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jon1959
I don't remember having to do that on an ESTA. We went to the USA twice in the past 15 months (so only the one ESTA as they last 2 years i think) but sure there was no section for social media accounts. I certainly didn't record any.
However both times there was a lot of tension at immigration with some people (based on nationality or racial profiling) taken from the desk for 'interviews'. Various news stories were prominent at the saying social media posts might be searched on entry.
Nothing happened to us - both respectable older UK citizens - but my phone had fewer apps on than normal!
I can assure you that it is included in the Esta application at present as I returned on Friday after merely changing planes in Miami.
It is supposedly an optional section to complete but the fact that it is included does raise some concerns in the present climate in the US.
By the way, due to the staffing problems at the airport caused by you know what, there were very long queues of people unable to have their passports checked and to clear security in time for them to catch their flight's. I made mine by the skin of my teeth but hundreds around me where not so fortunate.
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He really doesn't want those Epstein files released does he, turning on his own now https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2865925.html
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delmbox
Whose side are you on?
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Taunton Blue Genie
I can assure you that it is included in the Esta application at present as I returned on Friday after merely changing planes in Miami.
It is supposedly an optional section to complete but the fact that it is included does raise some concerns in the present climate in the US.
By the way, due to the staffing problems at the airport caused by you know what, there were very long queues of people unable to have their passports checked and to clear security in time for them to catch their flight's. I made mine by the skin of my teeth but hundreds around me where not so fortunate.
In September last year we landed in New York JFK with about 4.5 hours to connect to a flight to Washington. The queues to clear Immigration (Passport Control) were unreal. Made worse by having to watch a 2 minute video by Kristi Noem on a continual loop on every screen in the airport. We made the flight with 7 minutes to spare! That was our first trip to the USA. We went again in May this year connecting at Atlanta for Charlestown. Again longish queues but nothing like as bad as the first time. Both times I was 'missing' a few apps on my phone!
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Wales-Bales
Whose side are you on?
Whichever side gets the Epstein files released
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The ideal scenario for me is that the vote to release gets passed by Congress (which I think it will), and then gets passed by the Senate (possibly), and then it sits on Trump's desk for his sign off. Will he or won't he?
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Will be very interesting to see what's in these files. Both parties at some point have dithered about the releases and then called for them. I suspect there will be something for everyone in them, politically. And that's all they want. They all just want to make political capital out of it.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
It's 5D chess innit, he's got the Dems demanding the release of the files!
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Again longish queues but nothing like as bad as the first time. Both times I was 'missing' a few apps on my phone!
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear! :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear! :biggrin:
Loads to hide Gluey. Your boy Donald is not a fan of people demonstrating against genocide, and not a fan of people who despise him. In Don World that is grounds for serious trouble. I wanted a holiday not serious trouble, so just a bit to fear.
I probably won't be going back to the USA - at least not whilst it continues its' present journey from the latest iteration of imperial oligarchy, through outright authoritarianism, towards the end game of fascism with Donald using ICE and the National Guard as his personal stormtroopers. There have been elements of that in the past, but along with attacks on the media and judiciary it seems to be speeding up!
I have seen what I really wanted to see, so a return anytime soon is not worth the stress and the queues! :thumbup:
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When it comes to those files it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum the people in them are on, they all deserve to be exposed and should be punished accordingly. That's seems to be something most people agree on across the divide
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delmbox
When it comes to those files it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum the people in them are on, they all deserve to be exposed and should be punished accordingly. That's seems to be something most people agree on across the divide
Exactly.
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Trump's urging his Republican buddies to vote to release the files now! What's going on? An interesting game.
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Dorcus
Trump's urging his Republican buddies to vote to release the files now! What's going on? An interesting game.
He was going to lose (vote and political capital) on release of the files so he is trying to get in front of the story by leading the retreat (TACO) and pretend this is always what he wanted. Damage limitation!
