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Originally Posted by
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
I wouldn't call what often goes on on here (or on much of the internet, of course) as debate. Supercilious, dismissive, you're-either-with-us-or-against-us, how-very-dare-you-criticise-Ray-McStay, overemotional rhetoric sometimes but not debate.
It's also kind of ironic that even though there are suggestions not to take it so seriously, many of the posters who have given up or post less were ones who - in the main - didn't take it too seriously. (What happened to Delmbox, for instance?). So, maybe it's not just about taking things too seriously.
And of course, we're mostly middle-aged or old men so heaven forfend we're going about things in the wrong way.
Anyway, all the best to Eric.
Blimey, yeah, what happened to Delmbox? I can see that if you take this place or yourself too seriously it could be a problem.
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Originally Posted by
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
I wouldn't call what often goes on on here (or on much of the internet, of course) as debate. Supercilious, dismissive, you're-either-with-us-or-against-us, how-very-dare-you-criticise-Ray-McStay, overemotional rhetoric sometimes but not debate.
Of course it's not debate. People are 100% invested in their own sources of information, and they disregard any competing narratives.
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Originally Posted by
Swiss Peter
Blimey, yeah, what happened to Delmbox? I can see that if you take this place or yourself too seriously it could be a problem.
Yep, if you give a shit what's said on the internet then it's not the place for you.
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I think we all know it's not about disagreement. It's about the manner of those disagreements. There aren't many threads on this forum which generate different positions which don't end up as vitriolic verbal punch ups. I've been drawn into it myself on occasions. I'm pretty sure that's what Eric has got fed up of not the fact that his opinion is unpopular such.
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Re: And it's goodnight from me
Your outstanding contribution to this board will be sorely missed.
Your posts are insightful and thought provoking ... reflecting your addiction to the team we love.
I do hope that you will reconsider returning in the not too distant future.
Take care.
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Originally Posted by
Robin Friday's Ghost
I think we all know it's not about disagreement. It's about the manner of those disagreements. There aren't many threads on this forum which generate different positions which don't end up as vitriolic verbal punch ups. I've been drawn into it myself on occasions. I'm pretty sure that's what Eric has got fed up of not the fact that his opinion is unpopular such.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Of course it's not debate. People are 100% invested in their own sources of information, and they disregard any competing narratives.
Then why bother?
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
I think Eric knows there’s a 79.14578% chance he’ll reverse this decision in the fullness of time.
This deserves love.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
This deserves love.
:hehe: Missed that!
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Sort yourself out you soppy ponce
Do you think we beat those cocky Ipswich tarts on Saturday but hiding behind the sofa ?
Drop and give me 20
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“Drop and give me 20” 😂😂😂
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Originally Posted by
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Then why bother?
Because I used to be like that.
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
I think Eric knows there’s a 79.14578% chance he’ll reverse this decision in the fullness of time.
79.14579 surely??
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Eric, I hope after some reflection you’ll reconsider. Your contributions have always given a different dimension to this board.
In the 3 years that I lived in Poland, this board was always my default, to get the varied fan views, rather than the sterile club releases or the journo bullshit. I agree that the constant petty bickering spoils the board but I’ve just learnt to tune it out.
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
Eric, I hope after some reflection you’ll reconsider. Your contributions have always given a different dimension to this board.
In the 3 years that I lived in Poland, this board was always my default, to get the varied fan views, rather than the sterile club releases or the journo bullshit. I agree that the constant petty bickering spoils the board but I’ve just learnt to tune it out.
He'll be back, it was a late evening post probably fuelled by a couple of drinks :oh:
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Tiresome idiots who post different opinions to you ( which usually turn out to be true)
I thought the beauty of this forum was that fact that all opinions are subjective and welcome.
Have you considered knocking it on the head ?
I don't have a problem with people posting opinions different to me. As a matter of interest what I have posted that has turned out to be untrue? I hope you aren't one of the tiresome posters to whom I refer i.e. those who assign comments to me that I have never made,
Wales-Bale and truthpaste being two of them.
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
I don't have a problem with people posting opinions different to me. As a matter of interest what I have posted that has turned out to be untrue? I hope you aren't one of the tiresome posters to whom I refer i.e. those who assign comments to me that I have never made,
Wales-Bale and truthpaste being two of them.
Direct quotations of mine appreciated, thanks. I'm happy being held to account for what I have indeed expressed on here.
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Direct quotations of mine appreciated, thanks. I'm happy being held to account for what I have indeed expressed on here.
Direct quotations , get real there are literally dozens of snide comments on this forum aimed at people with different opinions to yours on here , perhaps you’re one of the reasons people get upset and want to pack it in.
I’ll tell you what the next time I see one from you I’ll create a thread about it if that’s easier.
