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Thread: The Donald Trump thread

  1. #10476

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    By the way, I'm in Ireland at the moment and there is considerable concern about Trump's proposed tariffs; a whacking 27% of Irish exports go to the USA, the major importer of their goods!

  2. #10477

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    By the way, I'm in Ireland at the moment and there is considerable concern about Trump's proposed tariffs; a whacking 27% of Irish exports go to the USA, the major importer of their goods!
    Are you aware that Ireland charge tariffs on USA goods going into Ireland ? Tariffs are common between non EU and EU countries

    You can argue the amount but it's a fact of business

    The last 2 months USA has now attracted close to 4 trillion dollars of new investment into the USA

    This so called ' Liberation day' tomorrow will be interesting and could go a bit crazy around the world markets !

    Think it's the wrong thing to do mind

  3. #10478

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    Are you aware that Ireland charge tariffs on USA goods going into Ireland ? Tariffs are common between non EU and EU countries

    You can argue the amount but it's a fact of business

    The last 2 months USA has now attracted close to 4 trillion dollars of new investment into the USA

    This so called ' Liberation day' tomorrow will be interesting and could go a bit crazy around the world markets !

    Think it's the wrong thing to do mind
    The point is that Ireland is considered to be the most exposed country in the EU regarding high US tariffs.

  4. #10479

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    The point is that Ireland is considered to be the most exposed country in the EU regarding high US tariffs.
    I'd blame it on those kilts they wear.

  5. #10480

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    The point is that Ireland is considered to be the most exposed country in the EU regarding high US tariffs.
    yes there are a number of large medtech firms who relocated to Ireland for their favourable tax rates. and the US market is massive for med tech, not just because of the size, but firms can charge a lot more there for the same product

  6. #10481

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    yes there are a number of large medtech firms who relocated to Ireland for their favourable tax rates. and the US market is massive for med tech, not just because of the size, but firms can charge a lot more there for the same product
    That's true but it doesn't deflect from the immediate concern here.

  7. #10482

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    Listening to his speech on these tariffs.

    He has a way of doing things that is surely unique in the world?

    Five minutes into the speech to a global audience he pulls up some autoworker to talk in very straight terms about his job and factories closing in Detroit etc.

    No one else does that do they?

    Economically it feels the world changes slightly today, depending on how everyone reacts

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Economically it feels the world changes slightly today, depending on how everyone reacts
    Laughable. His unilateral declaration of a trade war will make every poor person on the planet worse off.

  9. #10484

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    Laughable. His unilateral declaration of a trade war will make every poor person on the planet worse off.
    Well I guess we are about to find out.

    One likely scenario though is that it actually leads to a rather rapid reduction in tariffs given he cites those on US goods as justification for the changes.

    I think it's a power play more than anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Well I guess we are about to find out.

    One likely scenario though is that it actually leads to a rather rapid reduction in tariffs given he cites those on US goods as justification for the changes.

    I think it's a power play more than anything
    Lay off the glue.

  11. #10486

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Well I guess we are about to find out.

    One likely scenario though is that it actually leads to a rather rapid reduction in tariffs given he cites those on US goods as justification for the changes.

    I think it's a power play more than anything
    James, you don’t have to come and hear and try and defend Trump just because it’s what you think you’re expected to do. If any other leader of one of the other major counties of the world introduced tariffs in the way Trump has they’d be labelled mad, but, because of who it is, people just shrug their shoulders and mutter “it’s just Trump being Trump”.

  12. #10487

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    Laughable. His unilateral declaration of a trade war will make every poor person on the planet worse off.
    Is that his problem?

  13. #10488

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    James, you don’t have to come and hear and try and defend Trump just because it’s what you think you’re expected to do. If any other leader of one of the other major counties of the world introduced tariffs in the way Trump has they’d be labelled mad, but, because of who it is, people just shrug their shoulders and mutter “it’s just Trump being Trump”.
    Yes but he can do it because of how strong americas economy is.

    The jeopardy is lower for him than others

  14. #10489

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Yes but he can do it because of how strong americas economy is.

    The jeopardy is lower for him than others
    I'm not sure about that.

    For everyone else, they have one country with extra tariffs, albeit a major one.

    For the US, it's everyone they trade with. They aren't going to start manufacturing enough for themselves over night. I'd say jeopardy and risk is far higher for the US than others.

  15. #10490

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Well I guess we are about to find out.

    One likely scenario though is that it actually leads to a rather rapid reduction in tariffs given he cites those on US goods as justification for the changes.

    I think it's a power play more than anything
    It looks like a list of countries, with a basic formula for allocating a tariff amount. I say that as one of the countries is an island inhabited by penguins. I'm not sure much planning has gone into this.

    A likely scenario is that it will all get abandoned soon, Trump will spin it as being the strong man, the global alpha who everyone is afraid of, and two or three posters on here will lap it up.

  16. #10491

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Yes but he can do it because of how strong americas economy is.

    The jeopardy is lower for him than others
    No, it was under Biden that America has had the strong economy - well, stronger than the one they've had in the past three months anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I wonder would he have taken that tone with a man?
    On Trump, he couldnt care less what effect any decision has as long as the world is talking about him.

  19. #10494

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    Anyone notice the apt frame crop on Victoria Derbyshire?

    That Gorka is a right tool. Horrible man.

  20. #10495

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    I wonder would he have taken that tone with a man?
    On Trump, he couldnt care less what effect any decision has as long as the world is talking about him.
    He would! This is also only the latest Incarnation. He's interviewed on Newsnight by Victoria Derbyshire quite often. Always the same tone

  21. #10496

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    James, you don’t have to come and hear and try and defend Trump just because it’s what you think you’re expected to do. If any other leader of one of the other major counties of the world introduced tariffs in the way Trump has they’d be labelled mad, but, because of who it is, people just shrug their shoulders and mutter “it’s just Trump being Trump”.
    I'm not sure that's a defence Bob.


    It is true, we are about to find out.

    It is true that these tariffs will be a starting point with many countries negotiating to bring them down.

    I also do think it's a power play to flex American muscles in the global manufacturing/goods market. And it's political as much as anything Lewis Goodall said as much on Newsnight as well.

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    Make parity great again?

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    How stupid does Brexit look now in a trade war world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    How stupid does Brexit look now in a trade war world?
    Phenomenally stupid, and that's even before we consider the political implications of a disunited Europe within the new world order.

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