Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

[cyril evans awaydays]

I can't believe he spends all his life collecting data about people on a football message board, what an absolute nutjob!

Was it you who played back Jon's quote about Nicola Sturgeon yesterday or someone different. Looks like Haystacks has taken over from Big Daddy in tag team posting!

[cyril evans awaydays]

Shit reply

That's your opinion I guess?

[Wales-Bales]

Was it you who played back Jon's quote about Nicola Sturgeon yesterday or someone different. Looks like Haystacks has taken over from Big Daddy in tag team posting!

I didn't have to search for it as it was in the same thread!

[cyril evans awaydays]

I didn't have to search for it as it was in the same thread!

But you seem comfortable with playing back things people have previously posted it seems.

[TWGL1]

But you seem comfortable with playing back things people have previously posted it seems.

Rent Free My Lord

[cyril evans awaydays]

Rent Free My Lord

I was talking to Wales-Bales

[TWGL1]

I was talking to Wales-Bales

Here we are trying to discuss the importance of whether lockdowns did more harm than good and you’re more concerned about potential multiple accounts. Weird

Why don’t you organise a separate thread on multiple accounts and we can discuss a best way forward in respect your obsession.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Here we are trying to discuss the importance of whether lockdowns did more harm than good and you’re more concerned about potential multiple accounts. Weird

Why don’t you organise a separate thread on multiple accounts and we can organise a best way forward in respect your obsession.

This charade is getting beyond pathetic. It would appear that the first rule of Idiot Club is that there is an Idiot Club!

[Heathblue]

Fair play, 5 pages for a fishing expedition

[cyril evans awaydays]

Fair play, 5 pages for a fishing expedition

What are saying here, Nels. Here we are trying to discuss the importance of whether lockdowns did more harm than good and you’re on a fishing expedition. Weird

[Wales-Bales]

But you seem comfortable with playing back things people have previously posted it seems.

I know it's an alien concept to you, but I was replying to the same topic in the same thread regarding Nicola's saintly qualities.

[jon1959]

I know it's an alien concept to you, but I was replying to the same topic in the same thread regarding Nicola's saintly qualities.

Just for the record, we were not discussing 'Nichola's saintly qualities'. You were coming back on my response to Life On Mars' incontinence at the news that Police Scotland were on a fraud enquiry into the SNP use of donations which said:

'Sturgeon and Drakeford have their weaknesses and failures, but they are head and shoulders above the shower of corrupt incompetents you usually drool over.'

I assured you that I stood by that comment. In fact if the polis decided to arrest the entire leaderships of the SNP and Plaid I would still hold the view that their leaders are more articulate, more astute, more empathetic, more grounded in normal peoples' experience and more likeable than the shower of corrupt charlatans usually promoted by LOM, whether or not they have their collar felt.

It is a comparative judgement of course. Many faults with Sturgeon (and Drakeford) and maybe more to be revealled. But next to Hodge, Rees-Mogg and the other LOM pin-ups..... no contest.

Happy to clear that up.

[JamesWales]

What I found appalling was the opportunity politicians took to score points whilst folk were in need a real national consensus .

I the average death of Covid was and is still 83 .

I also think the government would have not had the lockdown measure they did apply it did if they hadn't worry about the fear whipped up by scientists , social media , TV media/Papers , unions , and opposition parties and the likes of Drakeford and Sturgeon looking for fame ..

There was a better way ( Sweden )

I think Covid lockdown may well kill more in the coming years , anxiety and mental illness on the rise , children never really come to ease with it effecting their long term confidence , human interactions , freedom to play and education ..



"" The latest attendance data from the Department for Education (DfE) revealed that absences in the spring term this year were still 50% higher than before the pandemic, while in 2021-22 more than one in five secondary pupils were “persistently absent” for missing 10% or more of sessions ""

I pretty much agree with this.

I think we all agree that the first lockdown was necessary. We didn't know what we were dealing with, it clearly helped to slow the spread and in all honesty I think for that initial period it even did us all some good.

The problem is that as it dragged on it became obvious to so many that enormous and prolonged damage was going to be caused, primarily to the vulnerable but also to society more widely. These opinions were too often dismissed as being anto-science etc, when in most cases they absolutely were not. They were either rooted in concerns based on the social sciences, they were often correct and there is also nothing remotely anti-science about questioning science. In fact, a trait of scientific advancements is that it always questioned the science that preceded it.

So first lockdown, fine, in fact if anything it was enacted a bit late But by the second or third I think we knew we were causing damage and those voices should have been heard more.

Personally I cannot think of a single positive change since Covid. Nearly everything is strained, weakened, damaged, hitting the vulnerable more, made more expensive etc etc etc.

Put bluntly, 'the science' has to include social sciences too..issues about society. It was too focused on medical science and needed to achieve more balance

[TWGL1]

Ferguson ('Professor Lockdown') convinced Boris to order millions to stay at home.

Ferguson *PUBLICLY* warned that lifting lockdown prematurely could cost 100,000 lives.

But *PRIVATELY* he broke Lockdown to visit his lover. He knew Lockdown was pointless

Imperial college of London received money from both Wellcome trust and Gates foundation. Wellcome trust received funds from all big pharma

[jon1959]

It is a relief to now know that all the avoidable mistakes and damage of the Covid response in the UK (including I assume all the fraud, corruption, hypocrisy, mixed messages, and sanctimonious exceptionalism of those at the top) were the fault of opposition politicians and scientists. For a while I thought it might be the government, but glad to be put right!

[lardy]

Ferguson ('Professor Lockdown') convinced Boris to order millions to stay at home.

Ferguson *PUBLICLY* warned that lifting lockdown prematurely could cost 100,000 lives.

But *PRIVATELY* he broke Lockdown to visit his lover. He knew Lockdown was pointless

Imperial college of London received money from both Wellcome trust and Gates foundation. Wellcome trust received funds from all big pharma

If he knew lockdown was pointless, why do you think he 'convinced Boris'?

Or could it be human nature to think that bad things probably won't happen to yourself?

[Wales-Bales]

If he knew lockdown was pointless, why do you think he 'convinced Boris'?

Or could it be human nature to think that bad things probably won't happen to yourself?

$$$$

[TWGL1]

If he knew lockdown was pointless, why do you think he 'convinced Boris'?

Or could it be human nature to think that bad things probably won't happen to yourself?

What’s my own personal health got to do with lockdown debate ,

Don’t you think that’s an odd thing to say ?

[lardy]

What’s my own personal health got to do with lockdown debate ,

Don’t you think that’s an odd thing to say ?

Read it again Einstein

[Canton Kev]

But *PRIVATELY* he broke Lockdown to visit his lover. He knew Lockdown was pointless

A =/= B

You can believe that 1000’s of peoples standing shoulder to shoulder in stadiums, nightclubs, arenas, trains, busses and mingling in pubs, offices, schools, etc poses a risk of spreading Covid whilst also believing that stepping out of your front door, into your car, then into your lover’s house doesn’t pose a risk to yourself personally.

[TWGL1]

Read it again Einstein

I’ve lost 6 good friends as a result of lockdown policies, so I suppose I’m justified in having different perspectives on the issue.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Ferguson ('Professor Lockdown') convinced Boris to order millions to stay at home.

Ferguson *PUBLICLY* warned that lifting lockdown prematurely could cost 100,000 lives.

But *PRIVATELY* he broke Lockdown to visit his lover. He knew Lockdown was pointless

Imperial college of London received money from both Wellcome trust and Gates foundation. Wellcome trust received funds from all big pharma

I think I get what you are saying. Imperial College London fronted up for big pharma by persuading politicians to impose lockdowns so that more people would be alive to use their vaccines when they arrived. Is that right?

[lardy]

I’ve lost 6 good friends as a result of lockdown policies, so I suppose I’m justified in having different perspectives on the issue.

I've lost 7 good friends as a result of conspiracy theories, so I suppose I'm justified in having different perspectives on the issue.

[cyril evans awaydays]

I've lost 7 good friends as a result of conspiracy theories, so I suppose I'm justified in having different perspectives on the issue.

NinianClark, Clandestine, RonnieBird, Lither1927, Hyperborean, Red Setter.......who was the other one?

[lardy]

NinianClark, Clandestine, RonnieBird, Lither1927, Hyperborean, Red Setter.......who was the other one?

Organ Morgan, banned but not forgotten