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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Yes, that is why we call it an opinion. Their opinion might be slightly different, if you looked at everyone's opinion it would be a spectrum of different positions.
It might make them a 'crap humanitarian', but you labelled them humanitarian to make a point. I have never heard anyone refer to themselves as a 'humanitarian' in passing. They are entitled to their opinion as are you but it is dangerous to group everyone who opposes or encourages something into one specific school of thought.
Their opinion in this regard may indeed be slightly different, but I still wouldn't give it the time of day.
And I've never heard anyone refer to themselves as 'humanitarian' either, but that was the word I chose just to make my point. It's their attempt at proving themselves to be "caring" and "kind" whereas (in my opinion :thumbup:) they fall short.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
So you’ve never set foot in a church but you’re an expert in the teachings of Islam?
As a Muslim, I would say Croesy knows more about Islam than you
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
Tokyo Blue
Their opinion in this regard may indeed be slightly different, but I still wouldn't give it the time of day.
And I've never heard anyone refer to themselves as 'humanitarian' either, but that was the word I chose just to make my point. It's their attempt at proving themselves to be "caring" and "kind" whereas (in my opinion :thumbup:) they fall short.
I don't pretend to know their hidden motives but I find it hilarious that you next to perfectly summarised their behaviour in a different way in one of your first posts of the thread.
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The reason people go crazier if it happens closer to home is because it's not only more newsworthy to them but also because it's not expected to happen around here.
These 'fake humanitarians' you dislike so much are very similar to the people you were looking to stand up for earlier. They become aware of something (because it become's newsworthy here when the UK decide to intervene) and they talk about it - you justify it for one group but not for another. You are being just as inconsistent as the people you criticise.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I don't pretend to know their hidden motives but I find it hilarious that you next to perfectly summarised their behaviour in a different way in one of your first posts of the thread.
These 'fake humanitarians' you dislike so much are very similar to the people you were looking to stand up for earlier. They become aware of something (because it become's newsworthy here when the UK decide to intervene) and they talk about it. You are being just as inconsistent as the people you criticise.
Read my comments again. I wasn't standing up for them whatsoever. I was providing a reason for why they change their FB profile pic to a flag or whatever and why the media doesn't report on every single terrorist attack, but not at any stage did I defend them for doing so. I am passionately against the idea for the very reasons I stated above.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
TH63
ISIS latest caper has resulted in approx 300 people dead.
Burst into a mosque, set off a bomb, then shot at people trying to escape, including incoming ambulances.
Absolutely shocking.
Strangely though, I’m not seeing #jesuisegypt trending, profile pics changed to the Egyptian flag.
Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson are strangely silent.
Why is that I’m wondering?
Does this explode the myth , this radicalism is down to invading of western countries
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Terrible news, but will we lose any sleep over this ? I don't think so
that must make me sound like a
horrible spineless piece of shitte
but an honest horrible spineless piece of shitte
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
Tokyo Blue
Read my comments again. I wasn't standing up for them whatsoever. I was providing a reason for why they change their FB profile pic to a flag or whatever and why the media doesn't report on every single terrorist attack, but not at any stage did I defend them for doing so. I am passionately against the idea for the very reasons I stated above.
Your attitude and tone was different whilst the circumstances were, broadly speaking, the same.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The people most affected by these terrorists are those in Iraq, Egypt , Syria , Afghanistan , Pakistan etc
These evil people know no boundaries
The likes of Katie Hopkins are , as you say , very silent
It says it all
Katie Hopkins would be more upset if the Sons of Glydwr set fire to an empty holiday cottage.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Your attitude and tone was different whilst the circumstances were, broadly speaking, the same.
Sorry, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean, probably because it's late, I've had a few beers, I'm half asleep and about to go to bed. Anyway, have a good weekend.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Bore off. Give us all an early Xmas present and have one day off. As if I was going to post all the cities..."London Paris new York" is fashionable init brah.
I won’t, if you don’t mind, buttercup.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
elytillidie
Katie Hopkins would be more upset if the Sons of Glydwr set fire to an empty holiday cottage.
Leather faced old rotter
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
As a Muslim, I would say Croesy knows more about Islam than you
Genuine questions adz, I understand that the victims of this attack were followers of a particular denomination of Islam that ISIS brand as “heretics”, is that true?
Even so, surely a mosque is sacred to them?
I can, almost, understand their albeit twisted ideology to kill non-believers, but these victims WERE believers surely?
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
As a Muslim, I would say Croesy knows more about Islam than you
ADZ is this true yes or no ?
surah an-nisa (4-34) when reading the quran because it says "hey guys! you can beat your wives when they disobey you. it is ok."
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Its all very sad as the Islam faith and the Muslim faith has good virtues, and in a lot of cases their faith sets better standards than some of our own behaviours and better respects others.
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Tokyo Blue
Sorry, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean, probably because it's late, I've had a few beers, I'm half asleep and about to go to bed. Anyway, have a good weekend.
You too!
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
TH63
Genuine questions adz, I understand that the victims of this attack were followers of a particular denomination of Islam that ISIS brand as “heretics”, is that true?
Even so, surely a mosque is sacred to them?
I can, almost, understand their albeit twisted ideology to kill non-believers, but these victims WERE believers surely?
Well Sufis are persecuted but the Qur'an says that Muslims should not divide themselves.
A mosque is sacred
IMHO, they are believers as a Muslim is someone who believes in Allah and that Hadrat Muhammad was his prophet
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I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS
ADZ is this true yes or no ?
surah an-nisa (4-34) when reading the quran because it says "hey guys! you can beat your wives when they disobey you. it is ok."
With the Qur'an, I would take the English translations with a pinch of salt. I have English copies and they all say different things. The "strike" part varies on the translation but it is worth noting that Prophet Muhammad never hit women and discouraged domestic violence a lot.
I would say no violence, especially domestic violence is okay and there are several mainstream scholars who condemn domestic abuse
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
TH63
ISIS latest caper has resulted in approx 300 people dead.
Burst into a mosque, set off a bomb, then shot at people trying to escape, including incoming ambulances.
Absolutely shocking.
Strangely though, I’m not seeing #jesuisegypt trending, profile pics changed to the Egyptian flag.
Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson are strangely silent.
Why is that I’m wondering?
Should have seen the queues outside the tattoo shops this evening getting pyramid tattoos.
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
With the Qur'an, I would take the English translations with a pinch of salt. I have English copies and they all say different things. The "strike" part varies on the translation but it is worth noting that Prophet Muhammad never hit women and discouraged domestic violence a lot.
I would say no violence, especially domestic violence is okay and there are several mainstream scholars who condemn domestic abuse
so its all about interpretation then mate?
and Muhammad never hit women ?
but as an adult he married a CHILD ?
I'm guessing its
1.YES
2.NO
3.YES
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
With the Qur'an, I would take the English translations with a pinch of salt. I have English copies and they all say different things. The "strike" part varies on the translation but it is worth noting that Prophet Muhammad never hit women and discouraged domestic violence a lot.
I would say no violence, especially domestic violence is okay and there are several mainstream scholars who condemn domestic abuse
Oh wow, that's great....several scholars? Great.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
You dont agree with religion, you’re not religious at all, you’ve never set foot in a church, yet you’ve studied religion 😂😂😂
Pull the other one Lily
It's an interesting topic, with loads of interesting books on the subject and a huge part of human history. I don't agree with believing in it but it's very interesting to study.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Croesy Blue
It's an interesting topic, with loads of interesting books on the subject and a huge part of human history. I don't agree with believing in it but it's very interesting to study.
With a Bonus that You can be Offended for them.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
With the Qur'an, I would take the English translations with a pinch of salt. I have English copies and they all say different things. The "strike" part varies on the translation but it is worth noting that Prophet Muhammad never hit women and discouraged domestic violence a lot.
I would say no violence, especially domestic violence is okay and there are several mainstream scholars who condemn domestic abuse
There's a lot of disgusting stuff in the Quran but it doesn't mean every single word is followed by every Muslim.
I thinka a lot of the teachings to do with women are disgusting. But most Muslims I know are like most Christians I know and are just moderate.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Croesy Blue
There's a lot of disgusting stuff in the Quran but it doesn't mean every single word is followed by every Muslim.
I thinka a lot of the teachings to do with women are disgusting. But most Muslims I know are like most Christians I know and are just moderate.
True, in modern times you cannot expect someone to follow each and every thing.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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adz-a32
True, in modern times you cannot expect someone to follow each and every thing.
They did not work in not so modern times either.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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adz-a32
True, in modern times you cannot expect someone to follow each and every thing.
Adz, ever heard of Maajid Nawaz? If so, what's your take on him?
For those who don't know him, he's a reformed extremist and a now Muslim reformer. Definitely worth checking out.
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
Vimto
Oh wow, that's great....several scholars? Great.
Do not disturb them while they are condemning it though or you will get kicked on the floor.
"Few feminists dare criticise Islam. To see why, look at the ones who do"
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/0...their-bravery/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMnFwvemTUc&t=52s
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Mrs Steve R
WTF did I just watch some blokes stick the boot in on some women on the floor just then
that's disgusting
never mind feminists I think what I just read and watched would repulse most people
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Re: Latest terrorist outrage
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
As a Muslim, I would say Croesy knows more about Islam than you
Erm, ok, seeing as I have absolutely no interest in Islam, or any other religion, as I don’t believe in all this god bollocks, and am not claiming to know anything about it, what point are you trying today make exactly?!?!?
He said the attack wasn’t based on religion but it was. When evidence was shown he then denied saying it in the first place, which was bizarre as his post is still on the first page.
