"I'm convinced that death is not the end for us whatever happens after that"

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Originally Posted by stevo

I was going to ask you a similar question. How do you think the pyramids were built? How is there staggering similarity in ancient buildings and artifacts that span the globe? How did they make these things thousands of years ago that we'd struggle to achieve today?

Where does Gobleki Tepe fit in with your history and narrative?

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Well firstly I don't think you are wasting your time just because you are brave enough to seek answers, however peculiar things seem to be; imagine someone from 1940 who had never seen a black & white TV suddenly seeing you produce an iPad out of your bag and Facetiming with someone in Sydney, watching live sport in colour, Multiple Movies by touching glass, Video games etc etc.
The experience would probably shock them to the core and possibly terrify them too. So reality can be way beyond our understanding, even human capabilities spanning 80+ years.

I think the pyramids across the world and many other unexplained structures are probably the result of non-human intelligence. The same intelligence that owns the thoughts of the 'hangers on' to this and other dialogues across this board, and usually leaves them spitting blood and protesting without any counter position or idea why spiritual things sometimes annoy them so much!
These creatures have thousands of years experience and know how to manipulate individuals and nations as they did so quickly in the late 1800's when many key major and satanic artifacts were moved from Turkey and Iraq to Germany. Around the same time (1889) a certain Austrian was born and 40 years later he took his place on the world stage, being used as a puppet to delete the race that was the actual target of those powers.

The evidence of these creatures taking on flesh at various times including the era of the pyramids is painted on the walls of those structures, as we have already seen in these discussions. What you have to do is examine the credibility of your sources, because this scenario is given in sufficient detail in the Bible, and without error.

With respect, I think the rest of this board (apart from Gofer Blue) would agree with me in saying alien involvement in ancient civilizations is a much more likely explanation than angel or demonic involvement.

I had a colleague once, who thought like you. She believed every word of the Bible and made jibes about my catholic upbringing. She also believed that planet Earth is about 6000 years old. I asked her - what about all the dinosaur bones? She said, oh the devil put them there. Interesting side story - years later, she left her job to pursue a degree in theology. By the end of those three years, she converted to Catholicism.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well firstly I don't think you are wasting your time just because you are brave enough to seek answers, however peculiar things seem to be; imagine someone from 1940 who had never seen a black & white TV suddenly seeing you produce an iPad out of your bag and Facetiming with someone in Sydney, watching live sport in colour, Multiple Movies by touching glass, Video games etc etc.
The experience would probably shock them to the core and possibly terrify them too. So reality can be way beyond our understanding, even human capabilities spanning 80+ years.

I think the pyramids across the world and many other unexplained structures are probably the result of non-human intelligence. The same intelligence that owns the thoughts of the 'hangers on' to this and other dialogues across this board, and usually leaves them spitting blood and protesting without any counter position or idea why spiritual things sometimes annoy them so much!
These creatures have thousands of years experience and know how to manipulate individuals and nations as they did so quickly in the late 1800's when many key major and satanic artifacts were moved from Turkey and Iraq to Germany. Around the same time (1889) a certain Austrian was born and 40 years later he took his place on the world stage, being used as a puppet to delete the race that was the actual target of those powers.

The evidence of these creatures taking on flesh at various times including the era of the pyramids is painted on the walls of those structures, as we have already seen in these discussions. What you have to do is examine the credibility of your sources, because this scenario is given in sufficient detail in the Bible, and without error.

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In the book again,no real truth at all.

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Originally Posted by stevo

With respect, I think the rest of this board (apart from Gofer Blue) would agree with me in saying alien involvement in ancient civilizations is a much more likely explanation than angel or demonic involvement.

I had a colleague once, who thought like you. She believed every word of the Bible and made jibes about my catholic upbringing. She also believed that planet Earth is about 6000 years old. I asked her - what about all the dinosaur bones? She said, oh the devil put them there. Interesting side story - years later, she left her job to pursue a degree in theology. By the end of those three years, she converted to Catholicism.

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1. If you are seeking affirmation from the rest of this board then you are in as much trouble as watching someone who walks into Catholicism for enlightenment, although most secular degrees in theology in the UK would have that impact.

2. While she still wouldn't have an answer for you re the dinosaur bones, are you seriously saying that you've not spoken to anyone who actually understands the Bible who can give you an answer to such a simple question?

