Elon Musk

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

A simpler answer would have been just wait and see.

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So, to the questions, do you agree with him and do you think the same as him about Musk, your simple answer is wait and see :shrug: - that’s as confusing as your first answer.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

A cognitive bias is a systematic pattern of deviation from norm or rationality in judgment. Individuals create their own "subjective reality" from their perception of the input. An individual's construction of reality, not the objective input, may dictate their behaviour in the world. Thus, cognitive biases may sometimes lead to perceptual distortion, inaccurate judgment, illogical interpretation, and irrationality.

BTW welcome back :biggrin:

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Is, for example, Jeremy Corbyn a terrorist sympathising communist then? Plenty of evidence for that and people who would say he is.

No idea who Adrian Dittman is. I'm not sure of any white supremacy stuff?

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“This thread isn't about him though, is it”

Now I wonder who said that???

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So, to the questions, do you agree with him and do you think the same as him about Musk, your simple answer is wait and see :shrug: - that’s as confusing as your first answer.

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It's still early days and you judge people on what they do, not what they say.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It's still early days and you judge people on what they do, not what they say.

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Who? The guy on the video or Musk? Your answer makes some, but not much, sense if you're talking about Musk, but none at all if you're talking about the video.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

That can work both ways. If I did that in the street and gave the explanation that has been given then a grand sum of completely nobody would believe me, yet half of America believes Elon.

Fwiw my initial reaction is that I don't think he's trying to do a nazi salute because I don't actually think he is that dumb but am struggling to work out what the **** he is doing if it isn't.

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For 80+ years, being a nazi is just about the worst group you could be accused of being in. It's all we've known for our whole lives (I'm pretty sure there's no one posting here who remembers pre-Nazi Germany). So it's understandable to think it couldn't be an actual nazi salute, as why would anyone, let alone the richest man in the world, do one (twice) at an event for a US president's inauguration. It must be something else.

But I don't know what. If you saw a video of a guy doing that movement in his living room, what else could you say it was? Put it in the context of what Musk has been saying and tweeting in the last month and it looks even worse. Still, it'll all be forgotten by tomorrow.

If he were cast by a top film director as a vicious, demented Nazi thug then Musk would get praised for his portrayal of the role on his looks alone. However, any subsequent examination of his background and beliefs would raise misgivings because it would likely be thought the guy isn't actually acting.

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Originally Posted by lardy

For 80+ years, being a nazi is just about the worst group you could be accused of being in. It's all we've known for our whole lives (I'm pretty sure there's no one posting here who remembers pre-Nazi Germany). So it's understandable to think it couldn't be an actual nazi salute, as why would anyone, let alone the richest man in the world, do one (twice) at an event for a US president's inauguration. It must be something else.

But I don't know what. If you saw a video of a guy doing that movement in his living room, what else could you say it was? Put it in the context of what Musk has been saying and tweeting in the last month and it looks even worse. Still, it'll all be forgotten by tomorrow.

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Washington is full of them.

https://i.ibb.co/mz67RDs/photo-01.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

A cognitive bias is a systematic pattern of deviation from norm or rationality in judgment. Individuals create their own "subjective reality" from their perception of the input. An individual's construction of reality, not the objective input, may dictate their behaviour in the world. Thus, cognitive biases may sometimes lead to perceptual distortion, inaccurate judgment, illogical interpretation, and irrationality.

BTW welcome back :biggrin:

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I've always said most people vote for what benefits them the most, Labour voters now mostly come from the Public Sector, and people who are more reliant on the state.

Probably like most, when i saw the twitter clip of the Nazi salute, i was thinking WTF, but once the the full clip was published with the context, it's quite clear the initial clip was edited to reflect what was shown, I still think he was stupid and should have been better prepared for his moment on stage.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Probably like most, when i saw the twitter clip of the Nazi salute, i was thinking WTF, but once the the full clip was published with the context, it's quite clear the initial clip was edited to reflect what was shown, I still think he was stupid and should have been better prepared for his moment on stage.

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Do most people really leap to conclusions like you did? Or is it only the minority that take the bait so easily?

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Originally Posted by lardy

For 80+ years, being a nazi is just about the worst group you could be accused of being in. It's all we've known for our whole lives (I'm pretty sure there's no one posting here who remembers pre-Nazi Germany). So it's understandable to think it couldn't be an actual nazi salute, as why would anyone, let alone the richest man in the world, do one (twice) at an event for a US president's inauguration. It must be something else.

