Minutes of Meeting - Fans Advisory Board

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Is it not possible that tan dalman choo et al had kind of forgotten they hadn't resolved the riza situation? He was just in charge but not.

Wouldn't have been a conscious thing but wouldn't surprise me if it had slipped their minds and letter getting some publicity reminded them there was something they needed to do?

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No. Not a chance.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

No. Not a chance.

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It was only slightly tongue in cheek.

They wouldn't listen to the fans of course but the neglect in the day to day running of the club has been so severe in recent years it slipping their minds (that they hadn't actually appointed a manager) wouldn't surprise me

Or maybe I'm being unfair and they still thought those super agents or whoever they were were finding us someone....... (does anyone believe they actually existed? If so and we ended up with riza is actually quite tragically funny)

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

It was only slightly tongue in cheek.

They wouldn't listen to the fans of course but the neglect in the day to day running of the club has been so severe in recent years it slipping their minds (that they hadn't actually appointed a manager) wouldn't surprise me

Or maybe I'm being unfair and they still thought those super agents or whoever they were were finding us someone....... (does anyone believe they actually existed? If so and we ended up with riza is actually quite tragically funny)

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The fact is Tan had summoned Riza to Malaysia a couple of weeks earlier for face-to-face meetings and Riza was banging on in the press about his and the squad's 'uncertainty' at every opportunity. He's said all along that he speaks to Tan regularly. No way in the world had Tan and his cronies forgotten about Riza's situation, and no way in the world did they appoint him because a small number of fans wrote an open letter.

I'd say it's possible that they were sounding out other people, hence the delay, but they didn't suddenly decide to act because of that letter.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'd say it's possible that they were sounding out other people, hence the delay, but they didn't suddenly decide to act because of that letter.

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I'd say that was an absolute certainty, and I think they've been sounding out other managers all season

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The notion that Vincent Tan would appoint a manager to placate a small group of fans is utterly idiotic. It’s as if some people have learned absolutely nothing about the man during the last decade or so.

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Just very convenient then.

I don’t think it was to please the fans at all, it was clearly two fingers up to them.

Our fan groups should just stop engaging with the complete idiots running the club.

Is there any point. Let's have a complete no confidence in them

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Our fan groups should just stop engaging with the complete idiots running the club.

Is there any point. Let's have a complete no confidence in them

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Worst thing the fan groups did was back down from the open letter. Should’ve doubled down, if they’d be frozen out then oh well, those in charge couldn’t give a monkeys what they think or have to say anyway.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Worst thing the fan groups did was back down from the open letter. Should’ve doubled down, if they’d be frozen out then oh well, those in charge couldn’t give a monkeys what they think or have to say anyway.

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Agreed, and people begging protests to stop :hehe:

Boycotts and protests are the only chance they'll change or go. Due process, they'll ignore. Steve Borley (the rebrand cheerleader) is sent out as a "fan" to tick a box. He's as bad as Tan, Dalman and Choo.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Agreed, and people begging protests to stop :hehe:

Boycotts and protests are the only chance they'll change or go. Due process, they'll ignore. Steve Borley (the rebrand cheerleader) is sent out as a "fan" to tick a box. He's as bad as Tan, Dalman and Choo.

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In many ways borley is worse.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

In many ways borley is worse.

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He actively revelled in the rebrand, took shots at fans who opposed it and belittled them. I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Agreed, and people begging protests to stop :hehe:

Boycotts and protests are the only chance they'll change or go. Due process, they'll ignore. Steve Borley (the rebrand cheerleader) is sent out as a "fan" to tick a box. He's as bad as Tan, Dalman and Choo.

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I’m of the opinion that protests are just a waste of time for everyone involved, Tan isn’t listening to the great unwashed as he’ll look at us.

The fan groups should just sever relationships with the club and actively make it as nasty as possible. Hit them where it hurts - it sure as hell isn’t at the CCS.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

I’m of the opinion that protests are just a waste of time for everyone involved, Tan isn’t listening to the great unwashed as he’ll look at us.

The fan groups should just sever relationships with the club and actively make it as nasty as possible. Hit them where it hurts - it sure as hell isn’t at the CCS.

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They should definitely stop engaging.

The last minutes are really depressing.

I've no problem with protests. The problem with the Tan Out one is there is no answer on an alternative?

I saw an interview on you tube and a fan was asked who do you want and the answer was David Sullivan.🤣🤣🤣🤣

A fan saying I want to go to the football thinking I may get my head kicked in. 🤣🤣🤣

We really are in a hopeless position.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

I’m of the opinion that protests are just a waste of time for everyone involved, Tan isn’t listening to the great unwashed as he’ll look at us.

The fan groups should just sever relationships with the club and actively make it as nasty as possible. Hit them where it hurts - it sure as hell isn’t at the CCS.

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The protests did work, we aren't playing in red anymore.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

The protests did work, we aren't playing in red anymore.

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Genuine question here, did they? I remember a big one whilst we were in the Prem but can't recall any of substance the season after when we went down and the the kits were changed back to blue in the January. I personally think we'd still be in red if we had stayed up and that was more the driver, people turned up in their droves (myself included) when we were winning in red. Not so much the season we went down and were relatively middle of the pack.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Genuine question here, did they? I remember a big one whilst we were in the Prem but can't recall any of substance the season after when we went down and the the kits were changed back to blue in the January. I personally think we'd still be in red if we had stayed up and that was more the driver, people turned up in their droves (myself included) when we were winning in red. Not so much the season we went down and were relatively middle of the pack.