3. The fact that you had a Catholic upbringing (which usually leads to atheism in the majority of cases) and are now placing your hope in youtube videos about aliens, without (currently) verifying the sources speaks volumes for the vatican.

And no, she didn't believe every word of the Bible as she first would have needed to understand what she was reading!

Clue: it doesn't talk about the devil planting fake bones :hehe:

Please enlighten us then. I remember in the book of Genesis, it talks something about replenishing the Earth, a sort of out with the old, in with the new type of approach. Is that what you're referring to? Because that doesn't really explain the existence of dinosaur bones that are millions of years old.

https://youtu.be/_XW8uCo7eiA?si=VJbRg2OiESiim1fE

I think God put YOU here to test MY faith ��

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

https://youtu.be/_XW8uCo7eiA?si=VJbRg2OiESiim1fE

I think God put YOU here to test MY faith ��

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Your faith is well known Sludge, along with the god who sends you to spam discussions like this. Also, it can't stand up to any robust testing, which is why all you are left with are insults for those who would dare to disagree.

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Originally Posted by stevo

Please enlighten us then. I remember in the book of Genesis, it talks something about replenishing the Earth, a sort of out with the old, in with the new type of approach. Is that what you're referring to? Because that doesn't really explain the existence of dinosaur bones that are millions of years old.

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Well firstly recent history (post 2019) should have taught you that 'following the science' is no guarantee of getting things right; sure science has made some amazing discoveries, but that doesn't mean that all it does is at that same high level.
A £200M striker can still miss a penalty or fall over the ball when it seems easier to score an open goal.

The dating of bones isn't done from the bones but from the rocks surrounding the actual bones; so if the dating of the rocks are way off, then so will the suggested dating of the bones in it.
Around 20 years ago there was a discovery of the bones of a t-rex where the femur was recently broken. When the femur was examined, then soft tissue and red blood cells were discovered inside! - dinosaur soft tissue problem - if you prefer sources that are non-Christian and perfectly sludged (no divine words or people who know Him) then look HERE.

The secular article concludes with "Large land animals like dinosaurs, however, would have to suffer a rare catastrophic burial -- such as death by landslide".

I wonder what would cause a sudden burial of large creatures in a catastrophic event! Any thoughts Stevo?

Well, no doubt you're referring to the great flood, which of course is one theory. There are others such as an asteroid strike. But science isn't always right, that's just the nature of it. But I don't know what it is you have against scientists. They're not all out to prove the non-existence of God. I'm sure you're aware of many scientists who do believe in a deity of some kind.

If science one day points evidence towards the existence of God, then scientists will apply the scientific method and accept whatever it tells them.

You still haven't told me what the Bible has to say to prove dinosaurs either didn't exist or if they did, it was not that long ago.

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Originally Posted by stevo

Well, no doubt you're referring to the great flood, which of course is one theory. There are others such as an asteroid strike. But science isn't always right, that's just the nature of it. But I don't know what it is you have against scientists. They're not all out to prove the non-existence of God. I'm sure you're aware of many scientists who do believe in a deity of some kind.

If science one day points evidence towards the existence of God, then scientists will apply the scientific method and accept whatever it tells them.

You still haven't told me what the Bible has to say to prove dinosaurs either didn't exist or if they did, it was not that long ago.

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As asteroid strike would not cause there to be a worldwide flood, mainly because it would not bring to the surface all the waters of the deep that were a massive part of why the entire world flooded and why many animals were caught in a sudden deep layer of mud in all parts of the planet.

Yes, many scientists do believe in a deity, and many of them work at the top of their field in science while also rejecting the idea of evolution and have no problem accepting God's version of events.

As for the lie that dinosaurs are not in the Bible, then you need to understand that prior to the word 'dinosaur' being invented in the 1800's they were referred to in literature and many historical records as dragons. The Bible was translated into English in the 1500's and 1600's, so like all literature it also mentions dragons, in fact no no less than 37 times!

In fact, there is evidence that people knew exactly what dinosaurs looked like long before the first skeletons were carefully excavated; firstly consider this:

In the early 1800s a number of fossil discoveries were made in southern England. These included Megalosaurus, which was described by William Buckland in 1824, and Iguanodon and Hylaeosaurus, which were described by Gideon Mantell in 1825 and 1833 respectively. These were the FIRST discoveries of Dinosaur bones enabling people to see what they looked like!

That's no more than 200 years ago - now look at this ARTICLE re a grave (again in England) that is over 500 years old.