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jon1959
He was going to lose (vote and political capital) on release of the files so he is trying to get in front of the story by leading the retreat (TACO) and pretend this is always what he wanted. Damage limitation!
If there's any more damaging revelations to come has he (or more likely his crisis team) decided it's just about feasible to deflect as "fake news"? Maybe they've decided there's no smoking gun! It'll be interesting to watch developments.
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jon1959
Loads to hide Gluey. Your boy Donald is not a fan of people demonstrating against genocide, and not a fan of people who despise him. In Don World that is grounds for serious trouble. I wanted a holiday not serious trouble, so just a bit to fear.
I probably won't be going back to the USA - at least not whilst it continues its' present journey from the latest iteration of imperial oligarchy, through outright authoritarianism, towards the end game of fascism with Donald using ICE and the National Guard as his personal stormtroopers. There have been elements of that in the past, but along with attacks on the media and judiciary it seems to be speeding up!
I have seen what I really wanted to see, so a return anytime soon is not worth the stress and the queues! :thumbup:
In that case you can put the BBC app back on your phone now.
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Wales-Bales
In that case you can put the BBC app back on your phone now.
It's boomerang time tomorrow isn't it?, everyone is going to get what they wanted aren't they? or maybe not. Let's see if anyone votes no to the release.
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jon1959
He was going to lose (vote and political capital) on release of the files so he is trying to get in front of the story by leading the retreat (TACO) and pretend this is always what he wanted. Damage limitation!
:thumbup:
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Bill passes 427-1, let's the redactions begin!!! GOP rep Clay Higgins says no !!!
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Heathblue
Bill passes 427-1, let's the redactions begin!!! GOP rep Clay Higgins says no !!!
Almost as big a win as Wales.
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Heathblue
Bill passes 427-1, let's the redactions begin!!! GOP rep Clay Higgins says no !!!
Latest scores:
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People do have to question themselves as to why he gets under their skin regardless of his character flaws.
To me GW Bush was then a horrific president and a huge Warhawk to boot.
I couldn’t stand him and to see people forget about him and bash Trump, just boils my brain.
This is not a defense of Trump or his misgivings by the way, just a comparison of what to me was a proper idiot with his strings being pulled by the likes of Chaney, Romsfeld and whoever else from Halliburton.
It’s now forgotten, it’s like it didn’t exist because it was slightly before the cultures wars.
I honestly believe that Trump is a much more benign president of The US than probably Bush and certainly Bush Jr but people have just lost their minds in The Trump persona.
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Wash DC Blue
People do have to question themselves as to why he gets under their skin regardless of his character flaws.
To me GW Bush was then a horrific president and a huge Warhawk to boot.
I couldn’t stand him and to see people forget about him and bash Trump, just boils my brain.
This is not a defense of Trump or his misgivings by the way, just a comparison of what to me was a proper idiot with his strings being pulled by the likes of Chaney, Romsfeld and whoever else from Halliburton.
It’s now forgotten, it’s like it didn’t exist because it was slightly before the cultures wars.
I honestly believe that Trump is a much more benign president of The US than probably Bush and certainly Bush Jr but people have just lost their minds in The Trump persona.
I think it is mainly just because Trump is there now - on our screens, bullying the world and spewing his every waking thought over social media (which was not available to Bush, Clinton, Bush Jnr etc).
The record of Neo-Con war criminals who previously occupied the White House may well be fading in some memories. I almost started a thread on Dick Chaney when he checked out a couple of weeks ago - wish I had now. It would have been a chance to discuss the points you raised and maybe play 'Bad, Worse, Worst' with recent US presidents.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...a-war-criminal
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Originally Posted by
Wash DC Blue
People do have to question themselves as to why he gets under their skin regardless of his character flaws.
To me GW Bush was then a horrific president and a huge Warhawk to boot.
I couldn’t stand him and to see people forget about him and bash Trump, just boils my brain.
