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If Bulut got that squad to 12th, we should be top ten on paper, but football is not like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
We had a tough set of fixtures and a terrible start and that shaped the season. Then we sacked a Manager, took forever to replace him with a learn as you play YTS apprentice.
He's learning though slowly and we have a decent squad so should be OK.
there's barely any difference between any of the sides in the bottom half of the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
a lucky break here or there, or a good run of form for a few days is probably all that separates any of us.
agree tho you could say for most of the league not much in it from bottom to 7'th placed Brizzle City at presentQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
the top 6 are pretty much what i thought it would be even though it took a huge effort from Coventry . think Middlesborough will make it at the expense of West Brom .
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ex...y-county-move/
Cardiff City's head of recruitment Patrick Deboys is in talks to join Derby County as the club's director of sport, sources have exclusively told Football League World.
The 31-year-old has been working as the Bluebirds' head of recruitment since the spring of 2023, taking over the reins from Kevin Beadell.
Jumping ship for a better job or because changes are coming and Deboys was going to be out?
And this so soon after the WOL piece uncritically building him up as a transfer genius and innovator.
(Enjoy the table where Kanga is supposed to have got a player rating of 5.9 over 15 appearances! Comedy gold.)
An interesting question.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Don't think I'd be too happy with this given his track record with us if I was a Derby fan.
A machiavellian plot by WOL to bring about his departure perhaps? 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
That was his total over the 15 games, not an average. Also coincidentally the number of times he ran over the 15 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
That last piece says he's been here for ten years! That means he's been involved in our fall from the first premier season and around for all the junk Warnock signed second relegation
So practically a complete failure
:hehe: All is forgiven. I wonder how we'll cope without having the mastermind behind such hits as Jesper Daland, Roko Simic, Famara Diedhiou and Wilfried KangaQuote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
he would have been a young data analyst when he was first here, I can't imagine that Warnock paid him any attention at allQuote:
Originally Posted by fugsyphil
Wales online have it https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...gn=communities
This years young signings and loans have mostly been an improvement, although we are now lacking experienced leaders on the pitch.
RamseyQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Ralls
Chambers
Goutas
NG
O Dowda
El Ghazi
Robinson
Rhino
To name a few.
Plenty of experience and leaders within the squad. It’s hardly the days of Mad Mick having to fill the first team dressing room with under 21 players.
Older players but not leaders in the Morrison, Purse, Hudson, Marshall or Gunnarrson mold, maybe Ramsey but he's a quieter style, and Chambers could develop into a leader possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Hill
With good reason :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Agreed, the tone for 17/18 was set by us winning our first five games, the tone for this season was set by one point from our first seven games - we were always going to be down near the bottom of the table for the duration after that because all you’re doing during your good runs is trying to make up lost ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
You will never accept that for 6 months of last season we weren't close to top half form and that we only finished 12th because of the good start we made. Once you realise this, the rest fits into place. Fortunate to finish 12th, the slump at the start of the season was expected, not just because of the opposition, but because we were garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Ramsey has been credited as lifting standards, Ralls is spoken about by Peltier and Morrison (and your best mate Bulut) as a proper leader, Morrison also spoke at what a big influence Robinson is.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
We've got experience, we've got youth, we've got 25 year olds. We're not very good as only a handful of the last 26 signings Deboys has made has actually improved the first XI
What is noticeable about the run at the start of the 17/18 season is that two of those games were against Wolves and Villa, two other sides who finishes in the top 4. We played both of those off the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The tone was set this season by the opening games, but it could also be added that, instead of those defeats showing signs of promise, we looked every bit a side heading for the drop. It wasn't just the points deficit that was a problem - it was performances, mindset, all of which were wrong. I look back on those games and think we'd have struggled.to get anything from those if we'd have played most of the bottom half. I dread to think how bad things would be now if Bulut had been given a few more games to save himself.
If the squad was good enough though we'd have climbed the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Weren't Forest rooted to the bottom when Cooper came in.?
The issue is a weak squad , weak managerial set up and appalling decision making yet again by those running the club.
It's a big if but if we can survive we have a group of decent young players.
If we can improve the managerial set up and replace a number of the senior pros at the club with better quality. - Goutas , Rino , Chambers , El Ghazi , Turnbull , Willock- then I think we can have a decent future.