How would this artist have known in 1496AD what dinosaurs looked like unless he had seen one?

So dinosaurs were walking around England in the late 15th century?

The gift that keeps on giving! :hehe: :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

So dinosaurs were walking around England in the late 15th century?

The gift that keeps on giving! :hehe: :hehe:

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Well worked out with the maths, what a shame for you your only lens on the world didn't publish until 1821.

While your rag did report on the 1824 discovery, they obviously didn't cover the Carlisle Cathedral story so as usual you have no answer to what you obviously believe is an impossibility!

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well worked out with the maths, what a shame for you your only lens on the world didn't publish until 1821.

While your rag did report on the 1824 discovery, they obviously didn't cover the Carlisle Cathedral story so as usual you have no answer to what you obviously believe is an impossibility!

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And giving!

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I'm praying you'll get answers to the big questions soon Jon, and it won't continue to be a complete blank for you.

In the meantime I can see you are busy putting the world (that you can see) right as best you can, and mocking anyone who even suggests there is anything beyond the scope of the average broadsheet.
Enjoy your weekend.

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Originally Posted by stevo

With respect, I think the rest of this board (apart from Gofer Blue) would agree with me in saying alien involvement in ancient civilizations is a much more likely explanation than angel or demonic involvement.

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Angels are by definition heavenly beings and thus could be classified as aliens anyway, hence rendering your proposition null and void. Whether they were involved in building pyramids or whatever I have no idea, in fact I have no interest whatsoever! It is irrelevant to my Christian faith.

Same goes for dinosaurs. I care not whether they were around 500 years ago or were extinct by then. How does their existence influence Christianity i.e. faith in Jesus Christ? If you disagree please find me a reference in the Bible.

https://youtu.be/S3Zqrsg7D9E?si=yfIupXbfB48L9ul8

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Same goes for dinosaurs. I care not whether they were around 500 years ago or were extinct by then. How does their existence influence Christianity i.e. faith in Jesus Christ? If you disagree please find me a reference in the Bible.

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It doesn’t. But a lot of Christians believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old. That’s what I’m challenging by asking where dinosaurs fit into that theory.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Angels are by definition heavenly beings and thus could be classified as aliens anyway, hence rendering your proposition null and void. Whether they were involved in building pyramids or whatever I have no idea, in fact I have no interest whatsoever! It is irrelevant to my Christian faith.

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Do you only have interests that are relevant to your faith? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t be following the city. But if people think humans built the pyramids and the artifacts from that time, then they are laughably wrong. I’m bringing it to the conversation because I think it backs up my theories more than Christianity.

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Originally Posted by stevo

It doesn’t. But a lot of Christians believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old. That’s what I’m challenging by asking where dinosaurs fit into that theory.

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It doesn't matter to me if the Earth is 6000 years old or 4.5 billion years old or when the dinosaurs died out as neither has any influence on my Christian belief. Try arguing these topics with an orphaned child in Gaza or a mother who has been raped by rebel soldiers in front of her children in Sudan or a Ukranian wife who has just been widowed, I'm sure they would really concerned about such matters.

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Originally Posted by stevo

Do you only have interests that are relevant to your faith? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t be following the city. But if people think humans built the pyramids and the artifacts from that time, then they are laughably wrong. I’m bringing it to the conversation because I think it backs up my theories more than Christianity.

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You are trying to connect some of the things that interest YOU to my faith. Of course I have other interests such as following the City, family history research etc. but these have no relevance to, or conflict with, my Christian faith. I read some of Von Daniken's stuff many years ago (1970's?) and some of it was quite intriguing I admit but hardly makes a speck on my radar today. What difference does such knowledge make to today, when the world is in the proverbial handcart to hell.

Jeez, what’s got you in a tizz today? You come across very angry. I’m just trying to have a grown up conversation with Truthpaste and you come in all guns blazing. Hope you have a better day tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by stevo

Jeez, what’s got you in a tizz today? You come across very angry. I’m just trying to have a grown up conversation with Truthpaste and you come in all guns blazing. Hope you have a better day tomorrow.

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I'm not angry, just tired of all these diversions which to me are irrelevant to Christianity or indeed the world situation today. I'll leave you in TP's capable hands (I admire his tenacity!) and hopefully you'll get some answers there. If you have questions relating specifically to my personal Christian faith i.e. the person of Jesus, his life, his teachings, his death and resurrection of course I'll try to answer them, but as far as dinosaurs and pyramids are concerned, in those famous words from Dragons' Den, I'm out.

