Is that because he isnt capable of sorting out a decent cup run?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
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Is that because he isnt capable of sorting out a decent cup run?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tandy
I think results wise he has done much better than I thought he would, genuinely thought we'd be relegation threatened this season. However, everyone has to admit that the Championship has been very poor this season, a few games have occurred that we could have lost in better seasons. I would also like to know how many points we have dropped from winning positions this year?
Does anyone know why we're still not playing an out and out striker? I know we're winning games but we aren't getting all the goals from Immers and Pilkington and we don't seem to have an outlet that can hold up the ball, awaiting help from midfield.
All our strikers are out on loan :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sellers
During Slade's time here Pompey have been debt free and (until the last match) have probably had more season ticket holders and a bigger gate than us. They've also spent the entire time in their traditional colours. Of course there are numerous reasons we have to be more positive than there fans but we shouldn't think ending up like Pompey would be the worst thing in the world.....who was the team where (if my memory serves) the owner put the club into even more debt building a stadium that they could never fill, built it failing safety guidelines so couldn't use part of it and then got relegated to the conference? It's not Doncaster but a similar bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Has Slade done a good job? Yes, if he leaves at the end of this season history will be very kind and he's recently shown he might be deserving of longer. Can we also critique him fairly? Yes.
i) He spent his whole career (about 20 years) watching players like Ashley Williams, Rickie Lambert and Jamie Vardy and the only one he has seen potential in is Doyle.
ii) Any manager that flukes the answer to their problems (such as Pilkington in front of Immers or Coquelin at Arsenal) deserves more criticism for not coming up with a proper solution than credit for finding it
iii) How many of us could see something wrong with Whitts in a middle two and Kenwynne* up front and yet it could took three windows to rectify?
iv) You have to be 22/23 to get a player on his bench as a "youth" player.
*We would have been much closer to relegation without Kenwyne's goals but a) he didn't score for two months and b) ninianboy's assertion that he was a premier league player is laughable. Stoke fans sang "he score goals Odemwingie, he scores goals up front, he scores goals Odemwingie and we swapped him for a useless @!&+$" and Odemwingie was hardly a superstar.
What did he say?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Ninianboy is someone I usually agree with in regard to where Welsh football is concerned but not over this.
Slade has spent peanuts compared to the likes of Derby and Middlesbrough.
He is now working under a transfer embargo. From a distance it seems to me that he has not really been backed by the supporters.
I even recall one poster on here wanting a swap with the dreadful Steve Clarke weeks before the useless Scot got the boot at my club.
In the circs Slade has done a bloody good job and deserves a lot of credit. You are currently two points behind a team that spent millions in the transfer market.I would love to see my club two points off the play offs with everything to play for. This season is one of the most successful in the post war history of Cardiff City. He should be backed to the hilt by the supporters.
👏👏👏👏👏 spot on, our fans have short memories. Seem to think we should be a premier league team by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
You cannot be serious, attending home matches became a chore. I found myself dropping off in a couple of matches. For the 1st time ever in one match I left my seat at 30 minutes and stood in the concourse for 10 minutes debating whether to continue watching or go home. I stayed but not for the quality of football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
The football has improved over the last 6 or 7 home matches and I am once again getting excited about match days again.
Not sure I'd regard playing the odd cup game as giving youth a chance Bob.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Don't get me wrong I would like to see some of our young players given a chance,but I don't see a vast gulf between Slade and the other three.
Someone asked the name of the the club who had a stadium built they could never fill , and a load of other dodgy stuff.
I think it was fella called George Reynolds at Darlington ?
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
You generalise everyone who would rather see Slade replaced as people who think we have a divine right to be in the premier league.
Every argument you have made today has deviated from your original argument and gone off on a different course.
TOBW and myself have both clearly spelled out the concerns we have over Slade's management yet you choose to ignore our statements and presume that we are only against Slade cos he's not a big enough name or cos we think we should be running away with the league.
Neither accusations are true as far as I am concerned and I think it's fickle that people can change their minds from singing " Russell, do the ayatollah" to "sacked in the morning" in the space of 30 minutes.
I am consistent in my views of Slade. I think the football we were playing this time last year was appalling. I can't believe I witnessed us taking rugby style kick offs where three players stood on the right wing and the ball was lofted up I the air towards them.
The football has improved volumes since Trollope has replaced Kevin Nicholson but I do believe that Slade showed his limitations back then.
I 100% believe that if we hadn't sold all our forwards we'd still be playing a rigid 4-4-2.
Malky had a fairly poor record for giving youth players a chance after his first season (returning to giving more criticism than praise for moves which were completely unplanned, Declan John's inclusion was because Malky had stuck with/been loyal to a left-back who was always going to be killed once they worked out he didn't have any pace let alone sought a decent reserve rather than wanting Declan to get games) however a) Nugent was not a "never going to make it" b) in his first year (the year many are comparing this season to) the squad was a mix of youth and experience and c) I couldn't ever have imagined any of the others signing Tamas when we had youth defenders desperate for a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
As Bob has stated to say, none of the others were given the luxury that Slade has been given where fans already disliked him but were desperate for youth to be given a chance, management wanted to rebuild bridges with the fans and there was no real danger of going up or down. Slade had two months of it at the end of the last season and maybe even up until a few weeks ago when we finally looked at making a legitimate push for 6th place.
Thank you! Pompey are still alive and kicking but Darlington moved to a new 25,000 stadium in 2003 which was immediately* restricted to 10,000 and a major factor in them going into administration, built by someone later arrested for money laundering, relegated from conference premier in 2011-2012 and dissolved at the end of that. Pompey had the fans who were willing to save the club whereas Darlington had a much smaller fan-base and City tried it's best to push fans willing to give up their time to save a club away.Quote:
Originally Posted by random in Berks
*it's a more tragic story if it was immediately restricted and I am 80-90% sure that's accurate.
I agree. We have lost only 9 league games this season only 3 teams have lost less. We have scored 51 goals only 6 teams have scored more. Slade has spent basically no money and reduced the squad to 24 from about 40. He has done a great job this season imoQuote:
Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN
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Originally Posted by surge
I agree. I think it would have been huge if he introduced one or two youngsters at the end of last season or in the fa cup this year.
Out of interest, of the 10 academy players that Jones and mackay gave debuts to, how many of each have gone on to have a decent career?
You can believe that, I think it's rubbish and conjecture which you've dreamt.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
We were awful when slade came in but it was a dire situation. We've got better and better as the months have gone on.
Anyone saying the football we are playing at the moment must have thought the same under Malky because it's much more exciting than that.
That's not the point though mate. We may as well never ever give anyone a chance then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I firmly believe that unless you give youngsters a chance you'll never know if their ready.
We all know kids who we thought were excellent who were never able to step up to the next level whereas average kids who seemed to step up seamlessly.
I don't believe Ryan Mason would have made an impact at many places like he did at Tottenham.
I believe Pochettino breeds belief in these youngsters enabling them to thrive.
I'm not for a minute saying we should have 11 academy players next season but I would like to see us aiming to at least bring 2 or 3 through in the next 2 to 3 years.
I have seen players like Abbruzzese, Coxe, Humphries, Patten, Tutonda, Matondo, Spence and I think players like this should be given opportunities.
What is this idea of us having a very good squad actually based on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinny Pete
Here comes Dumbo again and nothing has changed because we still aren't in the top six despite all your bollux support for Slade.Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
Why do you think we have a Devine right to be top 6?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueWales
We haven't spent the top 6 transfers fees, we don't have a top 6 wage bill and the club has been in disarray due to the rebrand and Ole's **** ups. You are either deluded or just too stubborn with your dislike of slade.
If slade wasn't a bald old man people would be singing his praises non stop.
Slade and the club made no secret of that being the expectation, the plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
When judging Slade's performance and ability to take us forward we need to remember that he inherited a lot of very decent players who are either premiership or top six championship quality; Marshall, Manga, Whittingham, Kenwynne Jones
It gets covered in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by surge
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...Play-Off-place
Off the top of my head, I'd say with Dave Jones - Gunter, Blake (despite all of the self inflicted damage), Ramsey and Matthews, while players such as Joe Jacobson and Aaron Wildig have had what I would call decent careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
With Malky Mackay, Joe Ralls for sure and I'd say Deji, Declan John and Tommy O'Sullivan could end up having decent careers, but they'll probably have to leave Cardiff with the current manager in charge to do so - Ben Nugent can still have a decent career as well.
Well it's certainly giving youth more of a chance than it's got so far under this manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Tandy says we've only played three cup games under Russell Slade's management - he's wrong, we've played five and in none of them have we seen anything like the sort of selections we got used to seeing from Dave Jones and Malky Mackay in comparable matches.
Also, Ledley, Jerome, Gunter, Blake, Ramsey, Matthews, Ralls and John did or have done far more than just play "the odd cup game" for City.
So in all that time we have produced One player of premier league quality and 3 good enough for the championship currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
This is not where they were when burst into the team it's not they have had that experience. there are probably some good players in the academy problem is there are lots of good players who won't make it in the game.
The whole youth debate seems a bit irrelevant if these players were better than what we have they would be in the team.
I like Slade and the fact we are even in with a chance of the play offs show he has done a good job.
Please explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Replacing Slade would be madness.
Sure I get pissed off when we lose or play poorly etc but look at the big picture and the job he's done.
He has worked miracles. Complete miracles. Barely spent any money, got rid of a lot of the high earners, been hit with a transfer embargo and we sit 2 points outside the playoff zone with 7 games to go.
It's all to play for and Slade deserves every credit for getting us to that point.
We even play with no strikers and get results. Still can't believe there hasn't been a song made up about that (beating teams and scoring goals with no strikers).
I think those that are applauding Russ are forgetting the quality of players he inherited. A decent manager would have got us promoted automatically with that squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spooky Tree
I meant by that, that we were a decent side when we got promoted, and then splashed out big money on a new spine of the team, and in doing so lost a degree of what had put us there in the first place. Then when it was all going wrong we compounded the error by buying more and more inappropriate players while we continued to drop down the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
To me if we went up (which I don't for a second think we will) then the manager will have been a huge part of that, and replacing him would be a huge mistake, like the one we made last time. We would need to build on the foundation we have, not hurriedly try to do something different.
Slade is far from perfect, but if he got us promoted I think it would be very foolish to replace him.
I agree ,also look at the dross Slade has signed when given a transfer kitty I'll take strikers as example : Revell,Doyle, Saadi(injury prone so hard to judge) and Ameobi (if you count him as a striker ) all nowhere near good enough for top level championship. So by the time the next transfer window comes and it's time to imrove the squad (we will have to regardless which league we are in) then is Slade the man to do this ? IMO NOQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
This thread is really funny :hehe:. I gave my opinion quite early on in it while saying that I didn't want to go over old ground again regarding Russell Slade's attitude to youth development.Quote:
Originally Posted by mazadona10
I only got involved again when someone made the ludicrous claim, in my view at least, that Russell Slade "has done about as much with the youth team as the last 4 managers before him did". I showed that all of our previous four managers did something that our current one has not yet (given a debut to an Academy player in a league, or League/FA Cup game) and then had to face arguments that the twenty seven examples of this happening when Messrs Lawrence, Jones, Mackay and Solskjaer were in charge that I provided were somehow on a par with the none under Russell Slade because the club was desperate when they picked them, some of these players were later loaned out, some of them had ginger hair, some of them once drove through Swansea and so on :hehe::hehe:.
Now it seems that Slade is right because we have only produced one Aaron Ramsey and a few players that I wouldn't mind having back here at all (Gunter, Ledley, Jerome and Matthews) since we were given Academy status and so, having only raised the subject to try and correct a claim which I believed to be completely wrong, I'm now having to try and explain why we don't have a youth system which rivals Southampton's!
Can I ask all of those rushing to defend a manager who I rate the worst I've seen at Cardiff, when it comes to youth development at least, what you think the point of a youth system is and also under what circumstances would you be prepared to give a locally produced 18 year old a taste of first team football because, reading some of the comments in this thread, it seems that there'll always be some excuse or another as to why it shouldn't happen under this manager.
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Everything Slade has done since he joined the club you have criticised whether it be transfers, tactics, formations, substitutions, boring football, not watching the Academy, this list is endless. Now that he has turned most things around and got us within touching distance you still want to find faults with the bloke.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Let me ask you a question... if you were Slade what first team member would you replace with an Academy player?
For 3 years I've been hearing how great our squad is but 2 managers later we've had to ship most of it out for free. We massively overrated the squad that got relegated imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
You don't even know the story of King Canute.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueWales
King Canute had a group of courtiers who were always flattering him and saying how great he was ( like you and Russell Slade , in fact ).
They said he could even stop the tide coming in.
Canute knew this was bollux but went ahead with it to teach the courtiers a lesson about flattering him.
When Canute got wet his courtiers were severely punished for spouting such nonsense.
So Canute wasn't so dumb after all. Unlike the sycophantic courtiers , like you Chepstow.
You've quoted yourself you flid
Almost all of the available managers with the experience you seek are available because they have been sacked, which indicates that their level of experience did them no good at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by darran1927
How can anyone expect Slade to Have Premier League experience if he is not given the opportunity to practice his trade/craft in the Premier League?
I think he`s done a good job and deserves a crack next year what ever league we are in.(I doubt we will go up)
The long and short of it to the majority of fans is the result of the game.
Many clubs in disarray continue the downward spiral , he stopped that and turned it around.
I`m willing to say I wanted him gone, but under what seems like continued pressure from a part of our fan base that thinks we are some huge club that deserves another go in the greedy league, he has delivered stability and now progress.