The Donald Trump thread

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

The strange thing is in the set of circumstances you seem to want to make a stand on I don't think many, if any, disagree with you.

The nuance bit was that you bring that stark stated train of thought about your moral code to every exchange on here. We all know that's pants, but if you want to believe it then I guess what's the harm until your self delusion gets exposed the next time you go off on one!

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You should have stopped after the first sentence. The rest you have just made up.

Touch of the "I'm not racist, but..." about several of you tonight. "I don't believe in settling political disputes with bullets, but..."

I suspect when the dust settles you will view it entirely as I do, which is that it is entirely wrong.

Why don't you tell me when I have ever been inconsistent on matters like this. I am frequently calling out people on here for political hatred. I am very consistent in making that argument.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You should have stopped after the first sentence. The rest you have just made up.

Touch of the "I'm not racist, but..." about several of you tonight. "I don't believe in settling political disputes with bullets, but..."

I suspect when the dust settles you will view it entirely as I do, which is that it is entirely wrong.

Why don't you tell me when I have ever been inconsistent on matters like this. I am frequently calling out people on here for political hatred. I am very consistent in making that argument.

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James,

I know it's been a long day for you but the 2nd para is gibberish.

Regardless of the Trump stuff you stated "My moral code doesn't take into account whether someone has my political views or not." We all know that's bullshit but if you want to go to bed and have a good night's sleep believing it then I don't think anyone will get in your way!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

James,

I know it's been a long day for you but the 2nd para is gibberish.

Regardless of the Trump stuff you stated "My moral code doesn't take into account whether someone has my political views or not." We all know that's bullshit but if you want to go to bed and have a good night's sleep believing it then I don't think anyone will get in your way!

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Cyril,

It's not bullshit. Prove it. I'm saying many of you have a different opinion on political violence depending on who is involved. The evidence for that is in the thread above.

I have never ever expressed violent language towards anyone based on their political belief here, or in real life. Ever. So, no. It's not bullshit. I think the views expressed by some on here in the light of an attempted assassination are shameful tbh.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Cyril,

It's not bullshit. Prove it. I'm saying many of you have a different opinion on political violence depending on who is involved. The evidence for that is in the thread above.

I have never ever expressed violent language towards anyone based on their political belief here, or in real life. Ever. So, no. It's not bullshit. I think the views expressed by some on here in the light of an attempted assassination are shameful tbh.

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It's like you are anchored to a rock.

You made a simple stark statement.

"My moral code doesn't take into account whether someone has my political views or not."

Any rational person who has seen your posts would consider that a risible statement. You project morality from a corner not balanced on a see-saw.

You seem to think that your responses to the Trump assassination attempt validate that statement. It may do, it's just the hundreds of other posts on a multitude of subjects that don't!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

It's like you are anchored to a rock.

You made a simple stark statement.

"My moral code doesn't take into account whether someone has my political views or not."

Any rational person who has seen your posts would consider that a risible statement. You project morality from a corner not balanced on a see-saw.

You seem to think that your responses to the Trump assassination attempt validate that statement. It may do, it's just the hundreds of other posts on a multitude of subjects that don't!

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So point them out. Because I think the people on here who accuse me of a lack of balance are the exact people incapable of it themselves - yourself perhaps included? If you had any objectivity on it you wouldn't be calling me out on this, you would be doing so to others.

And yes, I am anchored to a rock that political violence and violent language is wrong. Your best observation yet!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

So point them out. Because I think the people on here who accuse me of a lack of balance are the exact people incapable of it themselves - yourself perhaps included? If you had any objectivity on it you wouldn't be calling me out on this, you would be doing so to others.

And yes, I am anchored to a rock that political violence and violent language is wrong. Your best observation yet!

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Christ the feeling of importance and superiority your ego has is incredible

You are not writing important articles in newspapers or presenting cutting edge journalism

You are arguing the right wing big words cobblers with 200 people on a football messageboard

Not that many people are interested in your moral codes which you are always reminding us about

You been battered all day on here

Your intelligent hemisphere is saying please naff off to bed , your ego side is fighting like ferrets in a plastic bag

You want the world to listen ......but in space no one can hear you scream 😱

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Christ the feeling of importance and superiority your ego has is incredible

You are not writing important articles in newspapers or presenting cutting edge journalism

You are arguing the right wing big words cobblers with 200 people on a football messageboard

Not that many people are interested in your moral codes which you are always reminding us about

You been battered all day on here

Your intelligent hemisphere is saying please naff off to bed , your ego side is fighting like ferrets in a plastic bag

You want the world to listen ......but in space no one can hear you scream 😱

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Importance? Nah. I'm just defending what is right.