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Originally Posted by stevo

I’m bringing it to the conversation because I think it backs up my theories more than Christianity.

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Given that these videos say a lot of random things which may or may not be connected to your theories, would you be kind enough to summarize your theories into a few bullet points so I can see what you are thinking? Many thanks.

So you know where I am; which is the testimony of God in the Bible then here it is:-

1. We are each Spirit, Soul & Body.
2. The Spirit & Soul cannot be destroyed or cease to exist, they are eternal.
3. This body obviously will return to the earth and only serves a purpose for our brief 'moment' in time.
4. We all have a bigger problem than physical death, and that is the plight of our soul.
5. Securing eternal safety for our soul can only be via God's rescue Plan and becoming religious, moral or 'good' will fail.
6. God has a plan for YOUR Life, don't wait until it's too late to find out what that plan is!

"One man who was clinically dead; then brought back to life accurately described what had been happening in the room"

Science can't explain the three minutes of awareness beyond the brain shutting down in this and many other cases:

Speaking to The Telegraph about the evidence provided by a 57-year-old social worker Southampton, Dr Parnia said: “We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating.

“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes.

“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”

The INDEPENDENT

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"One man who was clinically dead; then brought back to life accurately described what had been happening in the room"

Science can't explain the three minutes of awareness beyond the brain shutting down in this and many other cases:

Speaking to The Telegraph about the evidence provided by a 57-year-old social worker Southampton, Dr Parnia said: “We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating.

“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes.

“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”

The INDEPENDENT

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I find it hugely tiresome when people make statements such as 'science can't explain' something.
Science is about knowledge and there are many scientific phenomena to be discovered yet.
Science is not a religious and immovable dogma despite many religious people trying to paint it as such.
Some scientists guess things wrongly, good scientists doubt their own findings, some may even be fraudulent - but all reputable scientists as far as I know declare that their knowledge is imperfect and there is always far more to be found out and to change their minds.
It is the antithesis of religion.

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I find it hugely tiresome when people make statements such as 'science can't explain' something.
Science is about knowledge and there are many scientific phenomena to be discovered yet.
Science is not a religious and immovable dogma despite many religious people trying to paint it as such.
Some scientists guess things wrongly, good scientists doubt their own findings, some may even be fraudulent - but all reputable scientists as far as I know declare that their knowledge is imperfect and there is always far more to be found out and to change their minds.
It is the antithesis of religion.

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If only scientific announcements came with the clarity and honesty you describe, if they did then way less people here (and elsewhere) would be convinced about things such as macro evolution.
Yet if we were to take your usual word 'religion' (which is full of futile man-made ideas similar to many parts of science) out of the mix and replace it with The Bible, then what you suggest re it being the antithesis of the Bible is a nonsense.
Oceanography for example was only discovered because Matthew Fontaine Maury first *read about the 'pathways of the sea' in the Bible!

So while you may wish the Bible to be an irrelevant book that doesn't have anything significant to say to mankind, the reality is certainly very different.

* At one time, when Commodore Maury was very sick, he asked one of his daughters to get the Bible and read to him. She chose Psalm 8, the eighth verse of which speaks of “whatsoever walketh through the paths of the sea.” He repeated, “The paths of the sea, the paths of the sea. If God says the paths of the sea, they are there, and if I ever get out of this bed I will find them.”

When Maury recovered, he set out to discover the “paths of the sea.” As well, he was inspired by Ecclesiastic 1:6:

The wind blows to the south and goes around to the north; around and around goes the wind, and on its circuits the wind returns.

He concluded that in certain places, the wind might blow predominantly from one direction which would be a significant advantage for sailing ships if they knew it.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I find it hugely tiresome when people make statements such as 'science can't explain' something.
Science is about knowledge and there are many scientific phenomena to be discovered yet.
Science is not a religious and immovable dogma despite many religious people trying to paint it as such.
Some scientists guess things wrongly, good scientists doubt their own findings, some may even be fraudulent - but all reputable scientists as far as I know declare that their knowledge is imperfect and there is always far more to be found out and to change their minds.
It is the antithesis of religion.

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As a scientist myself I agree with you especially the sentences in red but what more information can we find out about Jesus Christ that might enable me to change my mind? He is not a repeatable scientific experiment!

