Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I can do a tea with you but I don't drink alcohol while I'm in training for my next super heavyweight ultimate bare knuckle boxing fight, there's no way I'm risking losing my 52-0-0 (52 KO's) record

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

10 million pensioners will lose their Winter Fuel Payment. Labour said nothing about that in their manifesto, so have no democratic mandate to do it and pensioners will rightly feel betrayed. If this were a tory government decision then the social comedian Sludge would be all over it - Two Tier Sludge.

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Some pensioners might feel betrayed , mostly the ones with a few quid

You don't speak for all of them

It's the right decision although some will inevitably face hardship as that's what happens

I am so glad the Tories are out

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

10 million pensioners will lose their Winter Fuel Payment. Labour said nothing about that in their manifesto, so have no democratic mandate to do it and pensioners will rightly feel betrayed. If this were a tory government decision then the social comedian Sludge would be all over it - Two Tier Sludge.

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They can do what they want

They have a huge majority

Which is what your tory boys did for years

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Some pensioners might feel betrayed , mostly the ones with a few quid

You don't speak for all of them

It's the right decision although some will inevitably face hardship as that's what happens

I am so glad the Tories are out

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I'm glad the Tories are out too. I'm just not glad that the current government are in. I don't like any of them. I don't trust any of them. Here's where some of our tax is going but we don't have enough to run the UK properly. Meanwhile.....Labour are going to make 'tough decisions' to make sure this money is available by blaming the Tories. No current UK party is fit for purpose. They ALL lie. We're treated like mugs. It's shameful.

UK will give Ukraine £3bn a year ‘for as long as it takes’, says Starmer https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-says-starmer

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I'm glad the Tories are out too. I'm just not glad that the current government are in. I don't like any of them. I don't trust any of them. Here's where some of our tax is going but we don't have enough to run the UK properly. Meanwhile.....Labour are going to make 'tough decisions' to make sure this money is available by blaming the Tories. No current UK party is fit for purpose. They ALL lie. We're treated like mugs. It's shameful.

UK will give Ukraine £3bn a year ‘for as long as it takes’, says Starmer https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-says-starmer

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I’ve been in Monaco recently, the amount of Ukrainian vehicles cruising around is staggering

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

10 million pensioners will lose their Winter Fuel Payment. Labour said nothing about that in their manifesto, so have no democratic mandate to do it and pensioners will rightly feel betrayed. If this were a tory government decision then the social comedian Sludge would be all over it - Two Tier Sludge.

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When the country is on its knees, paying wealthy older people to fund their energy is mindless.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

10 million pensioners will lose their Winter Fuel Payment. Labour said nothing about that in their manifesto, so have no democratic mandate to do it and pensioners will rightly feel betrayed. If this were a tory government decision then the social comedian Sludge would be all over it - Two Tier Sludge.

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I don't have a problem with wealthy pensioners losing the winter fuel payment. As long as those in need including those with sky high energy needs due to disabilities are supported I don't have an issue with the decision.

Giving someone like Mick Jagger £300 towards his energy needs is just plain stupid.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

I think the biggest single worrying aspect of the new Labour government is that......it sounds just like the old Tory government....and the government before that....and the government before that......

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So nothing ever changes eh? Wow quel surprise….no doubt he’s about to tax the usual suspects and give it out to those that don’t….as per the socialist way. That will encourage the 800,000 youngsters who aren’t in work or education to sort themselves out:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

I don't have a problem with wealthy pensioners losing the winter fuel payment. As long as those in need including those with sky high energy needs due to disabilities are supported I don't have an issue with the decision.

Giving someone like Mick Jagger £300 towards his energy needs is just plain stupid.

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Great example there…..what about macca? Ringo? Plenty who need it won’t get it now.

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Originally Posted by goats

Great example there…..what about macca? Ringo? Plenty who need it won’t get it now.

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I like you goats , pretty on point with most things, bravo 👏

I wonder if Charlie and his missus will get theirs? Now there's a couple desperate for something to tide them over.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I can do a tea with you but I don't drink alcohol while I'm in training for my next super heavyweight ultimate bare knuckle boxing fight, there's no way I'm risking losing my 52-0-0 (52 KO's) record

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That’s a better record than Larry Holmes.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’ve been in Monaco recently, the amount of Ukrainian vehicles cruising around is staggering

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Those F1 cars are too wide for the streets there!

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

I don't have a problem with wealthy pensioners losing the winter fuel payment. As long as those in need including those with sky high energy needs due to disabilities are supported I don't have an issue with the decision.

Giving someone like Mick Jagger £300 towards his energy needs is just plain stupid.

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Although I don't disagree on this point, there isn't a huge intellectual jump to then ask why we are helping Mick Jagger with his healthcare costs or street lights or anything else the public purse pays for.

can we please stop with the Mick Jagger stuff, every thread on here is constantly one wrong move away from becoming a pun thread and I feel like you're really dangling the worm out there with this line of conversation

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Originally Posted by delmbox

can we please stop with the Mick Jagger stuff, every thread on here is constantly one wrong move away from becoming a pun thread and I feel like you're really dangling the worm out there with this line of conversation

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I know what you mean but don't get too upset about it. You would be a fool to cry about it

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Originally Posted by delmbox

can we please stop with the Mick Jagger stuff, every thread on here is constantly one wrong move away from becoming a pun thread and I feel like you're really dangling the worm out there with this line of conversation

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You can’t always get what you want!

No Tax rises is now, tax rises it's their fault we weren't lying honest gov :hehe: He's worse than Boris

A little birdie told me that I should start preparing for austerity ...

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Originally Posted by goats

Great example there…..what about macca? Ringo? Plenty who need it won’t get it now.

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Two more great examples thanks.

