Justin Welby

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Is it your position that anyone that isn't a Christian is an anti-Christ? This message board must be heaving with them.

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My view has nothing to do with it, the Bible teaches that anyone, religious or otherwise, who doesn't believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ Jesus is anti-christ. Some people hide it better than others, just like this board.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

My view has nothing to do with it, the Bible teaches that anyone, religious or otherwise, who doesn't believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ Jesus is anti-christ. Some people hide it better than others, just like this board.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

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Rowan Atkinson or Rowan Williams; it's the beast within.

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Who 'hides' their lack of belief in such things?
The majority of the population of the world are considered 'anti-Christ' according to your definition, including many Jews - so best get used to it.

By the way, I was shown around a mosque in Senegal last week (by anti-Christs, no doubt) but redeemed myself yesterday by visiting a Catholic Church in the Valley of the Nuns here in Madeira.

You are Christian purely down to where and when you were born, by the way. Had you been born in China, Japan, Saudi Arabia or Ethiopia (countries with limited influence from the Roman Empire and the subsequent colonialism that bounced on some of its cultural values) you would probably be anti-Christ yourself.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Who 'hides' their lack of belief in such things?
The majority of the population of the world are considered 'anti-Christ' according to your definition, including many Jews - so best get used to it.

By the way, I was shown around a mosque in Senegal last week (by anti-Christs, no doubt) but redeemed myself yesterday by visiting a Catholic Church in the Valley of the Nuns here in Madeira.

You are Christian purely down to where and when you were born, by the way. Had you been born in China, Japan, Saudi Arabia or Ethiopia (countries with limited influence from the Roman Empire and the subsequent colonialism that bounced on some of its cultural values) you would probably be anti-Christ yourself.

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Nice try, but there are Christians (by God's definition) on every continent of the world, and as Acts 8-10 informs us, there were so from the very birth of the Church.

How did visiting a Catholic Church redeem you?
If I visit a betting shop this afternoon, do I automatically become a gambler?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Nice try, but there are Christians (by God's definition) on every continent of the world, and as Acts 8-10 informs us, there were so from the very birth of the Church.

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I know I will regret this, but how (by any sane definition - supernatural or real) were there Christians on every continent of the world 'from the very birth of the Church'? I have skimmed Acts 8-10 (and definitely regretted it - time I will never get back) but it does not say there were Christians in North America, South America, Antarctica or Australasia in the first century CE. Because there weren't.

There were small Christian groups in isolated parts of the Roman Empire (Asia, Europe and Africa) at that time, but the vast majority of the populations of those continents had no contact and had never heard of this new sect that had broken away from Judaism.

As TBG keeps pointing out, accidents of time and place determine what the credible and gullible will accept as universal truths. If you were born in seventeenth century Australia, eighth century Korea or fifteenth century Brazil you would not be going around your fellow citizens or tribal members advocating ethnic cleansing or denying women control over their own bodies in the name of a book of stone age foundation myths for 'the chosen people'!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I know I will regret this, but how (by any sane definition - supernatural or real) were there Christians on every continent of the world 'from the very birth of the Church'? I have skimmed Acts 8-10 (and definitely regretted it - time I will never get back) but it does not say there were Christians in North America, South America, Antarctica or Australasia in the first century CE. Because there weren't.

There were small Christian groups in isolated parts of the Roman Empire (Asia, Europe and Africa) at that time, but the vast majority of the populations of those continents had no contact and had never heard of this new sect that had broken away from Judaism.

As TBG keeps pointing out, accidents of time and place determine what the credible and gullible will accept as universal truths. If you were born in seventeenth century Australia, eighth century Korea or fifteenth century Brazil you would not be going around your fellow citizens or tribal members advocating ethnic cleansing or denying women control over their own bodies in the name of a book of stone age foundation myths for 'the chosen people'!

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Well a skimming is better than a shunning I guess :thumbup:

This again comes down to the world view of the reader, those like you who would reject God's Account of the history of man would scoff, but this is how this fits from God's Account to us:-

The three sons of Noah became the source (through their offspring) of three people groups who in turn went on to populate the other regions of the world such as Brazil, Iceland, Russia etc etc

The three sons were:-
Ham - the origin of the African nations.
Shem - the origin of the Asian nations.
Japheth - the origin of today's European nations.

As Acts 8 begins, Christ has recently been crucified, has risen and ascended. The Holy Spirit has arrived (as promised by Christ - See Acts chapter 2) and the Church can begun to grow; in fact it grew faster proportionally in the first century than it has in any other era.

As these things are unfolding, we read of:-

An Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26-39) - from Africa.
A murderous Saul who became Paul (Acts 9) - from Asia.
An Italian Centurian - Cornelius (Acts 10) - from Europe.