Yes, that's it in a nutshell. Better players, better manager. Simple, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Some think the squad is ok and it's the manager's fault, but does anyone think a Steve Cooper-esque boss would have had us in the top half? Not a chance.
It’s an unknown though, would a different manager played the same players, same formation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Would he have been able to motivate the current squad any better?
Would we have seen more youngsters given a chance sooner?
Would he have been working on the training ground on better defensive tactics?
Would he have settled for a draw rather than go all out to win the game on Saturday?
We don’t know, my view is that not too many other clubs went for the option of employing a manager who had a CV that read played 7 lost 5 at Orient and subsequently saw them relegated
Or employing a forward coach who his last club let him go in March
I get that everyone has to start somewhere, but imho, this job needs a manager who has been a success, with experience
It’s only an opinion, not a fact!
And where would this hypothetical manager get this squad? Playoffs?Quote:
Originally Posted by olderblue
I'll ask you a question: do you believe the squads at Millwall, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Swansea or Preston are any better than ours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Our squad is a mixture of below average [Championship standard] players, and average standard players. Fundamentally a squad like that is going to struggle with any manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I have no idea. I do know that our form has been virtually the same as Swansea, Preston and QPR since Bulut was sacked. I also didn't realise we're 8th top scorers in the Championship since Bulut was booted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
What I do believe is that we have a woeful defence that keeps making cock ups and consists of players I doubt would interest many Championship clubs and, for a number of improvements made over the last few months, it's our defensive frailty that keeps being a problem. I don't see a Warnock-type manager coming in and suddenly making our back 4 lots stronger, simply because of the players we have. I don't know if the clubs you mention have worse defenders than us, but 130 goals conceded in 2 seasons kind of demonstrates a big problem.
The perfect scenario in which a novice management and coaching set-up should thrive, obviously...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
The season so far can be split into five distinct segments:
0 wins in 7 games
4 wins in 6 games
0 wins in 9 games
3 wins in 7 games
1 win in 7 games
I'm not sure what shows us exactly, but I do think it gives lie to the idea that the awful start to the campaign is the main reason for our current league position.
I don’t know, but I think it’s likely that we would be in a better position than 4 wins in 23 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
OK I know we have some experience you think they are leaders like Morrison, Hudson, Marshall and Gunnarson do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Fair enough we can disagree.
I accept all that, and that we finished 12th with a weaker squad over a full season, can you? :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Yes a tough start, some said it was standard fixtures :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
He would have been miles better, everyone knows that :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Mid-table plus, even after a bad start, and then playoffs next season would be a reasonable expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
We leak goals like a sieve, and a decent manager would sort that out in the first training session. Can't you remember what Warnock did in a few weeks?
It means if we get a tough set of fixtures, like the first six against teams in the top half, (at the time) we lose most and draw a few. It also means we are a confidence team that go on terrible and OK runs and that we lack leadership on the pitch and probably in the dug out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It cannot be denied that, if we'd got 6 more points from those opening 7 games, we would be breathing a little more easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Ok. I'm not convinced. Convince meQuote:
Originally Posted by olderblue
Pass me the details of your supplier.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
It also cannot be denied that if we'd got six or even four morepoints at any other stage of the season we'd be comfortable. That 9-game run between 06/11 and 26/12 was particularly abysmal, and included defeats to Luton (A), QPR (H), Preston (H) and Oxford (A). Really poor form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I'm not denying that. While I'm on the fence regarding Riza, and I know you've never wanted him in charge from the start, so our opinions will differ, our overall form under Riza should see us survive relatively comfortably. To lumber him with Bulut's start would be unfair. Riza was lucky to survive after that defeat to Oxford but, since then, we're 14th in the form table, that's with us throwing away too many points from winning positions. 4 wins is disappointing, but 4 defeats in 14 is more than reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
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Originally Posted by olderblue
Nothing to convince anyone about anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
You believe it’s a poor squad, I think it has poor players in the squad and is capable of better
I don’t think we have the right coaching set up, and you’re on the fence
I will say I love the way you put stats and stuff out, it must take an age and I always look forward to reading anything about the City, so fair play to you
I have a view that a Nathan Jones type of coach would have been a better choice
Experience and a successful track record
Is it a fact, definitely not, but I do know that while I’m getting ready to go down tonight it’s with a hope that we win, and a concern for the future if we don’t
In reality we should never be that concerned when playing a team with such a poor away record as Luton
Looks like Deboys isn't off to Derby after all https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/jo...atrick-deboys/