Conservatives Vote Getting Split

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Originally Posted by goats

Something ironic about your love of the Tories yet you live in Cowbridge don’t you sludge? Christ, is there even a more Tory posh area in Wales?

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Yes , Lisvane, Rhiwbina etc

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Pretty much every left-winger I know votes such way from a position of privilege, less likely to be impacted by any consequences of their decisions.

Same goes for wealthier right wingers too I suppose..

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That doesn't apply to anyone I know

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That doesn't apply to anyone I know

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Certainly does to me, although more pronounced on Brexit related topics in all honesty.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Pretty much every left-winger I know votes such way from a position of privilege, less likely to be impacted by any consequences of their decisions.

Same goes for wealthier right wingers too I suppose..

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Strangely same here, most still live at home with their parents or never even left, fart about most of the day shopping for expensive loaves of bread or busy tending their allotment….posh lefties, barely live in this world

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Yes , Lisvane, Rhiwbina etc

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Rhiwbina isn’t that posh, leafy maybe but just full of old people hence the extreme number of bungalow. Face it, you live in Tory town, how apt. You secret ly are one right? Proper undercover

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Certainly does to me, although more pronounced on Brexit related topics in all honesty.

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I don't know what you are saying here

You are posh and so are all your mates and only you vote Tory and all the rest vote Labour because they have enough cash for the cost of left wing policies not to bother them and they do it out of some kind of misguided guilt ?

I am fortunate to live in an area which is affluent the people I know don't votectorh because they don't like the conservatives it's no more complicated than that

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Originally Posted by goats

Strangely same here, most still live at home with their parents or never even left, fart about most of the day shopping for expensive loaves of bread or busy tending their allotment….posh lefties, barely live in this world

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You are starting to lose the plot here

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Originally Posted by goats

Rhiwbina isn’t that posh, leafy maybe but just full of old people hence the extreme number of bungalow. Face it, you live in Tory town, how apt. You secret ly are one right? Proper undercover

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You need to have a look at the league table of wealthiest streets in Wales sonny

They are all in Cardiff North

Driving through Radyr there was always the sickening Vote Conservative signs outside houses election time. Made u want to throw up.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I don't know what you are saying here

You are posh and so are all your mates and only you vote Tory and all the rest vote Labour because they have enough cash for the cost of left wing policies not to bother them and they do it out of some kind of misguided guilt ?

I am fortunate to live in an area which is affluent the people I know don't votectorh because they don't like the conservatives it's no more complicated than that

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I'm saying most of the most left wing people I know are pretty wealthy. Most of the most vocal 'remainy' people I know were certainly wealthy.

Just my observation

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I'm saying most of the most left wing people I know are pretty wealthy. Most of the most vocal 'remainy' people I know were certainly wealthy.

Just my observation

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That obviously depends where you live and who are you are friends with.

You defend the Tories on just about everything I suspect you may be a Councillor for them or something.

But the huge majority of left wing people are obviously not wealthy. To suggest otherwise would be ridiculous.

On the flip side after Kinnock lost to Thatcher he was asked what would happen to him. His reply was he'd be ok and financially be better off under Thatcher but he wasn't in it for the money.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Driving through Radyr there was always the sickening Vote Conservative signs outside houses election time. Made u want to throw up.

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Yes they would get defaced sometimes which was shocking and a crime against humanity

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Labour have taken the middle ground, that's the only way to win, ideally slightly right of middle is the bulk of voters.

Yes Farage has finished the tory's for a long time, lets hope labour aren't lying about their borrowing and taxation, they probably are but lets see, there are easy ways to avoid paying too much tax.

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Explain to me what good would a tax cut do you when you ring for an ambulance? I’d love to know.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Explain to me what good would a tax cut do you when you ring for an ambulance? I’d love to know.

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The prime minister and a few days later mordaunt have repeated the lie about labour and tax

And their disciples are still trotting out the same old rubbish

It's staggering especially as it's sunak and the Tories who are the party in charge of the current situation where independent analysts state that the Tories are in no position to talk about taxation and indeed are fibbing through their pants about it

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Some of the tax stuff is disputable, as its based on the tax thresholds not changing as expected, but that doesn't mean they've gone up. Most of us don't cross tax thresholds. I demonstrably pay less tax than I did two years ago now.

