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Originally Posted by Rjk
It's Drakeford's long-term record, as with Boris people will take so much, I think this will prove his and Welsh labourers' Party gate, snailgate will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
This is not political for me, no matter what party brought this in I would hate it and criticise it equally, it's the stupidity and pigheadedness that annoys me, we know no one likes it but we are doing it anyway, the same with you can't travel five miles, it must be a power trip?
I think Welsh Labour knows this and will be working quickly on a replacement, but who, I'm yet to see a decent Welsh politician from any political party.
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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Keep deflecting :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
That poll you posted shows little or no evidence of Welsh voters deserting Labour, they're down a bit, but it's the leader taking the hit rather than the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Welsh Labour will get some votes no matter what they do especially in the Valleys after the mine closures, and to a point that's understandable. I do think they will lose a lot of votes because of Drakeford, how many and will it have much of an effect, probably not because a lot of people will vote for Welsh Labour no matter how daft their policies are.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
This is a very board and there is no one left saying this is a good policy and should have been a top priority for spending as it's far more important than other services like the NHS.
Some tried but even the dullest knows it's nonsense now to try and defend it.
Just to make you aware, other than being a stuck record it's cu**y statements like this that really let you down. What other laws do you think are in your own hands that you think you should force others to ignore?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
"I think it will kick off more in the next twelve months."
I seem to remember you expected a revolt with pitchforks heading towards the senedd last month. Turns out that people grumbled, moaned, and got on with it, (except mainly, you) and some roads will end up getting changed in time. May want to change the batteries in your crystal ball
I've never set a date or any of the other nonsense I said people would start to feel the impact when it goes live, and you've only got to look here and on social media to realise that people are getting more and more very frustrated by it all. It will get worse when the fines and points start arriving.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
His next idea, doesn't affect me.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...vapes-27887906
The future of vapes across the United Kingdom is being discussed, with the Welsh First Minister saying he would back e-cigarettes only being available by prescription. On Thursday, October 12, The UK Government opened a consultation about how to crack down on youth vaping by reducing the appeal, affordability and availability of vapes to children. The consultation is open to anyone.
Proposals being consulted on include:
The future of vapes across the United Kingdom is being discussed, with the Welsh First Minister saying he would back e-cigarettes only being available by prescription. On Thursday, October 12, The UK Government opened a consultation about how to crack down on youth vaping by reducing the appeal, affordability and availability of vapes to children. The consultation is open to anyone.
Proposals being consulted on include:
Making it an offence for anyone born on or after January 1, 2009, to be sold tobacco products
Restricting the flavours and descriptions of vapes so that vape flavours are no longer targeted at children
Regulating point of sale displays in retail outlets so that vapes are kept out of sight from children and away from products that appeal to them, such as sweets
Regulating vape packaging and product presentation to not target it towards children
Considering restricting the sale of disposable vapes
Exploring further restrictions for non-nicotine vapes and other nicotine consumer products such as nicotine pouches
Exploring whether increasing the price of vapes will reduce the number of young people using them
Introducing new powers for councils to issue on-the-spot fines to enforce age of sale legislation of tobacco products and vapes
UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has announced plans to introduce a new law to stop children who turn 14 this year or younger from ever legally being sold cigarettes, in a bid to create the first ‘smokefree generation’. You can read about that here.
In the Senedd on Tuesday (October 10), the First Minister was asked about vaping. He said: "In Australia, for example, Llywydd, the only way you can get an e-cigarette is by prescription, you can't buy them in shops, only through a medical prescription as part of a supervised attempt to give up smoking are they available. I would be attracted to that idea myself."
MS for Clwyd South, Ken Skates, spoke in plenary about how Wales had "lost almost a decade of opportunity" to protect young people from the harmful effects of vaping because the Public Health Bill wasn't passed in 2016. Mr Drakeford, who was then health minister, said: "Here, in this Senedd, we have to face up to the fact that there was an opportunity for this Senedd to take that preventative action and that opportunity was failed.
