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We gotta get promoted first before hell freezes over you know :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
We gonna make Carrrdiff great again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ring_Peace
Build the wall! Build the wall!
We gonna win so much you gonna get tired of winning!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vimana.
Clinton ahead in the popular vote.
NPR reports:
As of 7.20 am ET, Clinton had amassed 59,059,121 votes nationally, to Trump’s 58,935,231 — a margin of 123,890 that puts Clinton on track to become the fifth U.S. presidential candidate to win the popular vote but lose the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...6-live-reactio
Lots of people being very dramatic, both in the states and over here, after Brexit and presidential votes.
The people of both countries have spoken, and democracy has enabled both results to happen.
In today's world we have famine,poverty, and wars breaking out all over the planet, as well as the threat of terrorism.
Just as we always have.
Same old, same old. You'd be better off worrying if Warnock can keep us up rather than getting bogged down with politics.
I think that the idea that if something or someone one is voted for democratically, then it automatically makes it the right decision, is a bit of a flawed theory. Wars, famine, poverty are all end products of the bad democratic decisions we have taken throughout history - and we continue to make the same mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
The one chink of light I can see in Trump's is the start of the rejection of the established method of democracy and politics that has allowed this kind circle of wars, famine and poverty to perpetuate.
It's a bonkers system. Clinton could end up winning more individual votes than Trump, but because he won the states with the largest number of electoral college votes, he wins.
It's a funny way to define democracy.
Had it been the other way around I'm sure it would have been fine though. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Not with Trump it wouldn't have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
Herself asked me how their electoral system worked last night - I had to look it up. It's mad.
If only one single person turned up to vote in Florida, and their vote would effectively be worth more than a couple of million in another state.
No matter which way the result goes, that's bonkers.
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
Clintons speech feed. Starts in 15 mins apparently.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/watch-hilla...-trump-1590712
I agree that it sounds a bit mad but it has presumably been the same for everyone else who has been elected in the past? people have been happy with previous results so I guess they are used to it like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Thanks, Obarmer.
Well done Donald.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
I guess it's no more or less mad than our system to be fair
The Democrats are centrists...Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFC_Urawa_Reds
Trump may or may not be a good president, his victory speech is the most calm and respectable he's looked. In the very least he has a far easier ride to surprising people in a positive fashion than he does in a negative way.
However, Trump's campaign was negative, misinforming, lacking in policy (the policy there was was scary - deny climate change and repeal Obamacare) and often reduced his "movement" to three or four word slogans which didn't really mean anything.
The best thing Hilary did was release a video which showed all the clips of Trump's racist, homophobic, sexist, ignorant and crass comments with the tagline "our children are watching". Sadly, it's not just American children watching but also hundred's of other political minds who see that you can run such a campaign and still be rewarded with victory. We already have "dead cat" Crosby with a Queen's honour and now Trump with the biggest job in the Western world.
It's not just the next four years which could be very scary (again, he may surprise us all) but the countless campaigns further down the road which will borrow from Crosby and Trump and be rewarded is a terrifying prospect.
Politicians! Are there any out there that you could all agree was a good solid incorrupt competent leader.
i doubt it
I don't get all the post-election hysteria. Lots of people seem to think Trump will now be some kind of out-of-control dictator loon. Old orange face still has to work within the framework of government of which he has no experience and not many allies. I doubt he’ll do very much beyond discretely lining his own pockets. Apologies if WW3 breaks out within the next few weeks but I don't foresee a Trump-inspired global meltdown any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Machiavelli had a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike downtownabbey
If his first order of business isnt signing off on the Purge then I'll be disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabalphaville
Congratulations president trump. Would have got my vote if I was from the u.s. he seems very keen on the uk, so that can only be Good for us. Also reigning in Russia with better relations, can also only be a good thing.
Brexit win
Trump win
Hillary gets a kicking from the electorate
Cameron kicked out
This is a GOOD year!