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If you cross the higher threshold pay the excess into your pension, ideally by salary sacrifice to avoid paying the 40/45p. £50K should be enough for most people in Wales unless you have a massive mortgage or daft car loans/finance/lease agreements.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

🤣🤣🤣 . Boo hoo. Your going to lose.

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You probably will too, especially if you are younger by paying a fortune back in national debt for longer :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Yes they would get defaced sometimes which was shocking and a crime against humanity

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I think it's where the right wing loons from Walesonline live.

Sitting in their houses cursing Meghan Markle. 🤣

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The conservatives have been responsible for the huge increases in immigration

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Too right they've been so lapse on this, they deserve to all lose their jobs, Labour will be much worse though.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

You probably will too, especially if you are younger by paying a fortune back in national debt for longer :hehe:

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Thanks to your lot and the Bexit lot I'm already far worse off.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Another Tory who knows exactly what Labour will do despite them not being in power for over fourteen years and yet is seemingly oblivious to how taxes have gone up as a matter of fact, rather than guesswork, under their party during that time. All Labour needs to do is ask those who were in the working population in 2010 do you feel better off today than you did then and, apart from those who aren’t being honest with themselves, the answer will answer no.

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Everyone with a brain knows, the problem is many have forgotten and some are too young, they'll know in five to ten years for sure.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

I think it's where the right wing loons from Walesonline live.

Sitting in their houses cursing Meghan Markle. 🤣

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Very odd on there

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You need to have a look at the league table of wealthiest streets in Wales sonny

They are all in Cardiff North

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Dinas Powys very expensive apparently, and seemed quite nice when I worked in that area.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I'm saying most of the most left wing people I know are pretty wealthy. Most of the most vocal 'remainy' people I know were certainly wealthy.

Just my observation

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They are both ends of the spectrum, many love the additional handouts at the bottom, and at the top work in the NHS, Civil Service bods, and Headmaster types who also benefited.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

That obviously depends where you live and who are you are friends with.

You defend the Tories on just about everything I suspect you may be a Councillor for them or something.

But the huge majority of left wing people are obviously not wealthy. To suggest otherwise would be ridiculous.

On the flip side after Kinnock lost to Thatcher he was asked what would happen to him. His reply was he'd be ok and financially be better off under Thatcher but he wasn't in it for the money.

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he wasn't in it for the money. :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: The Kinnocks :hehe: Good one :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Explain to me what good would a tax cut do you when you ring for an ambulance? I’d love to know.

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I don't want tax cuts?

I don't want massive wastage, increased benefit payments, increased immigration, increased government jobs, and tax rises either.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Thanks to your lot and the Bexit lot I'm already far worse off.

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That is nonsense, and I didn't vote for Brexit.

But we won't know the full effects of Brexit for another three to five years, Covid and the war in Ukraine and increased energy costs, both causing a hike in inflation have been the main problems over the last four to five years.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

That is nonsense, and I didn't vote for Brexit.

But we won't know the full effects of Brexit for another three to five years, Covid and the war in Ukraine and increased energy costs, both causing a hike in inflation have been the main problems over the last four to five years.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Originally Posted by Hilts

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Why is inflation so high and growth so paltry in every other country in Europe, Hilts?

In Germany, where they have a centre-left govt in power, the situation is worse, so that would suggest the solution to the issues we face isn't just voting in a centre-left govt, no?

Once youve stopped laughing perhaps you can explain that one?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Why is inflation so high and growth so paltry in every other country in Europe, Hilts?

In Germany, where they have a centre-left govt in power, the situation is worse, so that would suggest the solution to the issues we face isn't just voting in a centre-left govt, no?

Once youve stopped laughing perhaps you can explain that one?

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I can explain it by stating that the centre left govt in Germany is crap

Because its crap , not because its centre left

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I can explain it by stating that the centre left govt in Germany is crap

Because its crap , not because its centre left

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Now it's my turn to laugh 😂.

You can't provide a single example can you?

If it isn't global issues causing problems, then show me where in the western world isn't suffering / suffered the same problems as us?

There is a choice of about 50 countries or so, so it shouldn't be hard.

