Rainbow Laces

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Sludge in a trying to show a modern, liberal attitude towards homosexuals, whilst being stuck in the dark ages with his attitude towards women.

I can see the double standards too.

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You do realise it's all a big fecking piss take out of myself don't you ?

You are not that dumb are you ?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I agree I haven't exactly been easy to get on with today..bit of an awkward bastard in reality..but your a decent poster I wouldn't go out of my way to disagree for the sake of it.
Agree to disagree it will have to be.
I like salad, garlic, bbq and cheese on my chicken shish..cheese goes surprisingly well if they don't lumo it on.

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I like a touch of cheese on my doner

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You do realise it's all a big fecking piss take out of myself don't you ?

You are not that dumb are you ?

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Yes, of course I know it’s a pisstake, but I’m sure some people, especially women, who don’t share your sense of humour would find it offensive.

And im also pretty sure those chanting “We can see you holding hands” think it’s a pisstake too.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Yes, of course I know it’s a pisstake, but I’m sure some people, especially women, who don’t share your sense of humour would find it offensive.

And im also pretty sure those chanting “We can see you holding hands” think it’s a pisstake too.

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That's not the feedback I have had

Weird to see the snowflakes getting outraged about this. It raises awareness of homophobia and that football is inclusive of all people. There are no negative connotations of it at all.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Weird to see the snowflakes getting outraged about this. It raises awareness of homophobia and that football is inclusive of all people. There are no negative connotations of it at all.

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Who’s getting outraged?

My view is that homophobia is wrong, but making a big deal about being gay just plays into the bigots’ hands.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Oh Christ , more insecurity

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Definitely not 'insecurity ' pal. Try 'irritated'.

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Originally Posted by TH63

Who’s getting outraged?

My view is that homophobia is wrong, but making a big deal about being gay just plays into the bigots’ hands.

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I thought the same until I saw the reason for gay pride etc. There is still huge discrimination and violence against gay people and it's used as a way of combating that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride

People are moaning about it, when I moan about something it's painted as outrage. I don't understand why anyone would have a negative opinion of something that's just showing solidarity and being inclusive of a group that faces discrimination.

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Originally Posted by jackrabbit

Definitely not 'insecurity ' pal. Try 'irritated'.

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Why? What negative affect does it have on you?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I thought the same until I saw the reason for gay pride etc. There is still huge discrimination and violence against gay people and it's used as a way of combating that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride

People are moaning about it, when I moan about something it's painted as outrage. I don't understand why anyone would have a negative opinion of something that's just showing solidarity and being inclusive of a group that faces discrimination.

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I just think it’s counter productive.
In my view, if you want to show solidarity towards a gay friend, colleague or acquaintance, wouldn’t it be better to just treat them exactly the same as all your other non-gay friends, colleagues and acquaintances?

Why do we need “gay bars”? Why can’t we just have bars, where everyone just coexists side by side?

Surely if you have a gay bar (for example) aren’t you just setting yourself apart from the rest of society and putting a big target on your back?

It has absolutely zero impact on me, my concern is the potential negative impact on the gay community themselves, and I am still to see any sane reason why sexuality needs to be “celebrated”

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Why? What negative affect does it have on you?

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Why you outraged?

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Originally Posted by TH63

I just think it’s counter productive.
In my view, if you want to show solidarity towards a gay friend, colleague or acquaintance, wouldn’t it be better to just treat them exactly the same as all your other non-gay friends, colleagues and acquaintances?

Why do we need “gay bars”? Why can’t we just have bars, where everyone just coexists side by side?

Surely if you have a gay bar (for example) aren’t you just setting yourself apart from the rest of society and putting a big target on your back?

It has absolutely zero impact on me, my concern is the potential negative impact on the gay community themselves, and I am still to see any sane reason why sexuality needs to be “celebrated”

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The need for it to be celebrated is getting less and less and if everyone had an attitude like yours there would be zero need for it.

Have a look at the replies on twitter to any club mentioning the rainbow laces and you'll see why it's still needed.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Why you outraged?