But I don't know what. If you saw a video of a guy doing that movement in his living room, what else could you say it was? Put it in the context of what Musk has been saying and tweeting in the last month and it looks even worse. Still, it'll all be forgotten by tomorrow.

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Sorry, but I can’t get that episode of Father Ted out of my mind after reading the first sentence of your second paragraph.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Sorry, but I can’t get that episode of Father Ted out of my mind after reading the first sentence of your second paragraph.

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You wouldn't have anything from the Allied side, would you?

Oh no, that sort of thing doesn't interest me at all.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Probably like most, when i saw the twitter clip of the Nazi salute, i was thinking WTF, but once the the full clip was published with the context, it's quite clear the initial clip was edited to reflect what was shown, I still think he was stupid and should have been better prepared for his moment on stage.

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Can you give a bit more detail about the context?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddzlVzc_ypE

"This is what victory feels like. Yeah! And this was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilisation. You know, there are elections that come and go. Some elections are, you know, important, some are not. But this one, this one. (laughs) This one really matters, and I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you.”

*Nazi Salute*
*Nazi Salute*

"My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilisation is assured."

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Probably like most, when i saw the twitter clip of the Nazi salute, i was thinking WTF, but once the the full clip was published with the context, it's quite clear the initial clip was edited to reflect what was shown, I still think he was stupid and should have been better prepared for his moment on stage.

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Like I said people are going to see what they want to see. All I see in those images above are people raising their arm while conveying a message. I certainly don't see any Republican or Democrat Nazis, but that's just me.

Elon Musk forgot to apply the filter :biggrin:

https://x.com/TheRicanMemes/status/1881454057950429552

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Originally Posted by lardy

Can you give a bit more detail about the context?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddzlVzc_ypE

"This is what victory feels like. Yeah! And this was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilisation. You know, there are elections that come and go. Some elections are, you know, important, some are not. But this one, this one. (laughs) This one really matters, and I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you.”

*Nazi Salute*
*Nazi Salute*

"My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilisation is assured."

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Mate, you saw Trump colluding with Russia for SEVEN years, so maybe you just need to get off your high horse :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Mate, you saw Trump colluding with Russia for SEVEN years, so maybe you just need to get off your high horse :hehe:

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Was easy to draw him out from Hiding :hehe: so predictable :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Washington is full of them.

https://i.ibb.co/mz67RDs/photo-01.jpg

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Right show us all the video link showing the 3 above doing nazi salutes. Raising your arm to wave doesn’t count.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Was easy to draw him out from Hiding :hehe: so predictable :hehe:

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Not to mention his Hunter Biden laptop hoax.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...l-information/

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Not to mention his Hunter Biden laptop hoax

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...l-information/

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Oh my sides , stop it please :hehe:

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Right show us all the video link showing the 3 above doing nazi salutes. Raising your arm to wave doesn’t count.

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Nobody said they are doing Nazi salutes, you are the only one saying it.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Oh my sides , stop it please :hehe:

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I've been reading through some of the executive orders, and things are going to get crazy pretty fast.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I've been reading through some of the executive orders, and things are going to get crazy pretty fast.

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Like what ?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Like what ?

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Have a browse yourself .. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/

So, all you Trump fanboys - what are your thoughts on his orders?

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Originally Posted by stevo

So, all you Trump fanboys - what are your thoughts on his orders?

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What are yours , most importantly?

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Originally Posted by stevo

So, all you Trump fanboys - what are your thoughts on his orders?

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Federal Work Force
Freeze federal hiring, except for members of the military or “positions related to immigration enforcement, national security, or public safety.”


take your pick.


Restore a category of federal workers known as Schedule F, which would lack the same job protections enjoyed by career civil servants.

Halt new federal rules from going into effect before Trump administration appointees can review them.

Review the investigative actions of the Biden administration, “to correct past misconduct by the federal government related to the weaponization of law enforcement and the weaponization of the intelligence community.”

Grant top secret security clearances to White House staff without going through traditional vetting procedures.

End remote work policies and order federal workers back to the office full time.

Immigration and the Border
Bar asylum for people newly arriving at the southern border.

Move to end birthright citizenship, which is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, for the children of undocumented immigrants. The president cannot change the Constitution on his own, so it is not yet clear how Mr. Trump plans to withhold the benefits of citizenship to a group of people born in the United States. Any move is all but certain to be challenged in court.

Suspend the Refugee Admissions Program “until such time as the further entry into the United States of refugees aligns with the interests of the United States.”