This is not a defense of Trump or his misgivings by the way, just a comparison of what to me was a proper idiot with his strings being pulled by the likes of Chaney, Romsfeld and whoever else from Halliburton.
It’s now forgotten, it’s like it didn’t exist because it was slightly before the cultures wars.
I honestly believe that Trump is a much more benign president of The US than probably Bush and certainly Bush Jr but people have just lost their minds in The Trump persona.
The common theme is that all the bad ones are Republicans. That fact alone should raise an alarm
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Originally Posted by
Wash DC Blue
People do have to question themselves as to why he gets under their skin regardless of his character flaws.
To me GW Bush was then a horrific president and a huge Warhawk to boot.
I couldn’t stand him and to see people forget about him and bash Trump, just boils my brain.
This is not a defense of Trump or his misgivings by the way, just a comparison of what to me was a proper idiot with his strings being pulled by the likes of Chaney, Romsfeld and whoever else from Halliburton.
It’s now forgotten, it’s like it didn’t exist because it was slightly before the cultures wars.
I honestly believe that Trump is a much more benign president of The US than probably Bush and certainly Bush Jr but people have just lost their minds in The Trump persona.
How do you think Trump would have reacted if he had been President when 9/11 happened?
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the other bob wilson
How do you think Trump would have reacted if he had been President when 9/11 happened?
He would have been in the bunker faster than Dubya!
Then declared war on Albania and released plans for a Trump golf course on the site of the Twin Towers?
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the other bob wilson
How do you think Trump would have reacted if he had been President when 9/11 happened?
I am surprised that he hasn’t said…that wouldn’t have happened on my watch.
I think the Afghanistan thing would have been similar.
Saudi relations would have been tense.
Iraq still wouldn’t have been invaded.
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Dorcus
The common theme is that all the bad ones are Republicans. That fact alone should raise an alarm
Only a common theme if you let your confirmation bias run riot!
Trump is Trump, we've said enough about him. But Biden was widely criticised and ultimately disliked. Accused of touching women inappropriately and funded a war in the middle east. Obama was a pretty respectable politician and a fine statesman, but made a lot of mistakes in 8 years. Wars in the middle east, mass deportations. Basically the same stuff Trump did but he gets away with it, probably cos he is fine statesman.
Bush Jnr - as discussed. Widely criticised, but wasn't universally disliked and broadly respected on the economy I believe. Couldn't win after 9/11 I guess, but Iraq wholly a mistake. I don't see how he couldn't take down the Taliban though.
Clinton. Democrat. Probably the greatest abuse of power in recent political history, getting a blow job from an intern in the oval office. Seems to have been cosier with Epstein and other wrong uns.
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JamesWales
Only a common theme if you let your confirmation bias run riot!
Trump is Trump, we've said enough about him. But Biden was widely criticised and ultimately disliked. Accused of touching women inappropriately and funded a war in the middle east. Obama was a pretty respectable politician and a fine statesman, but made a lot of mistakes in 8 years. Wars in the middle east, mass deportations. Basically the same stuff Trump did but he gets away with it, probably cos he is fine statesman.
Bush Jnr - as discussed. Widely criticised, but wasn't universally disliked and broadly respected on the economy I believe. Couldn't win after 9/11 I guess, but Iraq wholly a mistake. I don't see how he couldn't take down the Taliban though.
Clinton. Democrat. Probably the greatest abuse of power in recent political history, getting a blow job from an intern in the oval office. Seems to have been cosier with Epstein and other wrong uns.
Clinton and Obama both exuded charm and were both quite liked/respected globally.
I liked them both.
I honestly couldn’t care less about the Lewinsky thing although it wouldn’t slightly surprise me if he was active on Epstein's Island, neither would I be surprised if Trump had a similar appearance rate there.
I think that Ocham’s Razor suggests that it was all a schmoozy elite entrapment project.
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JamesWales
Only a common theme if you let your confirmation bias run riot!