Right wing? You fkn toddler🤣 I totally agree with what Keir Starmer said on it!

What part of that do you disagree with?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Importance? Nah. I'm just defending what is right.

Right wing? You fkn toddler🤣 I totally agree with what Keir Starmer said on it!

What part of that do you disagree with?

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Jimbo, It's bedtime. You are trying to show off by claiming some sort of faux superiority which you do not possess.

Rational people know ALL violence is wrong everywhere and all the time, regardless of circumstance.

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Originally Posted by az city

Jimbo, It's bedtime. You are trying to show off by claiming some sort of faux superiority which you do not possess.

Rational people know ALL violence is wrong everywhere and all the time, regardless of circumstance.

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Which is exactly the point I have been making on this thread, but which several people have failed to agree to, and I think it's fair enough to argue against that.

Thank you. A good place to end the day. All violence is wrong, everywhere and all the time, regardless of circumstance. I entirely agree 👍

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You should have stopped after the first sentence. The rest you have just made up.

Touch of the "I'm not racist, but..." about several of you tonight. "I don't believe in settling political disputes with bullets, but..."

I suspect when the dust settles you will view it entirely as I do, which is that it is entirely wrong.

Why don't you tell me when I have ever been inconsistent on matters like this. I am frequently calling out people on here for political hatred. I am very consistent in making that argument.

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🤣

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Importance? Nah. I'm just defending what is right.

Right wing? You fkn toddler🤣 I totally agree with what Keir Starmer said on it!

What part of that do you disagree with?

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Violence is wrong says James , its bad

Unless it's battering gaza

Or Trump acting like a thug on the world stage

OK

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Violence is wrong says James , its bad

Unless it's battering gaza

Or Trump acting like a thug on the world stage

OK

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Where have I glorified either of those things?

Debates are much more fun when you don't make things up

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

And yes, I am anchored to a rock that political violence and violent language is wrong.

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So, did you call out Trump and his followers for the Jan 6th riots?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tcoin-election

Shares in Donald Trump’s media company have surged by 50% in pre-market trading after the attempted assassination of the former US president, potentially adding nearly $3bn (£2.3bn) to the valuation of the business behind the X rival Truth Social.

Trump Media and Technology Group, which uses Trump’s initials DJT as its ticker, has been a volatile stock since its debut on 26 March this year.

However, traders are set to push the share price back towards levels not seen since May after the attack on Saturday night increased Trump’s chances of winning November’s presidential election.

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Trump Media is 60% owned by the former US president, meaning the value of his stake, worth about $3.8bn on Friday, could rise by as much as $2bn.

Neil Wilson, the chief analyst at the brokerage company Finalto, said the share price move was a “bet on Trump” and the widespread perception that the shooting had improved the ex-president’s chances of regaining the White House in November.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

So point them out. Because I think the people on here who accuse me of a lack of balance are the exact people incapable of it themselves - yourself perhaps included? If you had any objectivity on it you wouldn't be calling me out on this, you would be doing so to others.

And yes, I am anchored to a rock that political violence and violent language is wrong. Your best observation yet!

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Things are a bit nuanced though, to coin your phrase, as no one person has done more to stir up political violence in the US than trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...documents-case

Donald Trump’s criminal case on charges that he illegally retained classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago club was dismissed on Monday by the presiding judge, ruling that the special counsel who brought the case was unlawfully appointed and funded under the US constitution.

The decision by the US district judge Aileen Cannon will almost certainly be challenged by special counsel prosecutors at the US court of appeals for the 11th circuit. Prosecutors could also seek to have the case reassigned to a different judge if the ruling is overturned.