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Was that genuinely in response to my post or using my post to make a general point? My point was about how Trump campaigned and won anyway (which could have scary impact on the world) regardless of what he'll do as president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabalphaville
Unless it is a truly dodgy system it seems unlikely a leader could be elected on 75% of the vote let alone 95% plus. However, there is a difference between the way Trump has campaigned and the policies he has announced as key (climate change being a myth etc.) and most political leaders when they are on the opposite side of the spectrum to an individual.Quote:
Politicians! Are there any out there that you could all agree was a good solid incorrupt competent leader.
you wouldnt need to be Black, it makes no difference the political elite ( that was ) do not care what colour your skin is in the USQuote:
Originally Posted by Kitman
Do you think Trump cares about the poorest paid and the unemployed? He has barely been a sterling advocate of increasing the minimum wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I posted that when he won the primaries he would win it
he was making the right sounds
let look it from a poor out of work American who is struggling to put food on the table, his town was built up around a steel mill that shut down a few years back, he has nothing, the system for the last 5 - 10 years has left him behind and he doesnt matter ( thanks to Obamacare he will not die soon ), not this American has nothing to lose with a swerve ball away from the current system
Now lets look at the Carpenter from this said same town ( this is based on a person i know online ) he works 45 hours a week for reduced money, afterall this once working town has very little money now as the Steel Mill shut down and in the past would have been comfortable, his family would be doing good, now Obamacare has made his health insurance premiums rise dramatically, he is looking over his shoulder at the bloke above thinking, I am not far away from that guy, he is worried, he has seen the recession come and it hasnt left him yet, he is still feeling the pinch despite the news telling him the county is back on its feet and doing well, what the hell has this guy got to lose with a change, nothing
what have these 2 guys got to lose with Trump, it could all go wrong, but its crap for them now, they feel it cannot get any worse
no i dont, but they have nothing to lose anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Le Pen next.
Watch this space, the French have had enough too. People are finally waking up.
I just realised, today is 9/11
I hope Labour politicians have learnt from the US election and the EU Referendum. They need to match the aggression of right wing politicians at hustings. They are too soft and have to be much nastier.
I'd like to think that Globalist politicians of the future remember to include everyone because at some point, those left in the gutter get their chance to say enough is enough, a non Brexit campaigned was championed by the rich, Clinton represented the American Capitalists, I never thought that Thump would get it, do you think that Hillary wasn't nasty? she basically stole the democratic nomination from Sanders, I'm sure Sanders would have mullered Thump. but the nasty family and their greed took over (but they didn't)!!! and it's left the world with a so called property developer basically in charge of it!!.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Uh "what a nasty woman"? Clinton gave as good as she got in that respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
The traditional left don't need to be nastier they need to stop taking their core working class vote for granted. Hilary ignored Wisconsin and Michigan, states that had voted Dem since the 80s. She barely visited them and then had the gall to post about the "blue wall" around the great lakes propelling her to victory.
This is not a recent trend, remember the North elected two BNP MEPs in 2009, the alarm bells for labour should have been ringing then. Instead they stuck their heads further in the sand and told people that immigration is a wonderful thing to be celebrate. The Jocks deserted Labour and now they are dead in Scotland, same will occur in Wales and the North I am sure. Brexit and Trump is not a recent trend, working class people left behind by globalisation are turning to alternatives.
Fair pay that final line of your post is handsome and put a smile on my face. I wanted Bernie to beat Hilary but I don't think she stole the nomination from him. I'm not convinced she is authentic but do not see her as anywhere near as evil as Trump who is a serious piece of work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
The Democrats lost this election rather than Trump win it. Clinton was 6 million votes down on Obama's performance in 2012. There has been no surge to the right.
I don't think she did give anywhere near as much back. Your point about the working class being left behind is an interesting one. Are they? Clinton won more of the popular vote than Trump amongst the poorest. Trump won more of the popular vote than Clinton amongst the most affluent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
I think the white male blue collar vote was strongly fuelled and anti immigration. So globalisation has played a part.
Sky news reporter in America to a woman who voted for trump.
Why did you vote for him?
I like his policies
What are those policies?
I don't know.
I've read what i think, are some decent articles from Leanne Wood on Thump today, she's made it quite plain over the previous weeks of her dislike for him but has written today acknowledging that the people are no longer willing to be ignored and I think she is 100% right, i think its a fight back against the establishment for the majority, politicians need to grasp this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
The lying Bully Corbyn and that evil dyke racist slag side kick of his you mean? There is no one more nastier than that pairQuote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
The American Nation has spoken. When the forgotten get a voice don't be surprised with their message.
Just like Brexit there is a world outside the cosmopolitan major cities. The smaller less glamourous states who have never had a voice till now, right or wrong they have now been heard and the message is change for good or bad we are yet to see.
Power to the people.