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Direct quotations , get real there are literally dozens of snide comments on this forum aimed at people with different opinions to yours on here , perhaps you’re one of the reasons people get upset and want to pack it in.
I’ll tell you what the next time I see one from you I’ll create a thread about it if that’s easier.
Snide comments and different opinions are different from outright lies. It's not that difficult a concept to grasp.
I would be interested to know of anyone who has given up posting on here on my behalf but if you know any such person, please do tell
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Eric, I'm so sorry to see you go. I really enjoyed your posts and the associated stats.
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No point in withdrawing your services completely
Post less , dip in less frequently
Go round the world with the family and come back refreshed ?
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Eric! Listen to Sludge! He’s on the money! 👍
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I know it was the Oscars on Sunday but jesus wept, Eric. If youre not going to post anymore, just dont post anymore. Simple.
Im surprised youve lasted 20 years with skin this thin.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I know it was the Oscars on Sunday but jesus wept, Eric. If youre not going to post anymore, just dont post anymore. Simple.
Im surprised youve lasted 20 years with skin this thin.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Sort yourself out you soppy ponce
Do you think we beat those cocky Ipswich tarts on Saturday but hiding behind the sofa ?
Drop and give me 20
The board is getting more positive, Bulut and the team are improving, and that sort of change is not for everyone, I'm not saying Eric, but a lot of posters prefer posting when we are doing badly, they like to moan about the football.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
The board is getting more positive, Bulut and the team are improving, and that sort of change is not for everyone, I'm not saying Eric, but a lot of posters prefer posting when we are doing badly, they like to moan about the football.
As opposed to moaning about the people who moan about the football 🙌😛
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
I know it was the Oscars on Sunday but jesus wept, Eric. If youre not going to post anymore, just dont post anymore. Simple.
Im surprised youve lasted 20 years with skin this thin.
You just got thick-skinned and cynical after that fly-fishing book of yours bombed.
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
As opposed to moaning about the people who moan about the football 🙌😛
And the people who moan about the people who moan about the people who moan about other people and their to have children - splitters the lot of you
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
And the people who moan about the people who moan about the people who moan about other people and their to have children - splitters the lot of you
🍻👊
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Snide comments and different opinions are different from outright lies. It's not that difficult a concept to grasp.
I would be interested to know of anyone who has given up posting on here on my behalf but if you know any such person, please do tell
Out right lies like what….( even our own politicians in the echelons of power, lie ) care to point them out , and if you can point them out will be offered a counter argument- that’s how a message-board works.
As far as I’m aware you just don’t appear like posters who have different opinions on what you want to hear. If you don’t like what’s being posted then just ignore it.
Besides , as another poster pointed out it’s a football message-board, I think this would be the last place I’d come for facts and evidence based analysis if you’re that put out.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
The board is getting more positive, Bulut and the team are improving, and that sort of change is not for everyone, I'm not saying Eric, but a lot of posters prefer posting when we are doing badly, they like to moan about the football.
I find the psychology of board mood quite fascinating, and I am not being facetious when I say this. But board psychology mirrors human psychology in general. You can draw parallells from all walks of life as a reference point for comparison,
In the financial trading world, we have what are called Pollyannas and Cassandras. Or Perma-Bulls and Perma-Bears. In that order, it means permanently optimisitc or permanently pessimistic. The best traders are those with mental flexibility to smell the change of the wind, and switch their positions to take advantage of it. The pessimists don’t take enough risk and live in fear. Fear of letting go. Fear of being wrong. Often referenced by childhood, poor work experience, self-doubt, imposter syndrome or sometimes just a mental block due to stress. The over-optimists have a good run for a while then blow out as they believe good times last forever. This is all about people’s decision-making systems in general. It applies to people’s work, life decisions, investments and even forecasts for their football team. You see the same here.
Often civil servants make the worst traders or forecasters. Because their training and work experience tells them to avoid risk, tick every box, all historic quantitative data must be perfect, their arse must be covered so they don’t put their neck out with a big call, afraid to go against consensus, everything must be lined up, and checks and balances all perfect. They cannot deal with uncertainty, or take risk based decisions, or risk-reward decisions which have gaps and require thoughts around probability rather than perfection. All the quantitative data (high volume data sets such as seasonal, but backward looking) must be lined up to confirm the decision, but qualitative / Bayesian (low volume of data points, but often more recent and more reliable leading indicators) will be dismissed as “not enough evidence”. Lawyers suffer from the same problem.
It is no surprise that when people retire and go on trading / invesmtent courses to learn to trade or
invest their own money, it is ex-civil servants, ex-lawyers and mathematicians (that will surprise people!) that are the worst performers. They neef everything to be perfect and obvious before they can make the call, or take a big decision. Former business people, engineers, or people who have worked in various sectors often perform the best and make the transition to trading.