Trump was indicted last year with retaining national security documents at Mar-a-Lago and obstructing the government’s attempts to retrieve, including by partially defying a grand jury subpoena ordering him to return any classified documents to the justice department. Trump had pleaded not guilty.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...documents-case

Donald Trump’s criminal case on charges that he illegally retained classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago club was dismissed on Monday by the presiding judge, ruling that the special counsel who brought the case was unlawfully appointed and funded under the US constitution.

The decision by the US district judge Aileen Cannon will almost certainly be challenged by special counsel prosecutors at the US court of appeals for the 11th circuit. Prosecutors could also seek to have the case reassigned to a different judge if the ruling is overturned.

Trump was indicted last year with retaining national security documents at Mar-a-Lago and obstructing the government’s attempts to retrieve, including by partially defying a grand jury subpoena ordering him to return any classified documents to the justice department. Trump had pleaded not guilty.

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The guy just can't not catch a break!

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Originally Posted by lardy

The guy just can't not catch a break!

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I know.

Leave aside the clear run to the Presidency, the immunity from prosecution (thanks Trump-appointed Supreme Court), watching his share value shoot through the roof with sympathy buying, and seeing the $$$ roll in from his gullible fans.

He also has to contend with being tortured by the FBI, shot at by a disgruntled 2nd Amendment enthusiast, and fawned over by JamesWales.

Surely it can't get any worse?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I know.

Leave aside the clear run to the Presidency, the immunity from prosecution (thanks Trump-appointed Supreme Court), watching his share value shoot through the roof with sympathy buying, and seeing the $$$ roll in from his gullible fans.

He also has to contend with being tortured by the FBI, shot at by a disgruntled 2nd Amendment enthusiast, and fawned over by JamesWales.

Surely it can't get any worse?

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The opposition certainly seem to be running out of options. If I were Trump, I'd avoid flying, tall buildings and dining out, and I would also consider getting myself kitted out with a "Biden Bunker".

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The opposition certainly seem to be running out of options. If I were Trump, I'd avoid flying, tall buildings and dining out, and I would also consider getting myself kitted out with a "Biden Bunker".

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True.

Unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Things are a bit nuanced though, to coin your phrase, as no one person has done more to stir up political violence in the US than trump.

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Except the people responsible for the Russia collusion hoax, and those who promoted it!

I’ve got a feeling you are a bit twp tbh. Ffs it’s cringeworthy

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Originally Posted by Packerman

I’ve got a feeling you are a bit twp tbh. Ffs it’s cringeworthy

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If you're going to start somewhere, it's best to start at the beginning.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I know.

Leave aside the clear run to the Presidency, the immunity from prosecution (thanks Trump-appointed Supreme Court), watching his share value shoot through the roof with sympathy buying, and seeing the $$$ roll in from his gullible fans.

He also has to contend with being tortured by the FBI, shot at by a disgruntled 2nd Amendment enthusiast, and fawned over by JamesWales.

Surely it can't get any worse?

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You have a few out there opinions Jon, but criticising the judiciary, conspiracy theorist and mistaking thinking someone shouldn't be assasinated for fawning in one post is pretty good going!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You have a few out there opinions Jon, but criticising the judiciary, conspiracy theorist and mistaking thinking someone shouldn't be assasinated for fawning in one post is pretty good going!

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I think people are too ideological, and they want to stick labels on everything and everybody. Here's the logic, if A then it must be B, which is absolute BS. I've been labelled a Trump supporter just because I read a bunch of source documents and reported what I saw, and it turns out that hearing the truth drives some people crazy. The funny thing is I don't even support anybody, they are two sides of the same coin in search of power and ideological domination. Some people really need to take a chill pill :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You have a few out there opinions Jon, but criticising the judiciary, conspiracy theorist and mistaking thinking someone shouldn't be assasinated for fawning in one post is pretty good going!

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Thanks. Apology accepted. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Thanks. Apology accepted. :thumbup:

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Anytime!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

So point them out. Because I think the people on here who accuse me of a lack of balance are the exact people incapable of it themselves - yourself perhaps included? If you had any objectivity on it you wouldn't be calling me out on this, you would be doing so to others.

And yes, I am anchored to a rock that political violence and violent language is wrong. Your best observation yet!

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Originally Posted by stevo

So, did you call out Trump and his followers for the Jan 6th riots?

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:shrug:

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Originally Posted by stevo

:shrug:

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Sure, of course any insurrection to overthrow the government is completely outrageous and an affront to democracy. There's varying stories about that day, and videos of that lead guy in the bearskin thing being shown around by police which is curious, but it's plainly totally wrong and was a violent attack on a democratic institution.

Whats also wrong was Trumps inability to accept defeat with grace, his mocking of the disabled and many other things he's said.

Doesn't mean that shooting the guy is the answer!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sure, of course any insurrection to overthrow the government is completely outrageous and an affront to democracy. There's varying stories about that day, and videos of that lead guy in the bearskin thing being shown around by police which is curious, but it's plainly totally wrong and was a violent attack on a democratic institution.

Whats also wrong was Trumps inability to accept defeat with grace, his mocking of the disabled and many other things he's said.

Doesn't mean that shooting the guy is the answer!

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Quite right. I wish people would stop saying that shooting the guy is the answer!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sure, of course any insurrection to overthrow the government is completely outrageous and an affront to democracy. There's varying stories about that day, and videos of that lead guy in the bearskin thing being shown around by police which is curious, but it's plainly totally wrong and was a violent attack on a democratic institution.

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That reminds me, my missus wants some Agent Provocateur underwear for her birthday. She absolutely loves it, and so do I :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Quite right. I wish people would stop saying that shooting the guy is the answer!

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:hehe: :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sure, of course any insurrection to overthrow the government is completely outrageous and an affront to democracy. There's varying stories about that day, and videos of that lead guy in the bearskin thing being shown around by police which is curious, but it's plainly totally wrong and was a violent attack on a democratic institution.

Whats also wrong was Trumps inability to accept defeat with grace, his mocking of the disabled and many other things he's said.

Doesn't mean that shooting the guy is the answer!

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Do you not think that Trump played his part by inciting those riots?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Quite right. I wish people would stop saying that shooting the guy is the answer!

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I know right. The noise is driving the local dogs wild!

Trump picks his running mate. J.D. Vance. I'm not sure what it is with Americans using their initials.

An interesting pick to say the least, in his 30s, published author and made some interesting past comments on his new boss..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._D._Vance

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Originally Posted by jimmyscoular

Jack Smith did not pull it from the docket. The judge did. The originally scheduled trial date of March 4 has become untenable due to Trump's assertion of presidential immunity. That assertion must be tested in the courts, including almost certainly the Supreme Court. So, the judge basically put the case on hold until the immunity issue is resolved.

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So, it looks like that's the end of Jack for now, case dismissed and talk of unconstitutional lawfare attacks.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sure, of course any insurrection to overthrow the government is completely outrageous and an affront to democracy. There's varying stories about that day, and videos of that lead guy in the bearskin thing being shown around by police which is curious, but it's plainly totally wrong and was a violent attack on a democratic institution.

Whats also wrong was Trumps inability to accept defeat with grace, his mocking of the disabled and many other things he's said.

Doesn't mean that shooting the guy is the answer!

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America is insane

Political murders happen in mad countries

Given that what most people would consider decent human beings get murdered from time to time I think it's not really surprising that a disturbed and motivated person tried to knock off a thoroughly divisive and rotten individual such a trump

He's courted publicity and headlines and controversy and whipped up division

He's absolutely loved it all

But now he is suddenly to be wrapped in a blanket ?

I am afraid this is part of the world he has created

It's missing the point to say that people say he's asked for that, deserved it etc etc

He and his rabid followers are right at the core of all this not a few people on a messageboard using gallows humour

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Originally Posted by stevo

Do you not think that Trump played his part by inciting those riots?

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Forget about the bloke in the bearskin conspiracy crap

There were hundreds and hundreds of redneck nutcases on Capitol Hill that day armed and very dangerous

Many innocent people could have died that day

Just because trump and his pathetic spoilt followers didn't like losing

That's the problem in America

That leads eventually to a 20 year old disturbed individual trying to kill someone who is intensely disliked by as many people who worship him like a demi god

It's like an insane side project of Heart Of Darkness

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Quite right. I wish people would stop saying that shooting the guy is the answer!

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:hehe:

Interesting to read that the family of the guy shot and killed at the rally have refused Biden's call but not heard from Trump. This says a lot about the three parties involved.