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It's quite appropriate that you talk like a caveman.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Weird to see the snowflakes getting outraged about this. It raises awareness of homophobia and that football is inclusive of all people. There are no negative connotations of it at all.

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Here she is.
Offended because No-One is actually outraged.

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Originally Posted by James fox

Here she is.
Offended because No-One is actually outraged.

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Have you not realised yet I never respond to you because I think you're too thick to converse with?

I enjoy the discussion with JR Hartley and TH even if I don't always agree with them. You are just shite.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It's quite appropriate that you talk like a caveman.

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Why? How is my attitude towards gay people caveman like then?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Why? How is my attitude towards gay people caveman like then?

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It was a joke because you'd missed the 'are' out precious 😘

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It was a joke because you'd missed the 'are' out precious 😘

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I'm not offended I've asked a question...
No I didn't miss a word, as I type as I speak, so didn't miss anything out.
I get it sounds cavemen like..but your post suggests a bit more than a joke about a missing word.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I'm not offended I've asked a question...
No I didn't miss a word, as I type as I speak, so didn't miss anything out.
I get it sounds cavemen like..but your post suggests a bit more than a joke about a missing word.

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Calm down the outrage pal it's only words

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Calm down the outrage pal it's only words

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Saying it doesn't make it true, Lily.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The need for it to be celebrated is getting less and less and if everyone had an attitude like yours there would be zero need for it.

Have a look at the replies on twitter to any club mentioning the rainbow laces and you'll see why it's still needed.

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So they don't stop homophobia then?

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

So they don't stop homophobia then?

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No one is saying they are going to immediately stop homophobia though. Just as the kick it out campaign hasn't immediately stopped racism.

It helps highlight the problem though and will help reduce it just as racism as reduced massively at football in the last 25 years.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

No one is saying they are going to immediately stop homophobia though. Just as the kick it out campaign hasn't immediately stopped racism.

It helps highlight the problem though and will help reduce it just as racism as reduced massively at football in the last 25 years.

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Will make it happen less frequently, won't come close to completely stopping it.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Will make it happen less frequently, won't come close to completely stopping it.

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Less frequently is good isn't it?

You're always going to have racists and bigots but it will stop the casual homophobia from people who probably don't realise that it's that bad just as it did with racism in football.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Less frequently is good isn't it?

You're always going to have racists and bigots but it will stop the casual homophobia from people who probably don't realise that it's that bad just as it did with racism in football.

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1 time less is better, so yes.

The worst thing you can say about rainbow laces is you think they don't work, which is a fair enough opinion.

I fail to see what else you can have against them.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The worst thing you can say about rainbow laces is you think they don't work, which is a fair enough opinion.

I fail to see what else you can have against them.

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Has no bearing on my life. Pointless moaning about it.

My opinion is there is no need to make a fuss, but when people do it doesn't bother me one bit. They can crack on.

Fair enough my opinion is it does a good job of making football more inclusive and helps raise awareness of homophobia and the negatives around it.

It's made us debate it on here so if it gets people talking then it's doing its job.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Fair enough my opinion is it does a good job of making football more inclusive and helps raise awareness of homophobia and the negatives around it.

It's made us debate it on here so if it gets people talking then it's doing its job.

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Awareness is a big thing I agree.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

No one is saying they are going to immediately stop homophobia though. Just as the kick it out campaign hasn't immediately stopped racism.

It helps highlight the problem though and will help reduce it just as racism as reduced massively at football in the last 25 years.

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I don't have a problem with it, I'm just trying to understand how it helps, I'm of the opinion that if we are constantly pointing out peoples differences those differences will always be in peoples minds, I know I don't need reminding of it because I really don't care what other people do, it's nothing to do with me, I'd prefer a 'Mind your own business' campaign, that could just about cover everyone and everything. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by TH63

I just think it’s counter productive.
In my view, if you want to show solidarity towards a gay friend, colleague or acquaintance, wouldn’t it be better to just treat them exactly the same as all your other non-gay friends, colleagues and acquaintances?