Here on this board, you can see the same behaviours and same methods, from similar characters. It is former or existing civil servants that remain in their trenches. There is a lack of mental flexibility. So negative, they dig a trench in case their main trench fails as a defensive retreat! That is Ok. This is their natural character so they shouldn’t be mocked, but it should be observed. Like perma-bear or perma-bull traders, until they are willing to open up, seek therapy or psychological coaching it is too entrenched to change. It is a fixed mindset.
It is not a criticism of them as they are wired a set way and a product of their upbringing or work environments, where their behaviours are re-inforced by their peers or work culture. But they will only believe we can make top six once we are in the top six. “Ooh look, the data tells me that we could finish in the top six” isn’t very usefup nor revealing if you are already there. The real skill was predicting it before you got there, not confirming what has already happened, and being expected to be celebrated like Mystic Meg.
These days I coach graduates on decision-making systems and it is satisfying to see them get there, as it helps them make better decisions in life. But the messageboard is beautiful in the sense that it mirrors people’s decision making systems in everyday life. It’s a fascinating thing to observe.
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
You just got thick-skinned and cynical after that fly-fishing book of yours bombed.
Not true. I was born cynical.:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
I find the psychology of board mood quite fascinating, and I am not being facetious when I say this. But board psychology mirrors human psychology in general. You can draw parallells from all walks of life as a reference point for comparison,
In the financial trading world, we have what are called Pollyannas and Cassandras. Or Perma-Bulls and Perma-Bears. In that order, it means permanently optimisitc or permanently pessimistic. The best traders are those with mental flexibility to smell the change of the wind, and switch their positions to take advantage of it. The pessimists don’t take enough risk and live in fear. Fear of letting go. Fear of being wrong. Often referenced by childhood, poor work experience, self-doubt, imposter syndrome or sometimes just a mental block due to stress. The over-optimists have a good run for a while then blow out as they believe good times last forever. This is all about people’s decision-making systems in general. It applies to people’s work, life decisions, investments and even forecasts for their football team. You see the same here.
Often civil servants make the worst traders or forecasters. Because their training and work experience tells them to avoid risk, tick every box, all historic quantitative data must be perfect, their arse must be covered so they don’t put their neck out with a big call, afraid to go against consensus, everything must be lined up, and checks and balances all perfect. They cannot deal with uncertainty, or take risk based decisions, or risk-reward decisions which have gaps and require thoughts around probability rather than perfection. All the quantitative data (high volume data sets such as seasonal, but backward looking) must be lined up to confirm the decision, but qualitative / Bayesian (low volume of data points, but often more recent and more reliable leading indicators) will be dismissed as “not enough evidence”. Lawyers suffer from the same problem.
It is no surprise that when people retire and go on trading / invesmtent courses to learn to trade or
invest their own money, it is ex-civil servants, ex-lawyers and mathematicians (that will surprise people!) that are the worst performers. They neef everything to be perfect and obvious before they can make the call, or take a big decision. Former business people, engineers, or people who have worked in various sectors often perform the best and make the transition to trading.
Here on this board, you can see the same behaviours and same methods, from similar characters. It is former or existing civil servants that remain in their trenches. There is a lack of mental flexibility. So negative, they dig a trench in case their main trench fails as a defensive retreat! That is Ok. This is their natural character so they shouldn’t be mocked, but it should be observed. Like perma-bear or perma-bull traders, until they are willing to open up, seek therapy or psychological coaching it is too entrenched to change. It is a fixed mindset.
It is not a criticism of them as they are wired a set way and a product of their upbringing or work environments, where their behaviours are re-inforced by their peers or work culture. But they will only believe we can make top six once we are in the top six. “Ooh look, the data tells me that we could finish in the top six” isn’t very usefup nor revealing if you are already there. The real skill was predicting it before you got there, not confirming what has already happened, and being expected to be celebrated like Mystic Meg.
These days I coach graduates on decision-making systems and it is satisfying to see them get there, as it helps them make better decisions in life. But the messageboard is beautiful in the sense that it mirrors people’s decision making systems in everyday life. It’s a fascinating thing to observe.
Ha ha spot on, it influences the way they vote also, you only have to read a few football posts to know which way people will most likley vote.
Ps is it time to take profits from US tech and Japan?