So this demostrates very clearly that the Gospel of Christ Jesus was immediately relevant to all who heard it and duly repented. Nothing has changed, this message of forgiveness, purpose and eternal security was soon established as the primary belief system across the globe, a place it still retains to this day.


While there are around 10,000 distinct religions in the world, over three-quarters of the global population adheres to one of these four – Christianity (31%), Islam (24%), Hinduism (15%), and Buddhism (7%).

Demographics Of Christianity
Christianity, a faith that began nearly 2,000 years ago in the Middle East, is now followed by 2.4 billion people, and is the primary religion practiced throughout the Americas, Europe, Oceania and sub-Saharan Africa. Half of Christians identify as Catholic, 37 percent Protestant, 12 percent Orthodox and 1 percent “Other”. The United States is home to the largest Christian population (11.3% of the world total), followed by Brazil (8%), and Mexico (5%). - article.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

There's something waiting for everyone in the 'next life' - as for your hope that Christ is not risen, all the best with that.

“The evidence for the resurrection is better than for claimed miracles in any other religion. It’s outstandingly different in quality and quantity.” Antony Flew (1923-2010) (Philosopher)

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Yes maybe there is nobody really knows…..what miracles happened again, I must have forgotten bar Warnock getting us promoted…what occurred?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Nice try, but there are Christians (by God's definition) on every continent of the world, and as Acts 8-10 informs us, there were so from the very birth of the Church.

How did visiting a Catholic Church redeem you?
If I visit a betting shop this afternoon, do I automatically become a gambler?

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You obviously don't understand a p*ss-take when it's starting you in the face.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Nice try, but there are Christians (by God's definition) on every continent of the world, and as Acts 8-10 informs us, there were so from the very birth of the Church.

How did visiting a Catholic Church redeem you?
If I visit a betting shop this afternoon, do I automatically become a gambler?

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You don't seem to really understand the word 'probably' either. This is like shooting fish in a barrel.....

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You don't seem to really understand the word 'probably' either. This is like shooting fish in a barrel.....

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I understand you are without an appropriate reply so as usual you deflect.
Nothing changes.
Maybe some content rather than froth in 2025, we can but hope.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I understand you are without an appropriate reply so as usual you deflect.
Nothing changes.
Maybe some content rather than froth in 2025, we can but hope.

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I stated that Christians are and always have been in the minority in this world and you couldn't refute it and came up with irrelevant statistics.

By the same token, the majority of the people on the planet are and have always been, by your definition, anti-Christ. You couldn't refute that either.

I stated that you would probably not be a Christian if you were raised in many other countries but you came back with irrelevant statistics.

And you talk of deflection! Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I stated that Christians are and always have been in the minority in this world and you couldn't refute it and came up with irrelevant statistics.

By the same token, the majority of the people on the planet are and have always been, by your definition, anti-Christ. You couldn't refute that either.

I stated that you would probably not be a Christian if you were raised in many other countries but you came back with irrelevant statistics.

And you talk of deflection! Hilarious.

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1. Jesus FIRST stated that those on the narrow road that leads to life were the minority. You are 2000 years too late to claim that fact Mr Genius.
2. Yes, if 1 is correct then that means those that aren't for Christ are against Him. Not too difficult to understand.
3. I came up with worldwide statistics that show that the prime faith across the world is Christianity and those that follow Christ are found in every race and nation. Period.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

1. Jesus FIRST stated that those on the narrow road that leads to life were the minority. You are 2000 years too late to claim that fact Mr Genius.
2. Yes, if 1 is correct then that means those that aren't for Christ are against Him. Not too difficult to understand.
3. I came up with worldwide statistics that show that the prime faith across the world is Christianity and those that follow Christ are found in every race and nation. Period.

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Irrelevant responses and it's all about indoctrination anyway. Christianity was mainly spread by the Roman Empire in the first place and later by colonialist powers affected by the Roman Empire.
Languages travelled via the same routes. Hence Catholic countries being associated with Latin languages etc etc.
Your myopia is unbelievable and you seem to have little understanding of global culture and history.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Irrelevant responses and it's all about indoctrination anyway. Christianity was mainly spread by the Roman Empire in the first place and later by colonialist powers affected by the Roman Empire.
Languages travelled via the same routes. Hence Catholic countries being associated with Latin languages etc etc.
Your myopia is unbelievable and you seem to have little understanding of global culture and history.

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Myopia does mean that you can see objects that are near clearly; I see no evidence that you see anything clearly, which is why you are incapable of serious in depth discussion on this or any similar subject.
I'd be delighted to be proved wrong, over to you.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well a skimming is better than a shunning I guess :thumbup:

This again comes down to the world view of the reader, those like you who would reject God's Account of the history of man would scoff, but this is how this fits from God's Account to us:-

The three sons of Noah became the source (through their offspring) of three people groups who in turn went on to populate the other regions of the world such as Brazil, Iceland, Russia etc etc

The three sons were:-
Ham - the origin of the African nations.
Shem - the origin of the Asian nations.
Japheth - the origin of today's European nations.