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The fans boycotted a game, which did the job

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Genuine question here, did they? I remember a big one whilst we were in the Prem but can't recall any of substance the season after when we went down and the the kits were changed back to blue in the January. I personally think we'd still be in red if we had stayed up and that was more the driver, people turned up in their droves (myself included) when we were winning in red. Not so much the season we went down and were relatively middle of the pack.

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Only real protests start when we are struggling irrespective of colour of kit, we had huge crowds promotion season and premier league season in red.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

The fans boycotted a game, which did the job

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Did we? Don't remember that but there we are. All semantics anyway, I barely remember what I did yesterday half the time.


Still, my general point stands that a protest won't achieve much in this instance

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Only real protests start when we are struggling irrespective of colour of kit, we had huge crowds promotion season and premier league season in red.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Did we? Don't remember that but there we are. All semantics anyway, I barely remember what I did yesterday half the time.


Still, my general point stands that a protest won't achieve much in this instance

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Yes, it was Colchester in the cup and then a week later, we were back in blue

If you hurt Tan's wallet, you get results

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Yes, it was Colchester in the cup and then a week later, we were back in blue

If you hurt Tan's wallet, you get results

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It wasn't a boycott.

There were over 4,000 there for a Friday night fa Cup game. Live on tv. We were playing a 2nd team. V Colchester.

Russell slade had been appointed a few months before and yes morale was low. Just after Xmas.

The crowd wasn't that different to other home cup games before and since.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

It wasn't a boycott.

There were over 4,000 there for a Friday night fa Cup game. Live on tv. We were playing a 2nd team. V Colchester.

Russell slade had been appointed a few months before and yes morale was low. Just after Xmas.

The crowd wasn't that different to other home cup games before and since.

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It was a boycott, it was the lowest crowd ever at CCS for any game, by nearly 1500.

Whether the organisers were smart doesn't matter, it worked. 8 days later we played in blue. It wasn't a coincidence.

Going round Twitter from I assume the fans meeting recently about a player that was asked to go and visit a lifelong supporter from the valleys who is in his final days and the player refused. Cian Ashford had to step in. Story told by Corky so assume this is correct if anyone on here can confirm?

No mention of the player but he should never play for us again

Needs to be named

If it's on twitter it must be true. Ffs.

Same as the ive been told Robinson stormed out and yet another incredible extremely reliable source said Rizas been sacked. ( the 2nd extremely reliable source in about 3 weeks which turned out to be bollox)

The worrying thing is so many fans believe the shit on twitter and these utterly useless sources.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

If it's on twitter it must be true. Ffs.

Same as the ive been told Robinson stormed out and yet another incredible extremely reliable source said Rizas been sacked. ( the 2nd extremely reliable source in about 3 weeks which turned out to be bollox)

The worrying thing is so many fans believe the shit on twitter and these utterly useless sources.

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This isn’t the usual shit from Twitter and their fake sources though it’s a direct quote from Paul Corky

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

Needs to be named

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If it is true then we need to the player's reason for not going before we condemn him

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Originally Posted by RichardM

If it is true then we need to the player's reason for not going before we condemn him

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What possible reason can there be? I very much doubt it was a specific time on a specific day

I came to Cardiff to Uni and started supporting them as a result. I am Welsh though so not sure if it counts

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Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub

This isn’t the usual shit from Twitter and their fake sources though it’s a direct quote from Paul Corky

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Direct quote from paul on twitter just now as those central stand idiots were repeating it. Paul said

"Lads if you are going to put things out to the public you have to be accurate ...this is total rubbish you are putting out..no players refused . I went with Cian to meet Dewi."

https://x.com/CardiffCitySLO/status/1911539732271558738?t=nXC82rUDfLyev-j2h5rtsg&s=19

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Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub

What possible reason can there be? I very much doubt it was a specific time on a specific day

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It could have been too close home to home for the player, maybe he lost someone recently.
I'm sure there could be many reasons...anyway, it appears it wasn't true anyway.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

It was a boycott, it was the lowest crowd ever at CCS for any game, by nearly 1500.

Whether the organisers were smart doesn't matter, it worked. 8 days later we played in blue. It wasn't a coincidence.

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I'm sure there wasn't a boycott - I went along to that game and I'm pretty sure it was a combination of general frustration at how the club was progressing, Slade's boring football, unattractive opposition and the fact it was being shown live on TV that brought about the low crowd. Of course, the rebrand was.a leading factor in supporter dissatisfaction at the club and the low turn out seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back as far as playing in red went, but there was no organised boycott of the game as I recall it - I almost certainly would not have gone if there had been.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I'm sure there wasn't a boycott - I went along to that game and I'm pretty sure it was a combination of general frustration at how the club was progressing, Slade's boring football, unattractive opposition and the fact it was being shown live on TV that brought about the low crowd. Of course, the rebrand was a leading factor in supporter dissatisfaction at the club and the low turn out seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back as far as playing in red went, but there was no organised boycott of the game as I recall it - I almost certainly would not have gone if there had been.

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Spot on. Pedro's rewriting history. Only a tiny number of us ever boycotted the club as a result of the rebrand. Lots of fans were uncomfortable about playing in red and plenty of people gradually became disillusioned with the situation at the club for the variety of reasons you've outlined. However, the number who actively boycotted the club was very small and there was never a game at which a formal boycott took place.

There are some City fans (like me) who took a long time to return following the rebrand reversal and there are some who have never returned (I know several), but the more lasting impact of Tan's folly was a significant change in the way many established supporters feel about the club.