The Donald Trump thread

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I don't know how many Muslim people you know, but I know quite a lot and none of them fit the description you have given.

There is clearly a serious threat from a small number of radicalised Islamists who have been behind some high profile terrorist attacks in Europe in recent years. But the biggest number (10x the number from Islamists) of terror incidents come from political separatists followed by far right domestic terrorists.

The UK has also suffered the impact of several grooming gangs (many of Pakistani heritage - not all - but mostly not immigrants as claimed in the US social media bubble), and a failure of police and other local agencies to pay attention to reports and act on them properly. Those incidents were horrific and a scandal, and went on for decades, but they are well over a decade old. Children may still be abused, but the culture of turning a blind eye is hopefully over, and both the media and judicial investigations are on the case. There was more government action to dig deeper in January.

A lot of women and girls were victims, and no one should downplay the crimes. But the reality of what happened, and the reality of Islamist terrorism, is not what is reflected back by US social media and the bile of politicians like Marjory Taylor Greene. That is full of racist shit, made up rubbish about no-go areas in major cities, London-stan and the rest. This from a country with a massively bigger right wing domestic terror problem (accounting for the majority of attacks and plots since 9/11), and nearly 20,000 murder deaths a year.

I may not be typical - although I think maybe I am - but I am going to the USA next month (went for the first time last year) and I know I feel safer in Europe (any part of Europe) than I do in the 'land of the free'.

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I'm not sure about that stat about there being 10X more terrorist attacks from seperatists than Islamists in Europe in recent years?

Surely can't be true?

As for extreme right-wing, the most horrific was Anders Breivik in Norway but that was still half the number in the Paris attacks and I can't think of other large-scale far-right ones?

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

What should I know better about?
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.

I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?

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There was a thread on here a while ago about the left and the more conservative or radical elements of Islam and their awkward relationship. I think there's a lot of things coming into play. A natural anti-racism and anti - colonialism approach that perhaps haven't been adapted for more modern times, I dunno.

It is odd though and people keep very quiet on it, presumably for the reason of not wanting to inflamed community relations. The thing is, ignoring things most often makes the issues worse in my opinion

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

The conclusion is that human beings can be evil and despotism, greed, power, Narcissism, Nationalism, racism, religion and other factors can be used to inflict unspeakable pain and suffering. We should all embrace solidarity and be vigilant against these malign influences.

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Inshallah and amen to that! 👍

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

What should I know better about?
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.

I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?

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I’m talking about Americans having a skewed perception of Europe and the U.K. and that you’re better placed than most on here to see that first hand.

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Originally Posted by stevo

I’m talking about Americans having a skewed perception of Europe and the U.K. and that you’re better placed than most on here to see that first hand.

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I think we are the same with America though aren't we. Comparing a country that is more or less the size of Europe and applying blanket assumptions on school safety and the like.

So whereas a mass stabbing here happens in Germany, then the UK then Netherlands or whatever, we will report them all as happening in one country

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topic...2080%20attacks

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Originally Posted by jon1959

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topic...2080%20attacks

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That's interesting, and it reminded me of this one I saw a year or two ago (which does give much greater prominence to jihadist groups etc)

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/i...facts-figures/

I genuinely don't know what they are recording as seperatist groups? Ireland and the Basque country much lesser than before. I know corsica has some rumblings and parts of Belgium too, but not anything serious or particularly newsworthy.

The one I've posted there also has left-wing terrorism far higher than right-wing which I find hard to believe.

Genuinely curious as to what they are counting as terrorism.

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Originally Posted by stevo

I’m talking about Americans having a skewed perception of Europe and the U.K. and that you’re better placed than most on here to see that first hand.

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Some certainly do, although the internet has altered perceptions a lot over the time that I’ve been here.