Declare migrant crossings along the U.S.-Mexico border to be a national emergency, allowing Mr. Trump to unilaterally unlock federal funding for border wall construction, without approval from Congress, for stricter enforcement efforts.

Resume a policy requiring people seeking asylum to wait in Mexico while an immigration judge considers their cases.

Consider designating cartels as “foreign terrorist organizations.”

Gender and Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Initiatives
Terminate D.E.I. programs across the federal government.

Recognize two sexes: male and female.

Remove protections for transgender people in federal prisons.

Tariffs and Trade
Direct federal agencies to begin an investigation into trade practices, including persistent trade deficits and unfair currency practices, as well as examine flows of migrants and drugs from Canada, China and Mexico to the United States.

Assess China’s compliance with a trade deal Mr. Trump signed in 2020, as well as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, which Trump signed in 2020 to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Order the government to assess the feasibility of creating an “External Revenue Service” to collect tariffs and duties.

Carry out a full review of the U.S. industrial and manufacturing base to assess whether further national security-related tariffs are warranted.

Energy and the Environment
Withdraw the United States from the Paris Agreement, the pact among almost all nations to fight climate change.

Declare a national energy emergency, a first in U.S. history, which could unlock new powers to suspend certain environmental rules or expedite permitting of certain mining projects.

Attempt to reverse Mr. Biden’s ban on offshore drilling for 625 million acres of federal waters.

Begin the repeal of Biden-era regulations on tailpipe pollution from cars and light trucks, which have encouraged automakers to manufacture more electric vehicles.

Roll back energy-efficiency regulations for dishwashers, shower heads and gas stoves.

Open the Alaska wilderness to more oil and gas drilling.

Restart reviews of new export terminals for liquefied natural gas, something the Biden administration had paused.

Halt the leasing of federal waters for offshore wind farms.

Eliminate environmental justice programs across the government, which are aimed at protecting poor communities from excess pollution.

Review all federal regulations that impose an “undue burden” on the development or use of a variety of energy sources, particularly coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear power, hydropower and biofuels.

TikTok ban
Consult federal agencies on any national security risks posed by the social media platform, then “pursue a resolution that protects national security while saving a platform used by 170 million Americans.” Mr. Trump ordered his attorney general not to enforce a law that banned the site for 75 days to give the Trump administration “an opportunity to determine the appropriate course forward.”

Other
Withdraw from the World Health Organization.

Rename Mount Denali and the Gulf of Mexico.

Ensure that states carrying out the death penalty have a “sufficient supply” of lethal injection drugs.

Fly the American flag at full-staff on Monday and on future Inauguration Days.

Implement the Department of Government Efficiency, the Elon Musk-led cost-cutting initiative.

Revoke security clearances for 51 signers of a letter suggesting that the contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop could be Russian disinformation.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Nobody said they are doing Nazi salutes, you are the only one saying it.

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I’m the only one saying it LOL.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

I’m the only one saying it LOL.

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Why do you think Musk is giving Nazi salutes Ninian?

Oh.... hang on....

Attachment 6408

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Federal Work Force
Freeze federal hiring, except for members of the military or “positions related to immigration enforcement, national security, or public safety.”


take your pick.


Restore a category of federal workers known as Schedule F, which would lack the same job protections enjoyed by career civil servants.

Halt new federal rules from going into effect before Trump administration appointees can review them.

Review the investigative actions of the Biden administration, “to correct past misconduct by the federal government related to the weaponization of law enforcement and the weaponization of the intelligence community.”

Grant top secret security clearances to White House staff without going through traditional vetting procedures.

End remote work policies and order federal workers back to the office full time.

Immigration and the Border
Bar asylum for people newly arriving at the southern border.

Move to end birthright citizenship, which is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, for the children of undocumented immigrants. The president cannot change the Constitution on his own, so it is not yet clear how Mr. Trump plans to withhold the benefits of citizenship to a group of people born in the United States. Any move is all but certain to be challenged in court.

Suspend the Refugee Admissions Program “until such time as the further entry into the United States of refugees aligns with the interests of the United States.”


Declare migrant crossings along the U.S.-Mexico border to be a national emergency, allowing Mr. Trump to unilaterally unlock federal funding for border wall construction, without approval from Congress, for stricter enforcement efforts.

Resume a policy requiring people seeking asylum to wait in Mexico while an immigration judge considers their cases.

Consider designating cartels as “foreign terrorist organizations.”

