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  1. #26

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    24/25 summer window:

    Callum Chambers -Very Good
    Jesper Daland - good and still young
    Anwar El Ghazi - OK
    Will Fish - Good and still young
    Wilfried Kanga (loan) - Terrible but only a loan and binned already
    Alex Robertson - Very Good and only Young
    Roko Simic - poor
    Chris Willock - Not bad and only a loan

    24/25 winter window:

    Will Alves (loan) - Good loan
    Sivert Mannsverk (loan) - Very good loan
    Yousef Salech - Very good and will improve

    Was he fully responsible for last year or was he appointed late with insufficient time to influence?

    This year looks very good to me, although we are seeing the best of them. There are a lot of young players, and it's tough when they find themselves thrown into a relegation battle with all the extra pressure.
    willock isn't a loan.
    I don't think El Ghazi has been as good as OK for the wages we're probably paying him.

    Simic early days to write him off yet.

    Deboys has been with the club for years also. so he's been a part of previous recruitment strategies to some degree

  2. #27

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    The last fella left in the summer of 2023...
    Andrii Fedchenkov [Head of Scouting] left last month.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/key-figure-centre-cardiff-citys-30956451

    StT.
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  3. #28

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    while neither the Willock or El Ghazi signings have given us the return we probably would have expected, I think they were both fine from a recruitment point of view.

    willock had shown he was a decent player at this level.
    El Ghazi was a bit of a gamble having been out of the game for so long, but if it had paid off we'd have got a premier League quality senior player, which isn't an opportunity that championship clubs have too often.
    I think they were both worth a go, but with their ages and profile they should be leading players for us, and they just haven't.

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    willock isn't a loan.
    I don't think El Ghazi has been as good as OK for the wages we're probably paying him.

    Simic early days to write him off yet.

    Deboys has been with the club for years also. so he's been a part of previous recruitment strategies to some degree
    I'd forgotten we bought him, but doesn't it say they've gone a new way since him, so before was down to the previous guy making the decisions, that would be a bit like blaming a coach for a manager's bad performance.

    El Ghazi has been OK sometimes and I didn't see any complaints on here when we signed him, he's underperforming, and as you day early days for Simic but he has been poor too.

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    I'd forgotten we bought him, but doesn't it say they've gone a new way since him, so before was down to the previous guy making the decisions, that would be a bit like blaming a coach for a manager's bad performance.

    El Ghazi has been OK sometimes and I didn't see any complaints on here when we signed him, he's underperforming, and as you day early days for Simic but he has been poor too.
    There was no complaints on here because we're just going on his name and reputation. They as a professional organisation should be doing far more and if they had done their jobs properly they shouldn't have signed him.

  6. #31

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad View Post
    There was no complaints on here because we're just going on his name and reputation. They as a professional organisation should be doing far more and if they had done their jobs properly they shouldn't have signed him.
    it's very easy to say that in hindsight, but at the point we signed him it seemed worth a punt.
    there's an element of risk with any signing, and I'm not sure what the recruitment department would have been basing any judgement on as the guy hadn't been playing.

    if it has come off and we had a premier league quality player on a free it would have been a masterstroke.
    as it is he's not been awful, just not what we all expected.

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad View Post
    There was no complaints on here because we're just going on his name and reputation. They as a professional organisation should be doing far more and if they had done their jobs properly they shouldn't have signed him.
    Every signing is a gamble, this season we've made more good ones than bad ones, we are moving in the right direction at last, with regards to transfer strategy anyway

  8. #33

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    At the end of the day, when you're shopping in the bargain basement a lot of these are going to be hit and miss. You get what you pay for

  9. #34

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    It seems he was:

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...citys-27515797

    ...after three years, there has been a reshuffle and Beadell's former lead recruitment analyst, Patrick Deboys, has now been leading the transfer drive this summer. Deboys held the post of lead recruitment analyst from January 2019 until June this year, when he got the top job as head of recruitment.

    "We've restructured the recruitment, have a new head in charge of that who is responsive, able to move very quickly, and that's why we've got a lot done in terms of the quality this summer," said chairman Mehmet Dalman. (article dated 14/08/2023).
    Another case of jobs for deboys.

  10. #35

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    Every signing is a gamble, this season we've made more good ones than bad ones, we are moving in the right direction
    Where do you think we should be in the table if we've got such an improved squad?