Trump is Trump, we've said enough about him. But Biden was widely criticised and ultimately disliked. Accused of touching women inappropriately and funded a war in the middle east. Obama was a pretty respectable politician and a fine statesman, but made a lot of mistakes in 8 years. Wars in the middle east, mass deportations. Basically the same stuff Trump did but he gets away with it, probably cos he is fine statesman.
Bush Jnr - as discussed. Widely criticised, but wasn't universally disliked and broadly respected on the economy I believe. Couldn't win after 9/11 I guess, but Iraq wholly a mistake. I don't see how he couldn't take down the Taliban though.
Clinton. Democrat. Probably the greatest abuse of power in recent political history, getting a blow job from an intern in the oval office. Seems to have been cosier with Epstein and other wrong uns.
I think this just confirms your own personal bias, as if the World and his wife didn't know it to death
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Dorcus
I think this just confirms your own personal bias, as if the World and his wife didn't know it to death
Critiquing both parties? What bias is that?
If you think only Republicans have been baddies and that Democrats goodies then I assure you, that's your bias at play!
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JamesWales
The usual suspects got played again :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:,
Elon calls Trump a Pedo with a YUGE fall out, usual suspects who had no interest in wanting Epstein's files released when
the Big Guy had 4 years to do so and released next to squat documents, Bondi has been flip flopping and generally talking bollox about the files making the usual suspects scream even louder, OMB says aye go on then, Epstein exposed as a democrat donor BIGLY, Epstein logged as texting a Democrat during a hearing, Epstein exposed as a OMB hater due to OMB had him locked up initially and getting him arrested the 1st time years ago, Blow Job Bill and Hillary brought back into the game, how many times did Bill travel on the lolita express to his island? Opinion only!!, some of the CCMB over the cliff edge lefties are going to be very dissapointed that some of their favorite players will not turn out to be who and what they thought they were!!, after the kayfabe, Trump and Elon have a little kiss and a cuddle. MTG Kayfabe or organic fall out?, don't know if she was being used by OMB to accelerate the calls for release of the files or if its a genuine breakdown. OMB gave the release order to usurp the democrat tactic of selective one x one release with BBC style editing over the next three years. Their leaking play is now fked, let's see who carries on about the files or if some of the players go mute, let the resignations begin!
We have it all "Q"
BOOMERANG
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Originally Posted by
Heathblue
The usual suspects got played again :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:,
Elon calls Trump a Pedo with a YUGE fall out, usual suspects who had no interest in wanting Epstein's files released when
the Big Guy had 4 years to do so and released next to squat documents, Bondi has been flip flopping and generally talking bollox about the files making the usual suspects scream even louder, OMB says aye go on then, Epstein exposed as a democrat donor BIGLY, Epstein logged as texting a Democrat during a hearing, Epstein exposed as a OMB hater due to OMB had him locked up initially and getting him arrested the 1st time years ago, Blow Job Bill and Hillary brought back into the game, how many times did Bill travel on the lolita express to his island? Opinion only!!, some of the CCMB over the cliff edge lefties are going to be very dissapointed that some of their favorite players will not turn out to be who and what they thought they were!!, after the kayfabe, Trump and Elon have a little kiss and a cuddle. MTG Kayfabe or organic fall out?, don't know if she was being used by OMB to accelerate the calls for release of the files or if its a genuine breakdown. OMB gave the release order to usurp the democrat tactic of selective one x one release with BBC style editing over the next three years. Their leaking play is now fked, let's see who carries on about the files or if some of the players go mute, let the resignations begin!
We have it all "Q"
BOOMERANG
And breathe...... :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
And breathe...... :hehe:
It is instructive that the posters who spent years spreading baseless innuendo about Pizzagate under the guise of sympathy for the victims come up with kind of tin eared baloney.
Let's be clear, the files in question were effectively sealed whilst Maxwell's trial and appeal were in progress which ended in July this year. Before that we had the charade of Trump stumping on their release, only for Bondi and Patel to state there was nothing to see in the documents and effectively closing the file.
