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Re: "I'm convinced that death is not the end for us whatever happens after that"
So dinosaurs were walking around England in the late 15th century?
The gift that keeps on giving! :hehe: :hehe:
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jon1959
So dinosaurs were walking around England in the late 15th century?
The gift that keeps on giving! :hehe: :hehe:
Well worked out with the maths, what a shame for you your only lens on the world didn't publish until 1821.
While your rag did report on the 1824 discovery, they obviously didn't cover the Carlisle Cathedral story so as usual you have no answer to what you obviously believe is an impossibility!
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truthpaste
Well worked out with the maths, what a shame for you your only lens on the world didn't publish until 1821.
While your rag did report on the
1824 discovery, they obviously didn't cover the Carlisle Cathedral story so as usual you have no answer to what you obviously believe is an impossibility!
And giving!
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Re: "I'm convinced that death is not the end for us whatever happens after that"
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jon1959
And giving!
I'm praying you'll get answers to the big questions soon Jon, and it won't continue to be a complete blank for you.
In the meantime I can see you are busy putting the world (that you can see) right as best you can, and mocking anyone who even suggests there is anything beyond the scope of the average broadsheet.
Enjoy your weekend.
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stevo
With respect, I think the rest of this board (apart from Gofer Blue) would agree with me in saying alien involvement in ancient civilizations is a much more likely explanation than angel or demonic involvement.
Angels are by definition heavenly beings and thus could be classified as aliens anyway, hence rendering your proposition null and void. Whether they were involved in building pyramids or whatever I have no idea, in fact I have no interest whatsoever! It is irrelevant to my Christian faith.
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Same goes for dinosaurs. I care not whether they were around 500 years ago or were extinct by then. How does their existence influence Christianity i.e. faith in Jesus Christ? If you disagree please find me a reference in the Bible.
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Gofer Blue
Same goes for dinosaurs. I care not whether they were around 500 years ago or were extinct by then. How does their existence influence Christianity i.e. faith in Jesus Christ? If you disagree please find me a reference in the Bible.
It doesn’t. But a lot of Christians believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old. That’s what I’m challenging by asking where dinosaurs fit into that theory.
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Gofer Blue
Angels are by definition heavenly beings and thus could be classified as aliens anyway, hence rendering your proposition null and void. Whether they were involved in building pyramids or whatever I have no idea, in fact I have no interest whatsoever! It is irrelevant to my Christian faith.
Do you only have interests that are relevant to your faith? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t be following the city. But if people think humans built the pyramids and the artifacts from that time, then they are laughably wrong. I’m bringing it to the conversation because I think it backs up my theories more than Christianity.
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stevo
It doesn’t. But a lot of Christians believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old. That’s what I’m challenging by asking where dinosaurs fit into that theory.
It doesn't matter to me if the Earth is 6000 years old or 4.5 billion years old or when the dinosaurs died out as neither has any influence on my Christian belief. Try arguing these topics with an orphaned child in Gaza or a mother who has been raped by rebel soldiers in front of her children in Sudan or a Ukranian wife who has just been widowed, I'm sure they would really concerned about such matters.
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stevo
Do you only have interests that are relevant to your faith? Of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t be following the city. But if people think humans built the pyramids and the artifacts from that time, then they are laughably wrong. I’m bringing it to the conversation because I think it backs up my theories more than Christianity.
You are trying to connect some of the things that interest YOU to my faith. Of course I have other interests such as following the City, family history research etc. but these have no relevance to, or conflict with, my Christian faith. I read some of Von Daniken's stuff many years ago (1970's?) and some of it was quite intriguing I admit but hardly makes a speck on my radar today. What difference does such knowledge make to today, when the world is in the proverbial handcart to hell.
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Jeez, what’s got you in a tizz today? You come across very angry. I’m just trying to have a grown up conversation with Truthpaste and you come in all guns blazing. Hope you have a better day tomorrow.
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stevo
Jeez, what’s got you in a tizz today? You come across very angry. I’m just trying to have a grown up conversation with Truthpaste and you come in all guns blazing. Hope you have a better day tomorrow.