Hardcore MAGA refuse to accept any wrongdoing by Trump or his administration regardless of the consequences.
Many though are incredibly chill and well traveled.
For every Roscoe P Coltrane there is an Anthony Bourdain.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

The conclusion is here that people of all faiths and none people on the far left and far right and in-between, and people of all ages and nationalities are capable of committing the most horrific crimes. Any conclusion other than that requires an ignorance of history.

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All those liberal progressive anti-theist despots ...

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Originally Posted by az city

All those liberal progressive anti-theist despots ...

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You disagreeing with that summary are you?

Christian Priests have been abusing kids for hundreds of years

Just today the recently " retired " archbishop Welby has given a pathetic interview to the BBC about the failure of him and his crew to act on a well known paedophile

It seems incredible that these Christian abusers merge into the background and have done for years

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

What should I know better about?
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.

I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?

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My post denied nothing of the sort

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

What should I know better about?
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.

I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?

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No , you have taken this the wrong way

He's saying that the media can skew opinions and mould views and that you living in America would know that the media over there is particularly poisonous and guilty of gross generalisations , racism and a whole lot more

Eg Fox News etc

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

My post denied nothing of the sort

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I’m not referring to you Sludge.
I just think there is a criminal silence to a specific religion that preaches and practices ideals that would make the far/alt right blush.

A friend of mine over here was put in prison in Iran for listening to and wearing Metal T-Shirts.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Christian Priests have been abusing kids for hundreds of years

Just today the recently " retired " archbishop Welby has given a pathetic interview to the BBC about the failure of him and his crew to act on a well known paedophile

It seems incredible that these Christian abusers merge into the background and have done for years

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Even worse watching him again this morning

What a pathetic excuse for his complete lack of backbone

Donald not happy with Putin

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�������� Trump ‘PISSED OFF’ at Putin, Warns 25% Tariffs on Russian Oil Could Happen Anytime<br><br>&quot;I was very angry, pissed off, when Putin started questioning Zelensky’s credibility and discussing new leadership in Ukraine,&quot; Trump said in a phone interview with NBC.<br><br>lol. <a href="https://t.co/zM3GSIU3Zt">pic.twitter.com/zM3GSIU3Zt</a></p>&mdash; DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1906348530928955473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

Donald not happy with Putin

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�������� Trump ‘PISSED OFF’ at Putin, Warns 25% Tariffs on Russian Oil Could Happen Anytime<br><br>"I was very angry, pissed off, when Putin started questioning Zelensky’s credibility and discussing new leadership in Ukraine," Trump said in a phone interview with NBC.<br><br>lol. <a href="https://t.co/zM3GSIU3Zt">pic.twitter.com/zM3GSIU3Zt</a></p>— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1906348530928955473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Even his best boyfriend one week is his enemy the next

Laughable idiot

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

Donald not happy with Putin

�������� Trump ‘PISSED OFF’ at Putin, Warns 25% Tariffs on Russian Oil Could Happen Anytime

"I was very angry, pissed off, when Putin started questioning Zelensky’s credibility and discussing new leadership in Ukraine," Trump said in a phone interview with NBC.

lol. pic.twitter.com/zM3GSIU3Zt
— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) March 30, 2025

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LOL ... ROTFL ... LMFAO ... :facepalm: :cooper: :welshgirl: :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Even his best boyfriend one week is his enemy the next

Laughable idiot

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Looks like a clumsy attempt to signal he is not in Putin's pocket. Just noise. It suits Trump and Putin to pretend there is some distance.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Looks like a clumsy attempt to signal he is not in Putin's pocket. Just noise. It suits Trump and Putin to pretend there is some distance.

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On the other hand, it may simply be a clash of egos and not being able to come to a mutual agreement. They are very different personalities in many ways, despite their commonalities.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

On the other hand, it may simply be a clash of egos and not being able to come to a mutual agreement. They are very different personalities in many ways, despite their commonalities.

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Quite hard to imagine Trump being pissed off at someone questioning Zelenskys credibility!

