you’re on the spectrum, no offence like

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I can't believe he spends all his life collecting data about people on a football message board, what an absolute nutjob!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Clearly you can’t see irony either , hence why the I asked the question (the multiple user name is brought up again and again and again ).You appear to be obsessive in a few things ,multiple user names is one of them, and like clockwork you’re like a dog with a bone. It’s hilarious.

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Ah, the "I was only joking line.....sorry, opinion"!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You just appear to have trouble accepting other posters different opinions so much so that you appear to troll the same posters relentlessly,last night was a case in point.

Take a break or perhaps ignore posters you don’t agree with, it may help with the issues you are displaying. Hope that helps.

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It's just things that weirdo's do :hehe:

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Ah, the "I was only joking line.....sorry, opinion"!

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Shit reply

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I can't believe he spends all his life collecting data about people on a football message board, what an absolute nutjob!

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Was it you who played back Jon's quote about Nicola Sturgeon yesterday or someone different. Looks like Haystacks has taken over from Big Daddy in tag team posting!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Shit reply

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That's your opinion I guess?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Was it you who played back Jon's quote about Nicola Sturgeon yesterday or someone different. Looks like Haystacks has taken over from Big Daddy in tag team posting!

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I didn't have to search for it as it was in the same thread!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I didn't have to search for it as it was in the same thread!

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But you seem comfortable with playing back things people have previously posted it seems.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

But you seem comfortable with playing back things people have previously posted it seems.

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:popcorn: Rent Free My Lord :popcorn: