Space X hitting the firmananent

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Do you think it's clear in hindsight that a better approach would be to read articles before posting them?

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I’ve already answered the question and offered advice , if you’re still concerned ask the mods to remove the particular link.

Have you ever thought about using alternative platforms ( I know the BBC usually has a comment page at the end of each article) as this is just a football message-board after-all. As far as I know , its generally just about opinions and interpretations, which clearly mine are generally more subjective than yours and a few others.
As a last resort just ignore posts I make.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’ve already answered the question and offered advice , if you’re still concerned ask the mods to remove the particular link.

Have you ever thought about using alternative platforms ( I know the BBC usually has a comment page at the end of each article) as this is just a football message-board after-all. As far as I know , its generally just about opinions and interpretations, which clearly mine are generally more subjective than yours and a few others.
As a last resort just ignore posts I make.

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So you're saying that my posts are more supported by facts than yours?

No further questions. We can leave it there bra.

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I’m not your personal google assistant. It’s been discussed the way the article is written is misleading but you are still asking for clarification.

Whats perhaps best for you in situations like this is to consider the article as a non starter and refer to publications you’re interested - in such as the BMJ article (posted in this thread) .

It’s clear that in hindsight a better approach could have been taken in this instance, but it’s a football message-board and I wouldn’t recommend that everything you read is entirely evidence based.

That said perhaps you could start a discussion on why excess deaths are on the rise particularly in people under a certain age.


Good to see you are contributing though bra.

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I read the BMJ article (not posted in this thread). This is the gist of it.

Veena Raleigh, a senior fellow at the health think tank the King’s Fund, told The BMJ that there had been large numbers of deaths related to flu and covid-19 in December 2022 and January this year, which was influencing the figures.5 “The 2023 figures to date do not compare well with 2019. Mortality to date is about 5.5% higher than it was for the same period in 2019,” she said.

“With 2023 to date, we haven’t had the bounce back that we might have expected once the worst of the pandemic was over. In the first three quarters of 2023 the mortality rate was higher than in many years in the pre-pandemic decade. If we have a good coming winter things could get back to 2019 levels relatively quickly, but it’s unpredictable.

“We need to remember that covid is still here and infections currently are picking up. Hopefully, we won’t see the sort of deaths we’ve seen before, but, that said, fewer people are getting vaccinated against covid.”

So, excess deaths are stubbornly high but a goodly proportion are due to covid, flu and weakening vaccination rates.

Is that the point you were making?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I read the BMJ article (not posted in this thread). This is the gist of it.

Veena Raleigh, a senior fellow at the health think tank the King’s Fund, told The BMJ that there had been large numbers of deaths related to flu and covid-19 in December 2022 and January this year, which was influencing the figures.5 “The 2023 figures to date do not compare well with 2019. Mortality to date is about 5.5% higher than it was for the same period in 2019,” she said.

“With 2023 to date, we haven’t had the bounce back that we might have expected once the worst of the pandemic was over. In the first three quarters of 2023 the mortality rate was higher than in many years in the pre-pandemic decade. If we have a good coming winter things could get back to 2019 levels relatively quickly, but it’s unpredictable.

“We need to remember that covid is still here and infections currently are picking up. Hopefully, we won’t see the sort of deaths we’ve seen before, but, that said, fewer people are getting vaccinated against covid.”

So, excess deaths are stubbornly high but a goodly proportion are due to covid, flu and weakening vaccination rates.

Is that the point you were making?

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No not at all, especially when the spike is in the people who don’t need vaccinations. Could be anything, what do you think it could be affecting the health of people post lockdown - taking your conscious biased opinions out of it?

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No not at all, especially when the spike is in the people who don’t need vaccinations. Could be anything, what do you think it could be affecting the health of people post lockdown - taking your conscious biased opinions out of it?

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I thought the article you continually referenced and I reproduced on the back off the ludicrous Italian one was supposed to be the answer. Obviously not!

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I thought the article you continually referenced and I reproduced on the back off the ludicrous Italian one was supposed to be the answer. Obviously not!

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So what’s your opinion then taking your conscious biased stance away?

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So what’s your opinion then taking your conscious biased stance away?

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Oh go on, you go first!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Oh go on, you go first!

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Go ahead , I’m interested to know

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Go ahead , I’m interested to know

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I think the article make it clear that a high proportion of the excess deaths in the 2022 spike were down to covid and flu and in recent months the numbers have flattened. From what I can read cancer deaths are lower and cardiovascular deaths are a little higher.

Now your go!

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I think the article make it clear that a high proportion of the excess deaths in the 2022 spike were down to covid and flu and in recent months the numbers have flattened. From what I can read cancer deaths are lower and cardiovascular deaths are a little higher.

Now your go!

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Of course that’s a contributing factor ( it has to be) but if you think that’s the best way to explaining it , clearly you haven’t been joining the dots. As I said to you earlier ( or was it Lardy) spend some time with ONS data , that will help you understand the assumptions

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Clearly that’s a contributing factor ( it has to be) but if you think that’s the best way to explaining it , clearly you haven’t been joining the dots.

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I guess any request for you to join the dots for us is likely to get the "do your own research" rejoinder! Btw, nice to see Wales-Bales pop in to update his avatar.

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I'm interested to know how the other planets fit in to the non-heliocentric idea. Are we just ignoring them, assuming earth does something different, or pretending that they don't move exactly as they would if orbiting the sun?