Gender and Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Initiatives
Terminate D.E.I. programs across the federal government.

Recognize two sexes: male and female.

Remove protections for transgender people in federal prisons.

Tariffs and Trade
Direct federal agencies to begin an investigation into trade practices, including persistent trade deficits and unfair currency practices, as well as examine flows of migrants and drugs from Canada, China and Mexico to the United States.

Assess China’s compliance with a trade deal Mr. Trump signed in 2020, as well as the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, which Trump signed in 2020 to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Order the government to assess the feasibility of creating an “External Revenue Service” to collect tariffs and duties.

Carry out a full review of the U.S. industrial and manufacturing base to assess whether further national security-related tariffs are warranted.

Energy and the Environment
Withdraw the United States from the Paris Agreement, the pact among almost all nations to fight climate change.

Declare a national energy emergency, a first in U.S. history, which could unlock new powers to suspend certain environmental rules or expedite permitting of certain mining projects.

Attempt to reverse Mr. Biden’s ban on offshore drilling for 625 million acres of federal waters.

Begin the repeal of Biden-era regulations on tailpipe pollution from cars and light trucks, which have encouraged automakers to manufacture more electric vehicles.

Roll back energy-efficiency regulations for dishwashers, shower heads and gas stoves.

Open the Alaska wilderness to more oil and gas drilling.

Restart reviews of new export terminals for liquefied natural gas, something the Biden administration had paused.

Halt the leasing of federal waters for offshore wind farms.

Eliminate environmental justice programs across the government, which are aimed at protecting poor communities from excess pollution.

Review all federal regulations that impose an “undue burden” on the development or use of a variety of energy sources, particularly coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear power, hydropower and biofuels.

TikTok ban
Consult federal agencies on any national security risks posed by the social media platform, then “pursue a resolution that protects national security while saving a platform used by 170 million Americans.” Mr. Trump ordered his attorney general not to enforce a law that banned the site for 75 days to give the Trump administration “an opportunity to determine the appropriate course forward.”

Other
Withdraw from the World Health Organization.

Rename Mount Denali and the Gulf of Mexico.

Ensure that states carrying out the death penalty have a “sufficient supply” of lethal injection drugs.

Fly the American flag at full-staff on Monday and on future Inauguration Days.

Implement the Department of Government Efficiency, the Elon Musk-led cost-cutting initiative.

Revoke security clearances for 51 signers of a letter suggesting that the contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop could be Russian disinformation.

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FFS! and kissing the ass of Kim Jong Un while doing it and yap about building condos on the west bank and the coast of N korea. Complete moron

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

I’m the only one saying it LOL.

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Whilst musk is a total **** for doing that salute, is there any reason why you have never called out the apparent nazi regiments in Ukraine , of for that matter even mentioned it even as a passing concern, as it is of grave concern to many, or are you just another virtue signalling contributor to this site ?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Is, for example, Jeremy Corbyn a terrorist sympathising communist then? Plenty of evidence for that and people who would say he is.

No idea who Adrian Dittman is. I'm not sure of any white supremacy stuff?

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The same could be said of Thatcher going by your logic.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Whilst musk is a total **** for doing that salute, is there any reason why you have never called out the apparent nazi regiments in Ukraine , of for that matter even mentioned it even as a passing concern, as it is of grave concern to many, or are you just another virtue signalling contributor to this site ?

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Maybe because to call everything that is bad in the world would require posting all day every day until the end of human existence?

You can support Ukraine's 'right to exist' (to coin a phrase) without deluding yourself into thinking everyone there is a great person.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It looks like he is trying to do Superman, but I don't want to spoil a good Musk is a Nazi story.

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I don't for one minute believe that's what you think.

I saw an interesting cartoon the other day. It was a dying body called racism and a few left-wing people were around it giving it CPR.

There's some truth in that cartoon isn't there?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I saw an interesting cartoon the other day. It was a dying body called racism and a few left-wing people were around it giving it CPR.

There's some truth in that cartoon isn't there?

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No

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Maybe because to call everything that is bad in the world would require posting all day every day until the end of human existence?

You can support Ukraine's 'right to exist' (to coin a phrase) without deluding yourself into thinking everyone there is a great person.

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Sounds like you’re playing it down as it doesn’t suit the agenda, despite it being well documented on previous news reports.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

No

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Hmm, not so sure on that.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Sounds like you’re playing it down as it doesn’t suit the agenda, despite it being well documented on previous news reports.

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What is the agenda?