Trump similtaneously calls everything a hoax but has directed Bondi to investigate the hoax files for Democrat sins. She in turn has appointed an investigator presumably meaning that those hoax files will be sealed until the investigation is concluded.
At every turn until outflanked Trump and his minnions in the administration and Congress have fought tooth and nail to thwart their release. Presumably to protect the very Democrats now under investigation in the hoax files.
Most sensible people want full transparency of what is held and all the perpetrators, Republican, Democrat, rich or poor, ex-Royal are brought to justice. The relatively minor punishment of Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, Peter Mandleson and Larry Sumners is a small first step. Let's hope that those ultimately identified are brought to account.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
It is instructive that the posters who spent years spreading baseless innuendo about Pizzagate under the guise of sympathy for the victims come up with kind of tin eared baloney.
Let's be clear, the files in question were effectively sealed whilst Maxwell's trial and appeal were in progress which ended in July this year. Before that we had the charade of Trump stumping on their release, only for Bondi and Patel to state there was nothing to see in the documents and effectively closing the file.
Trump similtaneously calls everything a hoax but has directed Bondi to investigate the hoax files for Democrat sins. She in turn has appointed an investigator presumably meaning that those hoax files will be sealed until the investigation is concluded.
At every turn until outflanked Trump and his minnions in the administration and Congress have fought tooth and nail to thwart their release. Presumably to protect the very Democrats now under investigation in the hoax files.
Most sensible people want full transparency of what is held and all the perpetrators, Republican, Democrat, rich or poor, ex-Royal are brought to justice. The relatively minor punishment of Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, Peter Mandleson and Larry Sumners is a small first step. Let's hope that those ultimately identified are brought to account.
You think Pizzagate is done?
I'll retract in 7 years time if not confirmed and if I get there!!!
you have been played like a fiddle AGAIN
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Heathblue
You think Pizzagate is done?
I'll retract in 7 years time if not confirmed and if I get there!!!
you have been played like a fiddle AGAIN
The Russia collusion delusionists are an interesting species that need to be studied more closely if we want to advance life on earth.
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Originally Posted by
Heathblue
The usual suspects got played again :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:,
Elon calls Trump a Pedo with a YUGE fall out, usual suspects who had no interest in wanting Epstein's files released when
the Big Guy had 4 years to do so and released next to squat documents, Bondi has been flip flopping and generally talking bollox about the files making the usual suspects scream even louder, OMB says aye go on then, Epstein exposed as a democrat donor BIGLY, Epstein logged as texting a Democrat during a hearing, Epstein exposed as a OMB hater due to OMB had him locked up initially and getting him arrested the 1st time years ago, Blow Job Bill and Hillary brought back into the game, how many times did Bill travel on the lolita express to his island? Opinion only!!, some of the CCMB over the cliff edge lefties are going to be very dissapointed that some of their favorite players will not turn out to be who and what they thought they were!!, after the kayfabe, Trump and Elon have a little kiss and a cuddle. MTG Kayfabe or organic fall out?, don't know if she was being used by OMB to accelerate the calls for release of the files or if its a genuine breakdown. OMB gave the release order to usurp the democrat tactic of selective one x one release with BBC style editing over the next three years. Their leaking play is now fked, let's see who carries on about the files or if some of the players go mute, let the resignations begin!
We have it all "Q"
BOOMERANG
imagine your grandad doing stuff like this on this internet :hehe: :hehe:
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Wales-Bales
The Russia collusion delusionists are an interesting species that need to be studied more closely if we want to advance life on earth.
An illuminating viewpoint from our MAGA reporter down a rabbit hole! Another escapee from Watership Down?
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(Just for clarity, are the 'Russia Collusion delusionists' the ones who continue to parrot Trump's talking points, or those fine people who exposed the lies and contortions? Asking for a friend.)
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