  11. #36

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    Is he confusing most efficient with worst funded

  12. #37

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by PontBlue View Post
    Is he confusing most efficient with worst funded
    We've spent 15m in our last 3 windows, so no

  13. #38

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve the Tea View Post
    Andrii Fedchenkov [Head of Scouting] left last month.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...citys-30956451

    StT.
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    He wasn't the head of recruitment. Deboys was his boss.

  14. #39

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    We've spent 15m in our last 3 windows, so no
    I'm not on about the amount we spent on transfers. I'm on about this new streamlined system we've put in place.

  15. #40

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    The usual positivity fest on here

    There's always going to be hits and misses when it comes to recruitment, that's true in any walk of life. Kanga obviously didn't work out (even though I can understand why, on paper, they signed him); Salech might end up being sold for 15-20m.

    For me the bigger worry is that Deboys is talking about leveraging recruitment data like it's a cutting-edge thing, when most clubs started doing this sort of thing 10+ years ago. While Brentford and Brighton were unearthing gems from the Danish second division we were still relying on kickbacks from Warnock's son. Better late than never and all that, but it really highlights how off the pace the club has been in a lot of these things.

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Where do you think we should be in the table if we've got such an improved squad?
    If Bulut got that squad to 12th, we should be top ten on paper, but football is not like that!

    We had a tough set of fixtures and a terrible start and that shaped the season. Then we sacked a Manager, took forever to replace him with a learn as you play YTS apprentice.

    He's learning though slowly and we have a decent squad so should be OK.

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    If Bulut got that squad to 12th, we should be top ten on paper, but football is not like that!

    We had a tough set of fixtures and a terrible start and that shaped the season. Then we sacked a Manager, took forever to replace him with a learn as you play YTS apprentice.

    He's learning though slowly and we have a decent squad so should be OK.
    there's barely any difference between any of the sides in the bottom half of the table.
    a lucky break here or there, or a good run of form for a few days is probably all that separates any of us.

  18. #43

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    there's barely any difference between any of the sides in the bottom half of the table.
    a lucky break here or there, or a good run of form for a few days is probably all that separates any of us.
    agree tho you could say for most of the league not much in it from bottom to 7'th placed Brizzle City at present

    the top 6 are pretty much what i thought it would be even though it took a huge effort from Coventry . think Middlesborough will make it at the expense of West Brom .

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ex...y-county-move/

    Cardiff City's head of recruitment Patrick Deboys is in talks to join Derby County as the club's director of sport, sources have exclusively told Football League World.

    The 31-year-old has been working as the Bluebirds' head of recruitment since the spring of 2023, taking over the reins from Kevin Beadell.


    Jumping ship for a better job or because changes are coming and Deboys was going to be out?

    And this so soon after the WOL piece uncritically building him up as a transfer genius and innovator.

    (Enjoy the table where Kanga is supposed to have got a player rating of 5.9 over 15 appearances! Comedy gold.)

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    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ex...y-county-move/

    [COLOR="#0000FF"]Jumping ship for a better job or because changes are coming and Deboys was going to be out?
    An interesting question.

    Don't think I'd be too happy with this given his track record with us if I was a Derby fan.

  21. #46

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ex...y-county-move/

    [COLOR="#0000FF"]And this so soon after the WOL piece uncritically building him up as a transfer genius and innovator
    A machiavellian plot by WOL to bring about his departure perhaps? 😁

  22. #47

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post

    (Enjoy the table where Kanga is supposed to have got a player rating of 5.9 over 15 appearances! Comedy gold.)
    That was his total over the 15 games, not an average. Also coincidentally the number of times he ran over the 15 games.

  23. #48

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    That last piece says he's been here for ten years! That means he's been involved in our fall from the first premier season and around for all the junk Warnock signed second relegation

    So practically a complete failure

  24. #49

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
    A machiavellian plot by WOL to bring about his departure perhaps? ��
    All is forgiven. I wonder how we'll cope without having the mastermind behind such hits as Jesper Daland, Roko Simic, Famara Diedhiou and Wilfried Kanga

  25. #50

    Re: One of the most Efficient in the championship

    Quote Originally Posted by fugsyphil View Post
    That last piece says he's been here for ten years! That means he's been involved in our fall from the first premier season and around for all the junk Warnock signed second relegation

    So practically a complete failure
    he would have been a young data analyst when he was first here, I can't imagine that Warnock paid him any attention at all

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