Why do we need “gay bars”? Why can’t we just have bars, where everyone just coexists side by side?

Surely if you have a gay bar (for example) aren’t you just setting yourself apart from the rest of society and putting a big target on your back?

It has absolutely zero impact on me, my concern is the potential negative impact on the gay community themselves, and I am still to see any sane reason why sexuality needs to be “celebrated”

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in a nut shell :thumbup:
I have to agree with you on your first point mate , :thumbup:
your 2nd point well we needed gay clubs , because the djs were the bollocks (pardon the pun) back in the day and
a hell of a lot better than the "straight clubs" :music:
and your point about sexuality well I think that's a personal thing

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Originally Posted by TH63

I just think it’s counter productive.
In my view, if you want to show solidarity towards a gay friend, colleague or acquaintance, wouldn’t it be better to just treat them exactly the same as all your other non-gay friends, colleagues and acquaintances?

Why do we need “gay bars”? Why can’t we just have bars, where everyone just coexists side by side?

Surely if you have a gay bar (for example) aren’t you just setting yourself apart from the rest of society and putting a big target on your back?

It has absolutely zero impact on me, my concern is the potential negative impact on the gay community themselves, and I am still to see any sane reason why sexuality needs to be “celebrated”

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Gay bars are different to rainbow laces. We have them as there is commercial demand. It would be a wonderful world if everyone just coexists side by side but, newsflash, the world doesn't work that way. We have gay bars because seeing two men kissing in a club drives some people, not all people not a majority of people and probably less people than in years past, to violence.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Gay bars are different to rainbow laces. We have them as there is commercial demand. It would be a wonderful world if everyone just coexists side by side but, newsflash, the world doesn't work that way. We have gay bars because seeing two men kissing in a club drives some people, not all people not a majority of people and probably less people than in years past, to violence.

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I see your point, but isn’t that a bit like segregation?

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Originally Posted by TH63

I see your point, but isn’t that a bit like segregation?

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Of course it's not, segregation is something that's enforced.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Of course it's not, segregation is something that's enforced.

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Not always

Can you not choose to segregate yourself from others ? ?


From dictionary.com
the act or practice of segregating; a setting apart or separation of people or things from others or from the main body or group

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Not always

Can you not choose to segregate yourself from others ? ?


From dictionary.com
the act or practice of segregating; a setting apart or separation of people or things from others or from the main body or group

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Gay bars don't exclude straight people. And if they did, they would follow through on their rules, i.e. enforce them.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Gay bars don't exclude straight people. And if they did, they would follow through on their rules, i.e. enforce them.

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No

But Gays go into Gay bars and " segregate " themselves from others

I know full well the reason they do, I have gay friends and I mentioned above a incident outsides Minskies, but it always struck me they " took themselves away to be with like minded people "

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Originally Posted by blue matt

No

But Gays go into Gay bars and " segregate " themselves from others

I know full well the reason they do, I have gay friends and I mentioned above a incident outsides Minskies, but it always struck me they " took themselves away to be with like minded people "

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And Cardiff City fans segregate themselves from Swansea City fans by going to the CCS every other week instead of the Liberty, to also be with like minded people.

But the word segregation has unsavoury connotations, and that's how I took it that TH63 meant it. Maybe he didn't. I think of racial segregation or away fan segregation, where some authority says "you, go over there and stay there".

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Originally Posted by lardy

And Cardiff City fans segregate themselves from Swansea City fans by going to the CCS every other week instead of the Liberty, to also be with like minded people.

But the word segregation has unsavoury connotations, and that's how I took it that TH63 meant it. Maybe he didn't. I think of racial segregation or away fan segregation, where some authority says "you, go over there and stay there".

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Indeed, the word often does have unsavoury connotations

I was just pointing out that it is not always " something that's enforced. ", you can choose to segregate yourself

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Indeed, the word often does have unsavoury connotations

I was just pointing out that it is not always " something that's enforced. ", you can choose to segregate yourself

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Ah pointless semantics, the best addition to any discussion !