As I've said as long as those who need it get it I don't have an issue. If those who need it don't get it that is a problem. I suspect many on here don't need it but resent losing it.

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

Two more great examples thanks.

As I've said as long as those who need it get it I don't have an issue. If those who need it don't get it that is a problem. I suspect many on here don't need it but resent losing it.

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I’d prefer if they applied the “need it , get it” to the free prescription policy in wales and not this mindset for pensioners. Pensioners who have spent all of their working lives paying into the tax system

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’d prefer if they applied the “need it , get it” to the free prescription policy in wales and not this mindset for pensioners. Pensioners who have spent all of their working lives paying into the tax system

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Totally agree on "need it, get it) but I'm not sure why or wherefore it relates to people paying into the tax system.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Totally agree on "need it, get it) but I'm not sure why or wherefore it relates to people paying into the tax system.

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Pensioners such as my father in law who have worked all their lives , have decent pensions and whose capital has been eroded by paying care home fees , don’t deserve to be sidelined

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’d prefer if they applied the “need it , get it” to the free prescription policy in wales and not this mindset for pensioners. Pensioners who have spent all of their working lives paying into the tax system

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I'm always slightly surprised at the way that pensioners all become hard workers the day they retire. Yes most pensioners will have worked/worked hard. But some of them won't have, some of them will have spent their whole adult life on the dole. Not a big thing but it just always makes me chuckle how the whole cohort becomes 'strivers' as soon as they've retired.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Pensioners such as my father in law who have worked all their lives , have decent pensions and whose capital has been eroded by paying care home fees , don’t deserve to be sidelined

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The Winter Heating Allowance is not some kind of reward for service you know! It's a taxpayer's funded hardship payment for those most in need. You've just admitted your in law is comfortably off with. a decent pension and indeed capital. Why can't he stand on his own feet if he's got capital to access?

Many many thousands are not so fortunate and are desperate for a little extra to keep themselves warm. Whether they've worked or not is irrelevant: these people need help and, unlike the Tories, who used the fund to give out bungs to their supporters, Labour is administering the allowance sensibly.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Pensioners such as my father in law who have worked all their lives , have decent pensions and whose capital has been eroded by paying care home fees , don’t deserve to be sidelined

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When the Tories came in , 14 plus years ago , they said they were going to FIX the care crisis ....which they made far worse in the first place by privatising the home care industry !

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

The Winter Heating Allowance is not some kind of reward for service you know! It's a taxpayer's funded hardship payment for those most in need. You've just admitted your in law is comfortably off with. a decent pension and indeed capital. Why can't he stand on his own feet if he's got capital to access?

Many many thousands are not so fortunate and are desperate for a little extra to keep themselves warm. Whether they've worked or not is irrelevant: these people need help and, unlike the Tories, who used the fund to give out bungs to their supporters, Labour is administering the allowance sensibly.

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Who brought the allowance in in the first place?

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

I'm always slightly surprised at the way that pensioners all become hard workers the day they retire. Yes most pensioners will have worked/worked hard. But some of them won't have, some of them will have spent their whole adult life on the dole. Not a big thing but it just always makes me chuckle how the whole cohort becomes 'strivers' as soon as they've retired.

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They are not real pensioners they are just lazy bums over retirement age.

They won't tax working people, and now they are on about increasing the tax on petrol, so it is another blatant lie!

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Who brought the allowance in in the first place?

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Who brought in housing benefit but then slashed it ?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Who brought the allowance in in the first place?

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The point was not about a race it was about administration! USED rather than INTRODUCED.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Who brought in housing benefit but then slashed it ?

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Who was in power in 1989 ?

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

The point was not about a race it was about administration! USED rather than INTRODUCED.

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You and Sludge always avoid the question with your deflection tactics

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

The point was not about a race it was about administration! USED rather than INTRODUCED.

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I'm sorry. As you know I lack the intelligence to understand these matters oh wise one.

How have the Consrvatives "used" the winter fuel allowance any differently than Labour?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I'm sorry. As you know I lack the intelligence to understand these matters oh wise one.

How have the Consrvatives "used" the winter fuel allowance any differently than Labour?

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Noted!

Can't you see how Labour are using the fuel allowance differently now? I thought that was the crux of the Tory supporters' bellyaching?

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Noted!

Can't you see how Labour are using the fuel allowance differently now? I thought that was the crux of the Tory supporters' bellyaching?

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So, when Labour introduced this, it wasn't a bung to get people to vote for them?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

So, when Labour introduced this, it wasn't a bung to get people to vote for them?

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No indeed not

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Who was in power in 1989 ?

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Your daft girlfriend

The point being Thatcher brought in housing benefit and incapacity benefit to deal with her closure of heavy industry .....instead of providing jobs

But 20 years later her party under Iain Duncan Smith cut back on one and changed the name of the other

So if its OK for the Tories to change its OK for Labour to row back too , especially as this makes economic sense

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Your daft girlfriend

The point being Thatcher brought in housing benefit and incapacity benefit to deal with her closure of heavy industry .....instead of providing jobs

But 20 years later her party under Iain Duncan Smith cut back on one and changed the name of the other

So if its OK for the Tories to change its OK for Labour to row back too , especially as this makes economic sense

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You’re taking crap , why didn’t labour scrap it then when they were in power under Blair and brown ?

Why are labour pressing ahead with universal credit when it’s not that generous for non working people?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You’re taking crap , why didn’t labour scrap it then when they were in power under Blair and brown ?

Why are labour pressing ahead with universal credit when it’s not that generous for non working people?

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Because it was economically viable then you daft old sod

It's not now and hasn't been for about a decade ......and the Tories should have reduced the cost

But they didn't want to lose votes

But never mind they lost anyway so Labour are getting stuck into it and it will be unpopular and some will lose out and need support but that's the way it is