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
I find the psychology of board mood quite fascinating, and I am not being facetious when I say this. But board psychology mirrors human psychology in general. You can draw parallells from all walks of life as a reference point for comparison,
In the financial trading world, we have what are called Pollyannas and Cassandras. Or Perma-Bulls and Perma-Bears. In that order, it means permanently optimisitc or permanently pessimistic. The best traders are those with mental flexibility to smell the change of the wind, and switch their positions to take advantage of it. The pessimists don’t take enough risk and live in fear. Fear of letting go. Fear of being wrong. Often referenced by childhood, poor work experience, self-doubt, imposter syndrome or sometimes just a mental block due to stress. The over-optimists have a good run for a while then blow out as they believe good times last forever. This is all about people’s decision-making systems in general. It applies to people’s work, life decisions, investments and even forecasts for their football team. You see the same here.
Often civil servants make the worst traders or forecasters. Because their training and work experience tells them to avoid risk, tick every box, all historic quantitative data must be perfect, their arse must be covered so they don’t put their neck out with a big call, afraid to go against consensus, everything must be lined up, and checks and balances all perfect. They cannot deal with uncertainty, or take risk based decisions, or risk-reward decisions which have gaps and require thoughts around probability rather than perfection. All the quantitative data (high volume data sets such as seasonal, but backward looking) must be lined up to confirm the decision, but qualitative / Bayesian (low volume of data points, but often more recent and more reliable leading indicators) will be dismissed as “not enough evidence”. Lawyers suffer from the same problem.
It is no surprise that when people retire and go on trading / invesmtent courses to learn to trade or
invest their own money, it is ex-civil servants, ex-lawyers and mathematicians (that will surprise people!) that are the worst performers. They neef everything to be perfect and obvious before they can make the call, or take a big decision. Former business people, engineers, or people who have worked in various sectors often perform the best and make the transition to trading.
Here on this board, you can see the same behaviours and same methods, from similar characters. It is former or existing civil servants that remain in their trenches. There is a lack of mental flexibility. So negative, they dig a trench in case their main trench fails as a defensive retreat! That is Ok. This is their natural character so they shouldn’t be mocked, but it should be observed. Like perma-bear or perma-bull traders, until they are willing to open up, seek therapy or psychological coaching it is too entrenched to change. It is a fixed mindset.
It is not a criticism of them as they are wired a set way and a product of their upbringing or work environments, where their behaviours are re-inforced by their peers or work culture. But they will only believe we can make top six once we are in the top six. “Ooh look, the data tells me that we could finish in the top six” isn’t very usefup nor revealing if you are already there. The real skill was predicting it before you got there, not confirming what has already happened, and being expected to be celebrated like Mystic Meg.
These days I coach graduates on decision-making systems and it is satisfying to see them get there, as it helps them make better decisions in life. But the messageboard is beautiful in the sense that it mirrors people’s decision making systems in everyday life. It’s a fascinating thing to observe.
I think that there should be an agreed maximum length of post. I went away and had a cup of tea and when I came back this one was still going !! 😄
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
I think that there should be an agreed maximum length of post. I went away and had a cup of tea and when I came back this one was still going !! 😄
😂😂 Appreciated. Apologies. A subject I very much enjoy. Time for me to make my own brew
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Out right lies like what….( even our own politicians in the echelons of power, lie ) care to point them out , and if you can point them out will be offered a counter argument- that’s how a message-board works.
As far as I’m aware you just don’t appear like posters who have different opinions on what you want to hear. If you don’t like what’s being posted then just ignore it.
Besides , as another poster pointed out it’s a football message-board, I think this would be the last place I’d come for facts and evidence based analysis if you’re that put out.
I have pointed them out with direct quotes from those who lied about what I supposedly said and asked repeatedly for them to back up their lies with what I said.
I am fully aware as to how a message board works and it's not about what I don't want to hear.
If, for example, I said that certain poster on make often make racist remarks I think it fully justify that they ask me to back up my assertion if they believe what I have said is a downright lie and an unjustified slur.
Don't confuse that stance with general disparaging remarks one may receive on here that are more subjective and which are part and parcel of being on a message board.
I don't intend banging on about this endlessly and if you disagree with my stance, that's fine. As I say, I don't have a problem with opinions opposing mine.
I'll leave it there.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Not true. I was born cynical.:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
The board is getting more positive, Bulut and the team are improving, and that sort of change is not for everyone, I'm not saying Eric, but a lot of posters prefer posting when we are doing badly, they like to moan about the football.
You are defintiely saying Eric
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
Appreciated. Apologies. A subject I very much enjoy. Time for me to make my own brew
Re. your long post earlier...it is interesting but you do make the assumption that everyone posts the truth, is emotionally consistent, never deviates, hasn't got a personality disorder, has no alter-ego personas, and is not on a plethora of anti-psychotics. Not everyone can be like me!
....also....pretty much all of the city traders I knew were best mates with Charlie and had every betting app known to humankind on their smartphones. I'm just not convinced that olfactory skills are the answer to making great decisions. Unless, maybe, you're a chef. Or herbalist. :tongue: