The current white house regime is populated by assholes and poisonous freaksQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Or , if you are James Wales ......God fearing , upstanding peace makers
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The current white house regime is populated by assholes and poisonous freaksQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Or , if you are James Wales ......God fearing , upstanding peace makers
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
FixedQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You are a right wing freak hiding behind academic prose and faux intelligenceQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You vote Farage
You are part of the same oil slick
So get used to it
You seriously need to re-read this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Someone said the US wasn't talking to Ukraine.
I said they are, and provided a link, and that's because they are talking to Ukraine and because basic truth matters.
For that entirely uncontroversial and factual point you have unleashed about a dozen or more personal insults towards me.
Aside from anything else, it's just fking weird. Take a night off and stop it, please.
I enjoy robust debate but an endless barrage of insults for writing something that is absolutely the truth is the kind of thing that ruins forums like this.
You have more brass neck than anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You by your own MO have continually been a yes but no apologist for trump , Johnson, farage
So cobblers to you
I just have a different opinion to you Sludge. And reading the way you talk on here a lot of the time I am bloody glad I do!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Your opinion is basically whatever is right wing you will slime and creep to support itQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I am absolutely delighted I don't
Someone said the US isn't speaking to Ukraine. That is absolutely incorrect and I said so and posted the below link, because that's the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly65gm5jp9o
For that, in less 12 hours you have called me:
"Feck off you are embarrassing"
"You are shagging Farage"
"Pathetic"
"insulting people's intelligence"
"pro -right nonsense"
"Daft twat with a brass neck"
"trump is your hero"
"Donald Trump is inside you"
"An idiot"
"Such a cretin at times"
"You creep up to them at every chance"
"limp wristed ponce"
"Right wing freak"
"Slime and creep"
That is 14 personal insults, in the space of 12 hours merely for posting a factually correct BBC article.
Maybe you can't see it Sludge but everyone else can. Its weird as fk. I suggested you wind you neck in after about the 6th insult but you kept on going.
So weird. Even you must read the above summary of your contributions and think that looks like seriously odd behaviour?
You are a soppy academic ponceQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
And a right wing one
Who loves arguing your silly little right wing corner
I think you enjoy it
Which is definitely very odd behaviour
Now faaark off trumpboy
Sleep well Sludgey.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
If you took your opinion of the UK and Europe from certain sections of todays social media then you would probably have the impression that there's a mosque on every corner, and you can't leave the house without getting stabbed or raped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Almost any post about the UK on twitter is met with a mass of replies from (likely russian) bot accounts pushing this false view and angry young men who have been convinced it is true.
Even though in reality almost all of Europe is safer in most ways than almost all of the US.
The most worrying thing is that this pernicious influence seems to have reached into the corridors of power in the US. And we can see this is already starting to pick apart decades old alliances.
It brings to mind the corrupting influence of the palantir in lord of the rings.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjy1jmvvwzo
He'll be burning books next.
Trump reminds me of someone, it'll come to me in a minute?
Don't say the "H" word, James has banned it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
No you can say it if you want to look ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
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Originally Posted by JamesWales
He's been bullying the kids on here for 20 odd years and now struggles with those who have said f**k you no more, his insults are getting more and more ludicrous as was evidenced when he got banned. and to think i voted to bring him back!!!
I think Sludge needs to rein it in and the the barrage of insults in this thread are way over the top and boring, but even the Cardiff City Young Player of the Year Committee would struggle to define anyone on here as a kid :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Thanks JW for your excellent and magnanimous policing of the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
🤣🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
James would qualify: he's the enfant terrible 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Better that than being a terrible infant like some on here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
That's fair commentQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
No there's nothing at all ridiculous in saying that. However, it's entirely inaccurate and a tad lazy. It's exactly like someone calling Einstein Newton. Yes there are major similarities between those two in terms of genius, types of research and a few other things, but there were also many differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
In terms of Trump and "HE who should not be mentioned by name" yes there are striking similarities but also some differences. For example, "H" was a First World War veteran while Trump evaded military service. Also, I've never seen Mein Fuherer Donald wear a moustache.
Don’t forget though, he’s not a Fascist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Only an idiot wouldn't be able to see the parallels.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
There are more people in history you know.
The history of the world isn't:
Dinosaurs die out > Hitler elected > Trump elected,
Just taking this on a very small tangent away from Trump….Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
But there really is a massive uptick in stabbing, rapes, mowing down of crowds by Muslims.
This is a fact and if people can’t acknowledge it or if people try to play it down, we really are screwed.
I don’t mind admitting that I am an Islamophobe…I’m petrified of the religion.
It’s a barbaric, dangerous religion and the rise of it across the West is frankly terrifying.
I’m not interested in whataboutery in talking about other religions or banning all religions.
There is a very real problem with Islam and people should at least acknowledge this.
Up yours u tory liteQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Didn't an American far right Christian mow down and kill people at an anti kkk rally in Charlotte?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
That is whataboutism I believe.
It's an answer to your claim ....which is incorrect .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
I am afraid the good old us of a is a prime example where crimes on behalf of God happen regularly
And the majority of these are carried out by Christians
Let's not go into the nutcase southern fundamentalists
Do you think that the child abuse ,rape and murder carried out by them is a free pass?
Stalin 20m, Hitler 16m, Mao 40-80m. All Christians..Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Various US presidents since WW2 - over 12 million. And pretty sure they all waved a bible whilst boasting of their exploits.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
The conclusion is here that people of all faiths and none people on the far left and far right and in-between, and people of all ages and nationalities are capable of committing the most horrific crimes. Any conclusion other than that requires an ignorance of history
That absolutely does not mean we ignore the reality of Islamic fundementalism in the majority of European, Middle Eastern and African terrorism in recent years, or Christian fundementalism in places or Jewish fundementalism in Israel. It all happens. But seeking to change the topic from what's happening in Europe doesn't really help. In fact it only helps the parties that people who try to ignore it say they don't like, cos thats where people head towards.
The conclusion is that human beings can be evil and despotism, greed, power, Narcissism, Nationalism, racism, religion and other factors can be used to inflict unspeakable pain and suffering. We should all embrace solidarity and be vigilant against these malign influences.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Even Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins have singled out Islam as being a lot more dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The reason that I brought it up was because RJK posted about how people perceive Europe on Social Media.
The news shows Islamic Terror and violence in Europe near enough every week.
People really have their heads in the sand.
It is dangerous, it subjugates women, persecutes gay people, puts fatwah’s on heretics, etc.
I don't know how many Muslim people you know, but I know quite a lot and none of them fit the description you have given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
There is clearly a serious threat from a small number of radicalised Islamists who have been behind some high profile terrorist attacks in Europe in recent years. But the biggest number (10x the number from Islamists) of terror incidents come from political separatists followed by far right domestic terrorists.
The UK has also suffered the impact of several grooming gangs (many of Pakistani heritage - not all - but mostly not immigrants as claimed in the US social media bubble), and a failure of police and other local agencies to pay attention to reports and act on them properly. Those incidents were horrific and a scandal, and went on for decades, but they are well over a decade old. Children may still be abused, but the culture of turning a blind eye is hopefully over, and both the media and judicial investigations are on the case. There was more government action to dig deeper in January.
A lot of women and girls were victims, and no one should downplay the crimes. But the reality of what happened, and the reality of Islamist terrorism, is not what is reflected back by US social media and the bile of politicians like Marjory Taylor Greene. That is full of racist shit, made up rubbish about no-go areas in major cities, London-stan and the rest. This from a country with a massively bigger right wing domestic terror problem (accounting for the majority of attacks and plots since 9/11), and nearly 20,000 murder deaths a year.
I may not be typical - although I think maybe I am - but I am going to the USA next month (went for the first time last year) and I know I feel safer in Europe (any part of Europe) than I do in the 'land of the free'.
The likes of Marjory Taylor Green is a vile racist cow, much like Katy Hopkins or Anne Coulther.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
It is embarrassing that she holds the position that she does.
No defending her ignorant way of talking or people using Europe’s very real problems as a shield to avoid answering questions.
It is possible to separate Muslims from Islam.
It’s not a dislike of Muslim people but a totally fair rational fear of their religion.
It’s reasonable to say that the US has a problem with mass shooters to the point where it doesn’t shock any more.
The same could be said of Islamist attacks in Europe.
What about the persecution of Homosexuals or how women are treated in Islam?
Things will only get worse unless there is a grown up discussion about these problems.
I knew Jon would make a better job of responding than I ever could. But it’s essentially the same point I was going to make.
I will add that a lot of Americans have a very skewed view of Europe and the U.K. depending on what media outlets they follow.
And Washington DC Blue will know this better than most on here.
What should I know better about?Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.
I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?