"The 2016 Bill would've brought the use of e-cigarettes into line with the use of other tobacco products and there were amendments passed to it during its earlier stages to provide new protections in places where children were most likely to be present. As was warned at the time, the use of e-cigarettes has now spread into those younger aged cohorts." For the latest politics news in Wales sign up to our newsletter here.
He added: "The UK Government now intends to take the actions that we could have taken here in 2016. We've lost ground in the meantime. There are children addicted to nicotine today who would've been saved from that addiction had this Senedd taken the action that was available to it."
Honestly now, would you prefer to see Andrew RT in charge over Mark Drakeford?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I voted conservative last time as it was better for me and even I wouldn’t like to see him anywhere near leader.
He also campaigned for 20 which I’m sure has been brought up
Good.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
They should be banned
I've mentioned this on here in vaping threads several times, I think it would be a great idea, but hard to be effective when people can just go to England and buy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I think they're introducing a similar thing in Australia possibly France too
Let’s not forget, he’s the tw^t who put £10 on a tray of cider/beer/lager, plus increasing the price of wine and spirits!!!
It's not a great choice would you prefer to eat sick or sh!t?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
We need better than both but Andrew RT wouldn't bring in blanket 20mph speed limits or no drive more than five miles and all the other nonsense.
Do you really think the Tories will make many gains due to 20mph? I don't. Not in the slightest. I reckon there is much more dislike of the Tories in Wales than there is support of Labour. That all stems from Westminster. Most Tory support in Wales seems, from my experience anyway, to be bitter, older men, people who are more likely to be more right wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
If you could have a slogan across the length of the Welsh border, it would read "anyone bar the Tories". I think it's important to realise that, rather than believe Wales has a big love-in with Labour. That's why Labour can do what it wants, because they know Wales will never support the Tories.
All that’ll happen, is people won’t bother voting at all.
Technically they’ll give up !!!!
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It's not so much the Tories would gain, it's Labour will lose votes to elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Rjk
Again, to who? Lib Dems have never been strong, while Plaid do better at Senedd elections than UK but rarely seem to be able to appeal across most of South Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Most anti-Tories will know that a tick for Labour is the best way at keeping the Tories out and that voting Plaid or Lib Dem in some areas lets the Tories in through the back door.
I can't see the 20mph affecting the General Election too much next year, although the Tories will try as they have little else. With the next Senedd elections not until 2026, I think even the Tories will be sick of mentioning it by then for it to be a major campaigning issue.
Is that a good enough reason to vote Labour though ? It obviously has nothing to do with the actual policies put forward by each party and how they affect Wales. Labour can just carry on trashing the Welsh NHS, Welsh Business, Welsh Schools and transport. Hang on - those are the exact things that Labour supporters accuse the Tories of doing, which is why they wont vote for them - you couldn't make it ip could you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
You are probably right, let's see how it plays out, maybe independents will pick up votes, it's a stupid idea and deserves a punishment vote from Labour voters otherwise what is next reduce the alcohol content in beer and wine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Ban car journeys of more than 20 miles, who knows he's had two crazy ideas and gone with them both.
They have already reduced low cost high strength alcohol.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
https://www.gov.wales/wales-calls-ti...lated%20causes.
It seems a significant number of policies are personal agendas of the leader.Not a great way to run a government with partial accountability and power.
Imagine how unpopular he will be when the 20 mph limit starts actually being enforced.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I know it is the Daily Mail but this online article is excellent and quite funny in parts. Sums it up for me,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...0RNFybKvRIVAhE
Summed the current situation up nicely, and alas some people will vote Labour regardless :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
It’s an excellent reason to vote Labour. As for the WG’s record, most observers will realise that the WG is in a UK wide financial straight jacket imposed by Westminster. Whilst WG tries to offer the services you speak of being ‘trashed’, it is not deliberate wrecking as is the Tories’ strategy from London. Your problem, as a Tory, is that people have long woken up to this and can’t be gaslighted by the likes of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
I take it you didn’t read the article then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
The WaG, a token gesture by Westminster to keep the natives happy - a political outpost which drains the electorate of taxes.