As Acts 8 begins, Christ has recently been crucified, has risen and ascended. The Holy Spirit has arrived (as promised by Christ - See Acts chapter 2) and the Church can begun to grow; in fact it grew faster proportionally in the first century than it has in any other era.

As these things are unfolding, we read of:-

An Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26-39) - from Africa.
A murderous Saul who became Paul (Acts 9) - from Asia.
An Italian Centurian - Cornelius (Acts 10) - from Europe.

So this demostrates very clearly that the Gospel of Christ Jesus was immediately relevant to all who heard it and duly repented. Nothing has changed, this message of forgiveness, purpose and eternal security was soon established as the primary belief system across the globe, a place it still retains to this day.


While there are around 10,000 distinct religions in the world, over three-quarters of the global population adheres to one of these four – Christianity (31%), Islam (24%), Hinduism (15%), and Buddhism (7%).

Demographics Of Christianity
Christianity, a faith that began nearly 2,000 years ago in the Middle East, is now followed by 2.4 billion people, and is the primary religion practiced throughout the Americas, Europe, Oceania and sub-Saharan Africa. Half of Christians identify as Catholic, 37 percent Protestant, 12 percent Orthodox and 1 percent “Other”. The United States is home to the largest Christian population (11.3% of the world total), followed by Brazil (8%), and Mexico (5%). - article.

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I do find religion very interesting - as kind of an evolutionalry offshoot of our capacity to learn things from our elders.

For instance according to the bible Noah was born about 2948 BCE and apparently died about 1998 BCE (for reference the great pyramid at giza was constructed by 2600 BCE)

He apparently had Shem, Ham and Japeth when he was around 500 years old - so well done him.

So that means that these sons were the origin of Asian, African and European Nations some time after 2498 BCE (when we know there were already nations in those areas)

So is something lost in translation? or intended to be a metaphor? as it doesnt seem to add up

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Myopia does mean that you can see objects that are near clearly; I see no evidence that you see anything clearly, which is why you are incapable of serious in depth discussion on this or any similar subject.
I'd be delighted to be proved wrong, over to you.

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You are so ensconced in your parochial foxhole and so unaware and ill-educated in culture across the globe as a whole and of history that I care not one jot about your opinion and your pathetic carpet-bombing of Biblical passages. You are considered by many on here to be a complete joke - and that's just what you are.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You are so ensconced in your parochial foxhole and so unaware and ill-educated in culture across the globe as a whole and of history that I care not one jot about your opinion and your pathetic carpet-bombing of Biblical passages. You are considered by many on here to be a complete joke - and that's just what you are.

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Sure, I am a fool for Christ; but who's fool are you?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...int_source=nba

More of them at it….truthpaste

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Originally Posted by goats

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...int_source=nba

More of them at it….truthpaste

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Does anything actually register when you read this board??? How many times do you have to be told of the evil of religion and that religious men wanted Christ crucified! Should we be surprised that they also cause havoc in 2024?
If you are trying to gain some purchase for mixing religion driven individuals with those who acutally know and serve Christ then think again.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Does anything actually register when you read this board??? How many times do you have to be told of the evil of religion and that religious men wanted Christ crucified! Should we be surprised that they also cause havoc in 2024?
If you are trying to gain some purchase for mixing religion driven individuals with those who acutally know and serve Christ then think again.

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Eh? What you saying love? Religion is pretty evil your right, causes far more issues than good for the lies it portrays. I’m glad you’ve finally seeen the light so to speak….you broke easier than most though.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

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I dint think there’s much debate left in it….the constant evidence of abuse is overwhelming

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Originally Posted by goats

I dint think there’s much debate left in it….the constant evidence of abuse is overwhelming

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Thanks for your update. As I suspected.

When you've worked out why religious men wanted Christ killed then you'll be a lot nearer to the truth.

I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see - former slave trader, John Newton.

AMAZING GRACE - the facts.

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Originally Posted by goats

I dint think there’s much debate left in it….the constant evidence of abuse is overwhelming

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I agree with you, but you have poked Truthpaste's nest with a sharp stick and given this thread a new spin.

Truthpaste will tell you he has nothing to do with those other 'god botherers' because they are the wrong sort of 'god botherer'. Only his sort are the right sort. He will then hit you over the head with a load of extracts from an old book and look smug as if he has proved something.

But you brought it on yourself..... :xmashehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I agree with you, but you have poked Truthpaste's nest with a sharp stick and given this thread a new spin.

Truthpaste will tell you he has nothing to do with those other 'god botherers' because they are the wrong sort of 'god botherer'. Only his sort are the right sort. He will then hit you over the head with a load of extracts from an old book and look smug as if he has proved something.