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Originally Posted by lardy

Quite hard to imagine Trump being pissed off at someone questioning Zelenskys credibility!

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He's Quixotic and barking mad. Anything can happen with the orange loon.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

He's Quixotic and barking mad. Anything can happen with the orange loon.

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But he definitely doesn't have empathy for other people's feelings!

"It's politics, but not as we know it Jim"

Trump labels alleged Turnberry vandals as 'terrorists'. Hopes they will be treated harshly. But invading the Capital Building and running riot is okay, it would seem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r5wkee8z5o

Apparently lots of UK nationals having issues getting into the states now, is this true? Heard it from someone who was just given a grilling on why they are coming in etc? Checking online history in interviews at customs? WTF is the orange Buffon turning the country into? I’ve no plans to go less wales make it to the 2026 World Cup where I could land in a spot of bother as I’ve sod many times I don’t expect him to survive that long. Also, Vance is a fukin cnut and I’m standing by that right now…..

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Originally Posted by lardy

But he definitely doesn't have empathy for other people's feelings!

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A tad tautological there perhaps, old fruit.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

A tad tautological there perhaps, old fruit.

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New York, New York. It's so good they named it twice!

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

A tad tautological there perhaps, old fruit.

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yes a superfluous tautology

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

A tad tautological there perhaps, old fruit.

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Sometimes necessary

Or an unnecessary superfluous tautology?

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Originally Posted by stevo

Or an unnecessary superfluous tautology?

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Maybe a redundant tautologous superfluity?

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Maybe a redundant tautologous superfluity?

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What's this , happy hour at Pete and Bernis philosophical steakhouse ?,

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

What's this , happy hour at Pete and Bernis philosophical steakhouse ?,

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Food for thought

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Originally Posted by goats

Apparently lots of UK nationals having issues getting into the states now, is this true? Heard it from someone who was just given a grilling on why they are coming in etc? Checking online history in interviews at customs? WTF is the orange Buffon turning the country into? I’ve no plans to go less wales make it to the 2026 World Cup where I could land in a spot of bother as I’ve sod many times I don’t expect him to survive that long. Also, Vance is a fukin cnut and I’m standing by that right now…..

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I posted on this thread earlier last week about the requirement of declaring social media accounts when even transitting through the States for a few hours to change planes - and that mobile phones have been checked in some cases regarding anti-US sentiments.

By the way, I'm in Ireland at the moment and there is considerable concern about Trump's proposed tariffs; a whacking 27% of Irish exports go to the USA, the major importer of their goods!

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

By the way, I'm in Ireland at the moment and there is considerable concern about Trump's proposed tariffs; a whacking 27% of Irish exports go to the USA, the major importer of their goods!

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Are you aware that Ireland charge tariffs on USA goods going into Ireland ? Tariffs are common between non EU and EU countries

You can argue the amount but it's a fact of business

The last 2 months USA has now attracted close to 4 trillion dollars of new investment into the USA

This so called ' Liberation day' tomorrow will be interesting and could go a bit crazy around the world markets !

Think it's the wrong thing to do mind

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

Are you aware that Ireland charge tariffs on USA goods going into Ireland ? Tariffs are common between non EU and EU countries

You can argue the amount but it's a fact of business

The last 2 months USA has now attracted close to 4 trillion dollars of new investment into the USA

This so called ' Liberation day' tomorrow will be interesting and could go a bit crazy around the world markets !

Think it's the wrong thing to do mind

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The point is that Ireland is considered to be the most exposed country in the EU regarding high US tariffs.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The point is that Ireland is considered to be the most exposed country in the EU regarding high US tariffs.

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I'd blame it on those kilts they wear.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The point is that Ireland is considered to be the most exposed country in the EU regarding high US tariffs.

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yes there are a number of large medtech firms who relocated to Ireland for their favourable tax rates. and the US market is massive for med tech, not just because of the size, but firms can charge a lot more there for the same product