I'm not angry, just tired of all these diversions which to me are irrelevant to Christianity or indeed the world situation today. I'll leave you in TP's capable hands (I admire his tenacity!) and hopefully you'll get some answers there. If you have questions relating specifically to my personal Christian faith i.e. the person of Jesus, his life, his teachings, his death and resurrection of course I'll try to answer them, but as far as dinosaurs and pyramids are concerned, in those famous words from Dragons' Den, I'm out.
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stevo
I’m bringing it to the conversation because I think it backs up my theories more than Christianity.
Given that these videos say a lot of random things which may or may not be connected to your theories, would you be kind enough to summarize your theories into a few bullet points so I can see what you are thinking? Many thanks.
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So you know where I am; which is the testimony of God in the Bible then here it is:-
1. We are each Spirit, Soul & Body.
2. The Spirit & Soul cannot be destroyed or cease to exist, they are eternal.
3. This body obviously will return to the earth and only serves a purpose for our brief 'moment' in time.
4. We all have a bigger problem than physical death, and that is the plight of our soul.
5. Securing eternal safety for our soul can only be via God's rescue Plan and becoming religious, moral or 'good' will fail.
6. God has a plan for YOUR Life, don't wait until it's too late to find out what that plan is!
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"One man who was clinically dead; then brought back to life accurately described what had been happening in the room"
Science can't explain the three minutes of awareness beyond the brain shutting down in this and many other cases:
Speaking to The Telegraph about the evidence provided by a 57-year-old social worker Southampton, Dr Parnia said: “We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating.
“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes.
“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.
“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”
The INDEPENDENT
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truthpaste
"One man who was clinically dead; then brought back to life accurately described what had been happening in the room"
Science can't explain the three minutes of awareness beyond the brain shutting down in this and many other cases:
Speaking to The Telegraph about the evidence provided by a 57-year-old social worker Southampton, Dr Parnia said: “We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating.
“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes.
“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.
“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”
The
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I find it hugely tiresome when people make statements such as 'science can't explain' something.
Science is about knowledge and there are many scientific phenomena to be discovered yet.
Science is not a religious and immovable dogma despite many religious people trying to paint it as such.
Some scientists guess things wrongly, good scientists doubt their own findings, some may even be fraudulent - but all reputable scientists as far as I know declare that their knowledge is imperfect and there is always far more to be found out and to change their minds.
It is the antithesis of religion.
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Taunton Blue Genie
I find it hugely tiresome when people make statements such as 'science can't explain' something.
Science is about knowledge and there are many scientific phenomena to be discovered yet.
Science is not a religious and immovable dogma despite many religious people trying to paint it as such.
Some scientists guess things wrongly, good scientists doubt their own findings, some may even be fraudulent - but all reputable scientists as far as I know declare that their knowledge is imperfect and there is always far more to be found out and to change their minds.
It is the antithesis of religion.
If only scientific announcements came with the clarity and honesty you describe, if they did then way less people here (and elsewhere) would be convinced about things such as macro evolution.
Yet if we were to take your usual word 'religion' (which is full of futile man-made ideas similar to many parts of science) out of the mix and replace it with The Bible, then what you suggest re it being the antithesis of the Bible is a nonsense.
Oceanography for example was only discovered because Matthew Fontaine Maury first *read about the 'pathways of the sea' in the Bible!
So while you may wish the Bible to be an irrelevant book that doesn't have anything significant to say to mankind, the reality is certainly very different.
* At one time, when Commodore Maury was very sick, he asked one of his daughters to get the Bible and read to him. She chose Psalm 8, the eighth verse of which speaks of “whatsoever walketh through the paths of the sea.” He repeated, “The paths of the sea, the paths of the sea. If God says the paths of the sea, they are there, and if I ever get out of this bed I will find them.”
When Maury recovered, he set out to discover the “paths of the sea.” As well, he was inspired by Ecclesiastic 1:6:
The wind blows to the south and goes around to the north; around and around goes the wind, and on its circuits the wind returns.
He concluded that in certain places, the wind might blow predominantly from one direction which would be a significant advantage for sailing ships if they knew it.
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Taunton Blue Genie
I find it hugely tiresome when people make statements such as 'science can't explain' something.
Science is about knowledge and there are many scientific phenomena to be discovered yet.
Science is not a religious and immovable dogma despite many religious people trying to paint it as such.
Some scientists guess things wrongly, good scientists doubt their own findings, some may even be fraudulent - but all reputable scientists as far as I know declare that their knowledge is imperfect and there is always far more to be found out and to change their minds.
It is the antithesis of religion.
As a scientist myself I agree with you especially the sentences in red but what more information can we find out about Jesus Christ that might enable me to change my mind? He is not a repeatable scientific experiment!
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Gofer Blue
As a scientist myself I agree with you especially the sentences in red but what more information can we find out about Jesus Christ that might enable me to change my mind? He is not a repeatable scientific experiment!
I think that the boot is on the other foot in that the majority of the population of the world do not consider there to be sufficient evidence to believe in your particular deity. And those that do assign a totally different role to that of Jesus.
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Gofer Blue
As a scientist myself I agree with you especially the sentences in red but what more information can we find out about Jesus Christ that might enable me to change my mind? He is not a repeatable scientific experiment!
Why do you think that only a minority of scientists believe in Christianity?
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The CIA concluded decades ago that consciousness and the human body are two separate things. This document from 1983 (declassified in 2003) is a highly-recommended read. These findings can be backed up by our current understanding of quantum physics.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs...00210016-5.pdf
This in part answers Truthpaste's question above regarding "my" theories and the video link I posted.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Why do you think that only a minority of scientists believe in Christianity?
Christians don't believe in Christianity, they have a relationship with Christ Jesus and completely trust in Him.
I can believe in marriage and stay single all my life, think about what you are saying.
As for scientists, yes a minority of them know and love the Lord as Gofer and I do, what is your point?
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truthpaste
Christians don't believe in Christianity, they have a relationship with Christ Jesus and completely trust in Him.
I can believe in marriage and stay single all my life, think about what you are saying.
As for scientists, yes a minority of them know and love the Lord as Gofer and I do, what is your point?
My questions were for Gofer not you.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Why do you think that only a minority of scientists believe in Christianity?
How do you define a minority in this context? There are so many stats available on the Internet I find it impossible to find a consensus.
IMO I suspect only a very small minority of the whole U.K. population believe in Jesus Christ but again impossible to quantify exactly. I wouldn't expect the majority to do so as in these times where truth is optional following Jesus is far too great a challenge – best to ignore him and do your own thing.
I think I've read that around 5% of the population attend churches regularly and if only half of those actually believe in Jesus (i.e. “true” Christians with all that that entails) then that's 2.5% of the population, a very small minority indeed*
Hence it should not be surprising if only a similarly small minority of scientists believe in Jesus. That does not make them wrong of course – it's perfectly possible that the other 97.5% are wrong! Also I do wonder if some scientists have a faith but are loath to express it out of fear that their status in the scientific community would be diminished if the bulk of their peers are atheists and only too ready to resort to ridicule? (Although I suspect this would not be the case for Muslim scientists of course!).
The usual popular answer of course is that scientists (and Sludge Factory) possess superior intelligence which therefore precludes them from matters of faith. Try that argument with Prof. John Lennox, professor of mathematics!
You surely know my stance by now and I am only replying to you out of courtesy as you asked me the question directly. I have been faithful in sharing my faith with you and others but, as even Jesus said, there comes a time to say take it or leave it, shake the dust off your shoes, and move on!
*Interestingly stats are usually based on info from the Church of England, a denomination which is shrinking fast in terms of numbers whereas the newer, shall we say “free churches” such as the one I attend, are increasing in membership numbers. I believe this is due to going back to the basics of Christianity and not compromising by adopting the latest social trends.