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

As a scientist myself I agree with you especially the sentences in red but what more information can we find out about Jesus Christ that might enable me to change my mind? He is not a repeatable scientific experiment!

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I think that the boot is on the other foot in that the majority of the population of the world do not consider there to be sufficient evidence to believe in your particular deity. And those that do assign a totally different role to that of Jesus.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

As a scientist myself I agree with you especially the sentences in red but what more information can we find out about Jesus Christ that might enable me to change my mind? He is not a repeatable scientific experiment!

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Why do you think that only a minority of scientists believe in Christianity?

The CIA concluded decades ago that consciousness and the human body are two separate things. This document from 1983 (declassified in 2003) is a highly-recommended read. These findings can be backed up by our current understanding of quantum physics.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs...00210016-5.pdf

This in part answers Truthpaste's question above regarding "my" theories and the video link I posted.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Why do you think that only a minority of scientists believe in Christianity?

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Christians don't believe in Christianity, they have a relationship with Christ Jesus and completely trust in Him.
I can believe in marriage and stay single all my life, think about what you are saying.
As for scientists, yes a minority of them know and love the Lord as Gofer and I do, what is your point?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Christians don't believe in Christianity, they have a relationship with Christ Jesus and completely trust in Him.
I can believe in marriage and stay single all my life, think about what you are saying.
As for scientists, yes a minority of them know and love the Lord as Gofer and I do, what is your point?

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My questions were for Gofer not you.

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Why do you think that only a minority of scientists believe in Christianity?

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How do you define a minority in this context? There are so many stats available on the Internet I find it impossible to find a consensus.

IMO I suspect only a very small minority of the whole U.K. population believe in Jesus Christ but again impossible to quantify exactly. I wouldn't expect the majority to do so as in these times where truth is optional following Jesus is far too great a challenge – best to ignore him and do your own thing.

I think I've read that around 5% of the population attend churches regularly and if only half of those actually believe in Jesus (i.e. “true” Christians with all that that entails) then that's 2.5% of the population, a very small minority indeed*

Hence it should not be surprising if only a similarly small minority of scientists believe in Jesus. That does not make them wrong of course – it's perfectly possible that the other 97.5% are wrong! Also I do wonder if some scientists have a faith but are loath to express it out of fear that their status in the scientific community would be diminished if the bulk of their peers are atheists and only too ready to resort to ridicule? (Although I suspect this would not be the case for Muslim scientists of course!).

The usual popular answer of course is that scientists (and Sludge Factory) possess superior intelligence which therefore precludes them from matters of faith. Try that argument with Prof. John Lennox, professor of mathematics!

You surely know my stance by now and I am only replying to you out of courtesy as you asked me the question directly. I have been faithful in sharing my faith with you and others but, as even Jesus said, there comes a time to say take it or leave it, shake the dust off your shoes, and move on!

*Interestingly stats are usually based on info from the Church of England, a denomination which is shrinking fast in terms of numbers whereas the newer, shall we say “free churches” such as the one I attend, are increasing in membership numbers. I believe this is due to going back to the basics of Christianity and not compromising by adopting the latest social trends.

The more intelligent humans are , the less likely they are to believe in God, christ , miracles etc

Is it any surprise that 94 percent of scientific people .....a broad definition of course but it's been used often ....do not believe

And at the other end of the scale the less educated often flock ...sic ....to some sort of faith , religion , guru etc ?

It doesn't surprise me at all

Whilst science isn't perfect experiments , facts and evidence can PROVE .....beyond most peoples doubt that if this and this happens or if you mix this with that you get this etc etc

Wheras those that BELIEVE or have FAITH in God cannot provide , when asked , simple , irrefutable EVIDENCE that their faith ....is fact

When I ask a scientist what happens when Iron is mixed with acid he can say .....there will be a heat reaction.......and he can prove this by mixing iron pieces with sulphuric acid .....in front of me ......and show me the bubbles......direct evidence

When a normal person ......maybe a scientist .....asks a person who believes in God to prove that this person exists then over thousands of years these people either make things up , quote something from their holy book or go round and round in circles , providing nothing

Its fine to have faith but faith isn't evidence

If I go to a doctor and he says take these tablets they will stop your headaches I want PROOF they will work .......if he says I believe they will work then I am not going to take them

As a scientist he would be able to provide that evidence

Christians want us to believe in their medicine and tablets and way of life so we can also get eternal life and meet God etc etc

But when we ask for evidence of this God there is absolutely nothing they can offer

This thread is just like all the rest , it's so tedious

I am glad I rejected all this nonsense at 13 , I find it almost laughable that people are grown adults and waste time on it

If there's a God he will let people in as long as we are not like Hitler or Harold Shipman both who were God types

If there isn't a God, and there isn't, no problem , it's all been a waste

Amen

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How do you define a minority in this context? There are so many stats available on the Internet I find it impossible to find a consensus.