Welsh Govt press office working on a sunday? That's commendable at least!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Read the article? I’m not taking lectures from a DM journalist 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Does raise some decent points mind. I mean, is there anything particular that we are doing well at here compared to other UK countries or comparable English regions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
I do like the free prescriptions. I do think our education system may be more holistic and child friendly too, esp at primary school (which is all I have any first hand experience of as a parent). I'm not sure what else we are excelling at? I'm genuinely all ears on that.
I've just tried to find out how many road journeys are made in Wales. Data doesn't seem to exist for this, but I've found that, in 2022, the total volume of traffic on Welsh roads was 29.2 billion kms, or 18.3 billion miles.
There were 3,312 road accidents in Wales in 2022 where there were casualties. That's one accident per 5.5 million miles of driving. There were 879 accidents where there were serious casulties or fatalities, or one for every 20.8 million miles of driving.
or to put it another way, there are almost 10 road accidents with casualties a day, and more than 2 serious injuries or fatalities every dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Tragic events, however, the implementation of the. 20mph speed limit will have almost no consequences on the safety data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
But not all of those are on 30mph roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
There were 1883 accidents, where there were casualties, on 20/30mph roads in 2022, with 420 of them resulting in serious casualties or fatalities. 22% of road accidents on roads that were 20/30mph in 2022 resulted in seriouss casualties or fatalities, compared with 32% on faster roads.
By way of comparing 20 and 30mph speed limit areas, 21% of accidents, where there were casualties, on 20mph roads resulted in serious casualties or fatalities, while 22% of accidents on 30mph roads resulted in serious casualties or fatalities. 20mph roads had a 1% reduction in serious casualties or fatalities, where there were casualties.
Let's guess that 1.5m motorists in Wales make 4 car journeys a day. Virtually all will be driven on 20/30mph roads at some point, so let's round that to 6m car journeys a day. That means 5,999,995 car journeys a day in 20/30 mph areas with no casualties, with 5 being unfortunate to have a car accident that involves a casualty, or 5,999,999 car journeys a day in 20/30mph areas without a serious casualty or fatality.
care to show your workings?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
elsewhere it has been said they expect around 10 fewer deaths on the roads due to this reduction in speed.
if that's correct then an additional 45 seconds on the average journey is a miniscule price to pay isn't it?
The data is freely accessible and I think a poster on here gave a great analysis as well. When you consider population growth and car usage it’s negligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
How many of those deaths are from electric vehicles whereby pedestrians and other road users failed to hear the approaching car?
You’re in a minority on this one.
if you have convincing data I'd love to read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
in every other place in the world a reduction in speed results in a reduction in deaths so why would Wales be any different?
Back to the accident data spreadsheet from 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Number of accidents with casualties:
20mph speed limit area - 192
30mph speed limit area - 1691
Stands to reason - 37.4% of roads in 2021 had 30mph speed limits, 2.5% had 20mph speed limits. There were 870km of 20mph road across Wales and 13,085km of 30mph road.
Kilometers per accidents with casualties:
20mph speed limit area - 870/192 - per 4.53km
30mph speed limit area - 13085/1691 - per 7.74km
Number of accidents with casualties where those casualties were serious or fatal:
20mph speed limit area - 40 - 40/192 = 20.8%
30mph speed limit area - 380 - 380/1691 = 22.5%
Number of accidents with casualties where there were fatalities
20mph speed limit area - 40 - 2/192 = 1.0%
30mph speed limit area - 380 - 27/1691 = 1.6%
It's interesting that there was a higher proportion of accidents on 20mph roads where there were casualties, than on 30mph roads. The reduction of serious casualties and fatalities dropping from 30 to 20mph is nowhere near the levels being exaggerated.
that's all pretty irrelevant, the 20mph roads prior to this year might have been in areas where accidents have a higher chance of being dangerous i.e. near schools, areas with many pedestrians etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
if you look at other countries that have adopted a similar reduction in speed there is a resulting reduction in lives lost.
if after a year it appears that something like 10 fewer lives have been lost after the introduction would people agree that it was been worth it?