But you brought it on yourself..... :xmashehe:

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Nice try, but again no cigar; you just can't get your head above that glass ceiling.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Nice try, but again no cigar; you just can't get your head above that glass ceiling.

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Glass ceiling? :xmashehe:

I can't get above the barrier in place to suppress women and minorities? OK!

I suppose it is mildly entertaining the way you butcher simple words and phrases.

I still haven't recovered from your bizarre use of 'economy'!

Maybe stick to 'begat', 'cherubim' and 'eschatology'? :xmashehe:

Yes, glass ceiling, and you keep bumping your head.

Economy: from Greek oikonomia ‘household management’. So do try some more :xmassherlock:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I agree with you, but you have poked Truthpaste's nest with a sharp stick and given this thread a new spin.

Truthpaste will tell you he has nothing to do with those other 'god botherers' because they are the wrong sort of 'god botherer'. Only his sort are the right sort. He will then hit you over the head with a load of extracts from an old book and look smug as if he has proved something.

But you brought it on yourself..... :xmashehe:

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I know silly me, I’ve never been able to keep out of trouble…..should have seen the light when I was young eh?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Glass ceiling? :xmashehe:

I can't get above the barrier in place to suppress women and minorities? OK!

I suppose it is mildly entertaining the way you butcher simple words and phrases.

I still haven't recovered from your bizarre use of 'economy'!

Maybe stick to 'begat', 'cherubim' and 'eschatology'? :xmashehe:

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What’s scarier is he could be sat next to you at the ccs and I wouldn’t have a clue I was so close to someone so dangerous. I’d be safer next to ted bundy

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Originally Posted by goats

I know silly me, I’ve never been able to keep out of trouble…..should have seen the light when I was young eh?

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Like John Lennox said, your religion of evolution is for "those afraid of the light", therefore it's not really Christians you fear, simply the hopelessness and uncertainty of bathing in darkness.

Think on this:

Kurt Cobain said; “I’ve got it all and it’s not enough”

Freddie Mercury, Elvis & Tony Hancock all confessed that: “happiness was nowhere to be found”

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Like John Lennox said, your religion of evolution is for "those afraid of the light", therefore it's not really Christians you fear, simply the hopelessness and uncertainty of bathing in darkness.

Think on this:

Kurt Cobain said; “I’ve got it all and it’s not enough”

Freddie Mercury, Elvis & Tony Hancock all confessed that: “happiness was nowhere to be found”

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I know you are pretty strong on the Lennox religious bits but could you give us something a bit more factual to back up the Cobain, Mercury, Elvis and Hancock bits you helpfully put in quotation marks and embellished it with different colour fonts.

Wouldn't want anyone thinking you make the odd bit up based on shit you read on the net!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I know you are pretty strong on the Lennox religious bits but could you give us something a bit more factual to back up the Cobain, Mercury, Elvis and Hancock bits you helpfully put in quotation marks and embellished it with different colour fonts.

Wouldn't want anyone thinking you make the odd bit up based on shit you read on the net!

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Or the big black book of fables.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Or the big black book of fables.

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Don't know about you, but I would place more credence on Pencoed Jack's tales of the 80/90s than Truthpaste's interpretation of a book a couple of millenia earlier!

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Like John Lennox said, your religion of evolution is for "those afraid of the light", therefore it's not really Christians you fear, simply the hopelessness and uncertainty of bathing in darkness.

Think on this:

Kurt Cobain said; “I’ve got it all and it’s not enough”

Freddie Mercury, Elvis & Tony Hancock all confessed that: “happiness was nowhere to be found”

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But John Lennon said 'I am the walrus', and Annie Lennox said 'Sweet dreams are made of this'.

Think on that, truthpaste!


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Originally Posted by jon1959

But John Lennon said 'I am the walrus', and Annie Lennox said 'Sweet dreams are made of this'.

Think on that, truthpaste!


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jon1959 - have you been on the pop tonight fellah or what?

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

jon1959 - have you been on the pop tonight fellah or what?

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I think he was parodying Truthpaste's, let's say "imaginative quotes" of deceased rock and comic stars against him.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I think he was parodying Truthpaste's, let's say "imaginative quotes" of deceased rock and comic stars against him.

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I realise that - I'm just surprised by his response! :wink:

I suspect TP's quotes may not be imaginary though, as the people he names all suffered from depression and drug dependency and probably struggled to find true happiness.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

I realise that - I'm just surprised by his response! :wink:

I suspect TP's quotes may not be imaginary though, as the people he names all suffered from depression and probably struggled to find true happiness.

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I guess until he unveils his inverted comma's with actual evidence that they made those quotes we will live in suspense. The reason why that has anything to do with Christianity compared with the torments of let's say Caravagggio, Michaelangelo and Leonardo will probably have to wait for a different day!