IMO I suspect only a very small minority of the whole U.K. population believe in Jesus Christ but again impossible to quantify exactly. I wouldn't expect the majority to do so as in these times where truth is optional following Jesus is far too great a challenge – best to ignore him and do your own thing.

I think I've read that around 5% of the population attend churches regularly and if only half of those actually believe in Jesus (i.e. “true” Christians with all that that entails) then that's 2.5% of the population, a very small minority indeed*

Hence it should not be surprising if only a similarly small minority of scientists believe in Jesus. That does not make them wrong of course – it's perfectly possible that the other 97.5% are wrong! Also I do wonder if some scientists have a faith but are loath to express it out of fear that their status in the scientific community would be diminished if the bulk of their peers are atheists and only too ready to resort to ridicule? (Although I suspect this would not be the case for Muslim scientists of course!).

The usual popular answer of course is that scientists (and Sludge Factory) possess superior intelligence which therefore precludes them from matters of faith. Try that argument with Prof. John Lennox, professor of mathematics!

You surely know my stance by now and I am only replying to you out of courtesy as you asked me the question directly. I have been faithful in sharing my faith with you and others but, as even Jesus said, there comes a time to say take it or leave it, shake the dust off your shoes, and move on!

*Interestingly stats are usually based on info from the Church of England, a denomination which is shrinking fast in terms of numbers whereas the newer, shall we say “free churches” such as the one I attend, are increasing in membership numbers. I believe this is due to going back to the basics of Christianity and not compromising by adopting the latest social trends.

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Prof John Lennox is almost hero worshipped by Christians as he's one of the only apparently intelligent Christians out there

Those that link to his views , his books and his clash with Dawkins....one of hundreds of atheist commentators out there .....are Christians......

If you watch the debate from outside the walls it's just two people arguing each other to sleep


You really have to do better than that

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

How do you define a minority in this context? There are so many stats available on the Internet I find it impossible to find a consensus.

IMO I suspect only a very small minority of the whole U.K. population believe in Jesus Christ but again impossible to quantify exactly. I wouldn't expect the majority to do so as in these times where truth is optional following Jesus is far too great a challenge – best to ignore him and do your own thing.

I think I've read that around 5% of the population attend churches regularly and if only half of those actually believe in Jesus (i.e. “true” Christians with all that that entails) then that's 2.5% of the population, a very small minority indeed*

Hence it should not be surprising if only a similarly small minority of scientists believe in Jesus. That does not make them wrong of course – it's perfectly possible that the other 97.5% are wrong! Also I do wonder if some scientists have a faith but are loath to express it out of fear that their status in the scientific community would be diminished if the bulk of their peers are atheists and only too ready to resort to ridicule? (Although I suspect this would not be the case for Muslim scientists of course!).

The usual popular answer of course is that scientists (and Sludge Factory) possess superior intelligence which therefore precludes them from matters of faith. Try that argument with Prof. John Lennox, professor of mathematics!

You surely know my stance by now and I am only replying to you out of courtesy as you asked me the question directly. I have been faithful in sharing my faith with you and others but, as even Jesus said, there comes a time to say take it or leave it, shake the dust off your shoes, and move on!

*Interestingly stats are usually based on info from the Church of England, a denomination which is shrinking fast in terms of numbers whereas the newer, shall we say “free churches” such as the one I attend, are increasing in membership numbers. I believe this is due to going back to the basics of Christianity and not compromising by adopting the latest social trends.

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I was referring to the global population and not just the UK but thanks for your civil reply. You are easy to communicate with, always polite and I respect your point of view even though I see all religions as man-made and lacking in any real evidence of their veracity.
Enjoy your day, Gofer.

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You really have to do better than that

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So what ARE you actually looking for Sludge that would cause you to really start valuing your soul above everything else?

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So what ARE you actually looking for Sludge that would cause you to really start valuing your soul above everything else?

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A sexy woman with her own place who is happy to pop over a couple of days a week but not on a Saturday or if I am going fishing

That's it