The risk here is that you are selling a lie, and then in a fairly short period people look around and say, well the Tories didn't work...Labour dont work either..and then where do they look?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Why is inflation so high and growth so paltry in every other country in Europe, Hilts?

In Germany, where they have a centre-left govt in power, the situation is worse, so that would suggest the solution to the issues we face isn't just voting in a centre-left govt, no?

Once youve stopped laughing perhaps you can explain that one?

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He hasn't got a clue about the economy, he's probably laughing because Mammy and Daddy told him it was big bad Rishi's fault, so vote Labour.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Now it's my turn to laugh 😂.

You can't provide a single example can you?

If it isn't global issues causing problems, then show me where in the western world isn't suffering / suffered the same problems as us?

There is a choice of about 50 countries or so, so it shouldn't be hard.

The risk here is that you are selling a lie, and then in a fairly short period people look around and say, well the Tories didn't work...Labour dont work either..and then where do they look?

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You are just pining like a howling old dog left in a house because your lot look like they are going to get stuffed

Bullseye

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I can explain it by stating that the centre left govt in Germany is crap

Because its crap , not because its centre left

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Ask the Germans and Swedes about immigration too, they wish they could turn the clock back.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Everyone with a brain knows, the problem is many have forgotten and some are too young, they'll know in five to ten years for sure.

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In my working life and as a pensioner, I’ve seen a change to Conservative from Labour in 1979, from Conservative to Labour in 1997 and the change to Conservative in 2010. I can’t remember feeling obviously worse off at the end of those Governments, yet as this one is, hopefully, coming to an end, I’m definitely worse off than I was fourteen years ago. I’m talking financially there, I’m not even thinking about the decline in the NHS, other poorer public services, worse trains, shit in our rivers and the way hardly anyone under forty can buy a house. A few months back, the Tories tried to tell us that Labour would take us “back to square one” - it was soon dropped because people were saying square one looks pretty good compared to what we’ve got now.

It's not hard is it.

Tbh, I entirely understand the argument that after a decade and a half it's time for a new party. I get that, and I would argue the same in the senedd. I also get the argument that I think Bob makes sometimes about punishing them for partygate and scandals and things.

But the argument the economy is "crashed" and the problems caused by the govt etc. I'm sorry that's not true and it's kinda dangerous stuff as the new govt will face the same problems.

As I said, name a single western country not facing the same problems to a greater or lesser extent.

Can any of you do that?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I don't want tax cuts?

I don't want massive wastage, increased benefit payments, increased immigration, increased government jobs, and tax rises either.

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You’ve got most of them from this Government.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Driving through Radyr there was always the sickening Vote Conservative signs outside houses election time. Made u want to throw up.

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Probably one of sludges former abodes, he’s moved up in the world since his Radyr village days

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Ask the Germans and Swedes about immigration too, they wish they could turn the clock back.

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All of them ?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

In my working life and as a pensioner, I’ve seen a change to Conservative from Labour in 1979, from Conservative to Labour in 1997 and the change to Conservative in 2010. I can’t remember feeling obviously worse off at the end of those Governments, yet as this one is, hopefully, coming to an end, I’m definitely worse off than I was fourteen years ago. I’m talking financially there, I’m not even thinking about the decline in the NHS, other poorer public services, worse trains, shit in our rivers and the way hardly anyone under forty can buy a house. A few months back, the Tories tried to tell us that Labour would take us “back to square one” - it was soon dropped because people were saying square one looks pretty good compared to what we’ve got now.

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Weren't you a civil servant?

Of course you would want Labour!

Haven't you retired in the last fourteen years?

You are bound to feel poorer your wage has stopped.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's not hard is it.

Tbh, I entirely understand the argument that after a decade and a half it's time for a new party. I get that, and I would argue the same in the senedd. I also get the argument that I think Bob makes sometimes about punishing them for partygate and scandals and things.

But the argument the economy is "crashed" and the problems caused by the govt etc. I'm sorry that's not true and it's kinda dangerous stuff as the new govt will face the same problems.

As I said, name a single western country not facing the same problems to a greater or lesser extent.

Can any of you do that?

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The truth and common sense doesn't fit the narrative, it's all the government's fault, they loved the furlough, but don't like paying the money they were given back.

It will take years and a Labour government won't help, they will see come back to this thread in five years!